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Brotherhood of Cerberus - The Illusive Man Discussion/Support Thread
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#251
Posté 13 août 2011 - 05:15
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Here's to hoping they don't ruin my favorite ME character.
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Posté 13 août 2011 - 06:41
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Ashwraith wrote...
Ohlawdy don't even get me started on the train wreck that was that movie. We'll be here all day. >.>
Wheeeeee, tangent!
It's too bad a real Aeon Flux film would likely never get made due to it getting tagged with an NC-17 rating.
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Posté 13 août 2011 - 06:43
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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Here's to hoping they don't ruin my favorite ME character.
Same here, TIM getting character assassinated and more lopsided morality bull**** will render ME3 non-canon right on the spot for me.
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Posté 13 août 2011 - 07:30
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If he is ruined, I am hoping for the option of having my Shepard lead Cerberus or found a similar organization.
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Posté 13 août 2011 - 08:02
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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
If he is ruined, I am hoping for the option of having my Shepard lead Cerberus or found a similar organization.
And having Liara as LI.
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Posté 13 août 2011 - 08:03
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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
If he is ruined, I am hoping for the option of having my Shepard lead Cerberus or found a similar organization.
That wouldn't be a bad alternative but it wouldn't be the same without the boss.
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Posté 13 août 2011 - 08:03
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Chewin3 wrote...
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
If he is ruined, I am hoping for the option of having my Shepard lead Cerberus or found a similar organization.
And having Liara as LI.
Yeah. Shepard as the new leader of Cerberus alongside with Liara being the SB would be one my ideal endings.
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Posté 13 août 2011 - 08:04
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Better yet, killing her and controlling both Cerberus and being the Shadow Broker.
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Posté 13 août 2011 - 08:04
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Lizardviking wrote...
Chewin3 wrote...
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
If he is ruined, I am hoping for the option of having my Shepard lead Cerberus or found a similar organization.
And having Liara as LI.
Yeah. Shepard as the new leader of Cerberus alongside with Liara being the SB would be one my ideal endings.
Too bad she regressed into being another one of Shepard's guns for hire in ME3.
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Posté 13 août 2011 - 08:04
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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Better yet, killing her and controlling both Cerberus and being the Shadow Broker.
I like the way you think.
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Posté 13 août 2011 - 08:06
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Seboist wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
Chewin3 wrote...
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
If he is ruined, I am hoping for the option of having my Shepard lead Cerberus or found a similar organization.
And having Liara as LI.
Yeah. Shepard as the new leader of Cerberus alongside with Liara being the SB would be one my ideal endings.
Too bad she regressed into being another one of Shepard's guns for hire in ME3.
There could be severel reasons for that. One popular theory is that TIM has managed to destroy the SB base by the time we get Liara as squadmember. Wiping out the SB would be an ideal first strike for TIM.
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Posté 13 août 2011 - 08:10
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Lizardviking wrote...
Seboist wrote...
Lizardviking wrote...
Chewin3 wrote...
KnightofPhoenix wrote...
If he is ruined, I am hoping for the option of having my Shepard lead Cerberus or found a similar organization.
And having Liara as LI.
Yeah. Shepard as the new leader of Cerberus alongside with Liara being the SB would be one my ideal endings.
Too bad she regressed into being another one of Shepard's guns for hire in ME3.
There could be severel reasons for that. One popular theory is that TIM has managed to destroy the SB base by the time we get Liara as squadmember. Wiping out the SB would be an ideal first strike for TIM.
Meh, it just defeats the purpose of going through all that trouble of killing the Shadow Broker and making her the replacement. The whole thing reeks of the devs wanting her to be center stage again.
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Posté 13 août 2011 - 08:12
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Meh, it just defeats the purpose of going through all that trouble of killing the Shadow Broker and making her the replacement. The whole thing reeks of the devs wanting her to be center stage again.
Cannot really argue against that. Perhaps they justifies it by having her manage to find the clue to the deus ex machina before the base is destroyed. But this is getting off-topic.
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Posté 14 août 2011 - 03:37
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Image showing a halo behind TIM's head proving that he's a messenger from the almighty.
Those who destroyed the Collector base not only angered him but God herself! Beware sinners!
Those who destroyed the Collector base not only angered him but God herself! Beware sinners!
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Posté 14 août 2011 - 03:56
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I approve TIM as a character. Always. Such an interesting guy in the games. I like to pretend Evolution never existed and make my origin as how Cerberus was born.
My main Shepard is a Paragade who gave him the Collector Base, if he really turns on me, he better be ready for what's coming to him though.
My main Shepard is a Paragade who gave him the Collector Base, if he really turns on me, he better be ready for what's coming to him though.
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Posté 14 août 2011 - 04:20
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RyuGuitarFreak wrote...
I approve TIM as a character. Always. Such an interesting guy in the games. I like to pretend Evolution never existed and make my origin as how Cerberus was born.
My main Shepard is a Paragade who gave him the Collector Base, if he really turns on me, he better be ready for what's coming to him though.
Very little of the comics and books is acknowledged in the games so no trouble there. :happy:
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Posté 21 août 2011 - 03:23
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Nice shots of angry and disappointed TIM.
