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[Sebby]

Galactic Runner wrote...

Ha ha ha, this is pretty much Seboist's dream come true:

Illusive Man: Seboist, Cerberus has been keeping an eye on you. Your dedication and perserverance on BSN has represented the very goal that Cerberus has been working towards since its inception. When the Reapers invade the galaxy, I hope to bestow the honor of vice president of Cerberus upon you so that you will lead Cerberus to the bright future that it has secured for humanity. Godspeed, Seboist.

(AND THEN HE WOKE UP...) (Ha ha ha, oh, man, just messing with you, Seboist. No hard feelings.)

I'll settle with being part of TIM's "secret service". I'm already prepared to take a bullet for him if need be. :happy:

[Sebby]

BlueMagitek wrote...

You must have missed the 90+ pages of D.Kain claiming Morinth was the hero. ~_O

And here you go throwing away an asset. Honestly, I never understood the entire "We need to focus on killing Cerberus! They're so evil!" when there are extremely successful genocidal ships of death running about. ~_~

Aliens are held to a lesser standard than humans. That's why Wrex gets a pass for being a ruthless thug mercenary and Zaeed gets hated for being..... a ruthless thug mercenary. It's also the same reason why Cerberus is hated for doing unethical experiments but Clan Urdnot who burn prisoners alive or feed them to varren get a pass.

[VanillaSun]

I'm 100% sure this have been discussed, but as of today, what are the odds of T.I.M. being indoctrinated in ME3?

I've just finished my worst possible playthrough with shep dying and seeing TIM smile if you hand him the collectors base while a huge fleet of reapers advance didnt look too promising.

I love TIM, to me he is one of the best character to date in the series, and i think it would be really cheap if bioware went the route of making him sort of a saren 2.0, he is better than that, he should continue being that grey character with his own agenda, that type of guy which you have to agree on some things but also have to be wary of his other side, but after hearing that hidden conversation with legion about the reapers after the suicide mission and all that salvation through destruction sh*t im begining to worry. Is there any chance of him succumbing to indoctrination or even genuinely believing himself that true salvation will come through becoming one of the reapers? Why do you guys think Cerberus is such a major foe in ME3?

Whatever the outcome is, he can have my collectors base a zillion times, getting resurrected cant be thanked enough

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

My goal is to preserve everyone, remember.

Your goal is to preserve the asari, you've admitted this. You're like a female asari (redundant?) version of TIM.

Only if your belief that monospecies peace is the only kind of peace is true, a belief that I... don't subscribe to, shall we say. What I actually want is far more than that.

[someone else]

...well you know he was exposed to the Reaper artifact in the back story...that's where the eyes come from, I think...

[SandTrout]

Xilizhra wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Your goal is to preserve the asari, you've admitted this. You're like a female asari (redundant?) version of TIM.

Only if your belief that monospecies peace is the only kind of peace is true, a belief that I... don't subscribe to, shall we say. What I actually want is far more than that.

More to the point is that the plan that you endorse would inherently result in mono-species domination by the Asari.

[Xilizhra]

SandTrout wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Your goal is to preserve the asari, you've admitted this. You're like a female asari (redundant?) version of TIM.

Only if your belief that monospecies peace is the only kind of peace is true, a belief that I... don't subscribe to, shall we say. What I actually want is far more than that.

More to the point is that the plan that you endorse would inherently result in mono-species domination by the Asari.

Only in terms of cultural mores. I do admit that asari government wouldn't work as well for other non-krogan species because it relies on the leadership of those who've garnered many centuries of experience, so I'm not completely sure how this would work...

[BlueMagitek]

Actually, TIM managing a "cure" for indoctrination isn't impossible. Shiala was cured by the Thorian (basically), and Cerberus happens to have some bits of the Thorian; we know Exo Geni has some as well and *maybe* the Council if they sent anyone to extract pieces from it.

Cerberus also has studied the Rachni, so there's that. ~_>

[Ieldra]

NitrusRex wrote...
I'm 100% sure this have been discussed, but as of today, what are the odds of T.I.M. being indoctrinated in ME3?

Mac Walters said TIM wasn't an enemy all along and that will be "still very much himself" in ME3. Which, as I see it, rules out full indoctrination. It's quite possible that Reaper artifact he had contact with changed him in more subtle ways, though which form that might have taken, I've no idea. It might have simply given him insights, or it might have changed his vision of future humanity, or made him more willing to sacrifice individuals for the whole, or any other kind of things.

I love TIM, to me he is one of the best character to date in the series, and i think it would be really cheap if bioware went the route of making him sort of a saren 2.0, he is better than that, he should continue being that grey character with his own agenda, that type of guy which you have to agree on some things but also have to be wary of his other side, but after hearing that hidden conversation with legion about the reapers after the suicide mission and all that salvation through destruction sh*t im begining to worry. Is there any chance of him succumbing to indoctrination or even genuinely believing himself that true salvation will come through becoming one of the reapers? Why do you guys think Cerberus is such a major foe in ME3?

I don't think that TIM will become Saren 2.0, and Legion's philosophy of technology is crap anyway. As for Cerberus is an enemy in ME3, no one knows. It's*the* big mystery. TIM working for the Reapers would totally destroy his character, so I don't think it will happen. At the moment, the most plausible speculation is that TIM thinks Shepard is in the process of becoming indoctrinated, in another way under the influence of the Reapers or vulnerable to becoming their puppet - which isn't all that far-fetched considering that he spent two days in Kenson's hands. It might even be true, wouldn't that be a twist? I wonder if Harbinger looking out of Kenson's eyes in Arrival is a hint in that direction.

Whatever the outcome is, he can have my collectors base a zillion times, getting resurrected cant be thanked enough

I also keep the base, but I don't think the decision should be made for such a reason. 

[Xilizhra]

TIM working for the Reapers would totally destroy his character, so I don't think it will happen.

Not if TIM decides that Reaper ascension is the best way to achieve human dominance.

[Ieldra]

Xilizhra wrote...

TIM working for the Reapers would totally destroy his character, so I don't think it will happen.

Not if TIM decides that Reaper ascension is the best way to achieve human dominance.

The thing is, that wouldn't be human dominance any more, but Reaper dominance. Also there are other Reapers as "competitors". It makes no sense.

[Xilizhra]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

TIM working for the Reapers would totally destroy his character, so I don't think it will happen.

Not if TIM decides that Reaper ascension is the best way to achieve human dominance.

The thing is, that wouldn't be human dominance any more, but Reaper dominance. Also there are other Reapers as "competitors". It makes no sense.

I'm not sure if Reapers really compete, as such, and humanity would be fully united and far more powerful than it had been. A nation, independent, free of all weakness. And as a bonus, immortal.

[Ieldra]

One Reaper more powerful than all humanity? I very much doubt it. Also quite a bit more vulnerable - one entity vs. a species distributed over many worlds. I don't buy it.

[Xilizhra]

Well, one thing we can discern from co-op is that Cerberus isn't just attacking Shepard, but will be hitting other areas of the galaxy as well. So it isn't just worries over Shepard being indoctrinated.

[Ashwraith]

Ieldra2 wrote...

[At the moment, the most plausible speculation is that TIM thinks Shepard is in the process of becoming indoctrinated, in another way under the influence of the Reapers or vulnerable to becoming their puppet - which isn't all that far-fetched considering that he spent two days in Kenson's hands. It might even be true, wouldn't that be a twist? I wonder if Harbinger looking out of Kenson's eyes in Arrival is a hint in that direction.

That's... an incredibly creepy thought.

Come to think of it, I always did wonder if the 'cybernetics' Cerberus upgraded you with were Reaper tech, considering how the glowing scars look a bit like Husk implants, only red. Same with the similar patterns on the Illusive Man's and Renegade Shepard's eyes.

Is it bad that a battle-at-the-center-of-the-mind with a Reaper (Harbinger, maybe?), for control of your body, is now something I... actually would really like to see? It would lend a sense of urgency to the game (the longer it takes to stop the Reapers, the greater the likelihood of being taken over becomes); plus it would be an interesting take on the Council's, and Cerberus's, reaction to you.

Maybe you really can't be trusted. Maybe they were right to lock you up.
And maybe -just maybe- Cerberus really does have a cure for indoctrination. From a gameplay perspective, at least, that would be a hell of an incentive to fight through them.

Modifié par Ashwraith, 23 octobre 2011 - 03:53 .

[Xilizhra]

(...I keep getting the feeling there's something wrong with the structure of that last sentence, argblargl)

Maybe it's "Fight through them."

[Ashwraith]

Yep, I think you're right. Fixed.
Some English major I am. XD

[Sebby]

The optimist in me would like to believe Cerberus is defending those assets because they think they'll be vital against the Reapers and Shepard is just hell bent on destroying them.... for some reason. That is until the realist in me kicks in and I remind myself of Hudson saying Cerberus is working for the Reapers and Shepard saying they're indoctrinated(we know that lying is a rarer occurrence than spotting bigfoot in a BW game).

[HogarthHughes 3]

This has probably been brought up some time before, but does anyone know anything about that person handing TIM a datapad at the start of ME2? Probably just a nameless Cerberus goon, but eh curiosity abounds.

[Sebby]

HogarthHughes 3 wrote...

This has probably been brought up some time before, but does anyone know anything about that person handing TIM a datapad at the start of ME2? Probably just a nameless Cerberus goon, but eh curiosity abounds.

There's no hint on who it could be but since she's female I like to imagine that it's Kelly.

[Dave of Canada]

Curious, do you think those who've kept the Cerberus data for themselves in ME2 will have the option presented to them to give the data back once we figure out what it is?

[HogarthHughes 3]

Seboist wrote...

There's no hint on who it could be but since she's female I like to imagine that it's Kelly.

I thought the figure looked rather feminine, couldn't really tell though.  I hope we get to see TIMs secret base in ME3, even if we only go there to kill him.  His office is about 10x as cool as the SB's.

Dave of Canada wrote...

Curious, do you think those who've kept the Cerberus data for themselves in ME2 will have the option presented to them to give the data back once we figure out what it is?

I kinda doubt it, as their reputation will be unimportant if they're really siding with the Reapers.  As I recall it had something to do with Rachni experiments, maybe it could be useful in other ways though?

Modifié par HogarthHughes 3, 23 octobre 2011 - 11:27 .