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Posté 21 août 2011 - 08:56
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I would like to point out that according to IMDB the Illusive man will have two VA. One is Martin Sheen (rumoured) and the other Jon Briddell (filming and looks like him). I am a bit worried about that. If this has been mentioned before, sorry.
http://www.imdb.com/...ullcredits#cast
EDIT: On second look Jon Briddell is one of the few that don't have the (voice) caption next to him. Live action footage of the Illusive Man?
http://www.imdb.com/...ullcredits#cast
EDIT: On second look Jon Briddell is one of the few that don't have the (voice) caption next to him. Live action footage of the Illusive Man?
Modifié par Illiandri, 21 août 2011 - 09:10 .
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Posté 21 août 2011 - 09:19
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Illiandri wrote...
I would like to point out that according to IMDB the Illusive man will have two VA. One is Martin Sheen (rumoured) and the other Jon Briddell (filming and looks like him). I am a bit worried about that. If this has been mentioned before, sorry.
http://www.imdb.com/...ullcredits#cast
EDIT: On second look Jon Briddell is one of the few that don't have the (voice) caption next to him. Live action footage of the Illusive Man?
Now that would be interesting...though I wonder how strict the guidelines for getting data approved for IMDB is. I know they verify everything that is submitted to some degree.OT, I've never heard of Jon Briddell before but when I saw those pictures of him on IMDB the first words I thought were, "ooo, hot." XD
Modifié par CoronadoRose, 21 août 2011 - 09:29 .
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Posté 22 août 2011 - 03:56
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The Illusive Man - Jack Harper... After reading some post in this thread and thinking of the man himself.How we knew him in Mass Effect 2 and how he is an unknown factor in ME 3.We all want to know,"What is he playing at?!"
It never occured to me, that he could be a potential Love Interest for FemShep.The more I hear it.The more I like the sound of it.
Thank you for mentioning that seboist...
If T.I.M. (and FemShep) had a Theme Song (Of thier relationship and his character) I think this one would work:
Sarah McLachlan - Building A Mystery
You come out at night
That's when the energy comes
And the dark side's light
And the vampires roam
You strut your rasta wear
And your suicide poem
And a cross from a faith that died
Before Jesus came
You're building a mystery
You live in a church
Where you sleep with voodoo dolls
And you won't give up the search
For the ghosts in the halls
You wear sandals in the snow
And a smile that won't wash away
Can you look out the window
Without your shadow getting in the way?
You're so beautiful
With an edge and charm
but so careful
When I'm in your arms
Cause you're working
Building a mystery
Holding on and holding it in
Yeah you're working
Building a mystery
And choosing so carefully
You woke up screaming aloud
A prayer from your secret god
You feed off our fears
And hold back your tears, oh
Give us a tantrum
And a know it all grin
Just when we need one
When the evening's thin
You're a beautiful
A beautiful f*cked up man
You're setting up your
Razor wire shrine
Cause you're working
Building a mystery
Holding on and holding it in
Yeah you're working
Building a mystery
And choosing so carefully
Ooh you're working
Building a mystery
Holding on and holding it in
Yeah you're working
Building a mystery
And choosing so carefully
Yeah you're working
Building a mystery
Holding on and holding it in
Yeah you're working
Building a mystery
And choosing so carefully
You're building a mystery
It never occured to me, that he could be a potential Love Interest for FemShep.The more I hear it.The more I like the sound of it.
Thank you for mentioning that seboist...If T.I.M. (and FemShep) had a Theme Song (Of thier relationship and his character) I think this one would work:
Sarah McLachlan - Building A Mystery
You come out at night
That's when the energy comes
And the dark side's light
And the vampires roam
You strut your rasta wear
And your suicide poem
And a cross from a faith that died
Before Jesus came
You're building a mystery
You live in a church
Where you sleep with voodoo dolls
And you won't give up the search
For the ghosts in the halls
You wear sandals in the snow
And a smile that won't wash away
Can you look out the window
Without your shadow getting in the way?
You're so beautiful
With an edge and charm
but so careful
When I'm in your arms
Cause you're working
Building a mystery
Holding on and holding it in
Yeah you're working
Building a mystery
And choosing so carefully
You woke up screaming aloud
A prayer from your secret god
You feed off our fears
And hold back your tears, oh
Give us a tantrum
And a know it all grin
Just when we need one
When the evening's thin
You're a beautiful
A beautiful f*cked up man
You're setting up your
Razor wire shrine
Cause you're working
Building a mystery
Holding on and holding it in
Yeah you're working
Building a mystery
And choosing so carefully
Ooh you're working
Building a mystery
Holding on and holding it in
Yeah you're working
Building a mystery
And choosing so carefully
Yeah you're working
Building a mystery
Holding on and holding it in
Yeah you're working
Building a mystery
And choosing so carefully
You're building a mystery
Modifié par ubermensch007, 22 août 2011 - 04:02 .
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Posté 22 août 2011 - 04:02
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TIM(and to a slightly lesser extent Zaeed) would be the ultimate renegade femshep romance no question.
Although if you ask me TIM would be the ideal romance for ALL femsheps. He's charming,charismatic,attractive,wealthy and powerful. He has everything to make a woman happy.
Although if you ask me TIM would be the ideal romance for ALL femsheps. He's charming,charismatic,attractive,wealthy and powerful. He has everything to make a woman happy.
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Posté 22 août 2011 - 07:01
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It depends on how you perceive your character, I'd say. A full Paragon, for example, would probably rather strangle him with his own intestines, but that's just my take on it. Hell, my Shep started out hating him -and everything he stood for- with the burning passion of a thousand fiery suns. (She got over it.)
I do think he's one of the only characters -on your side, anyway- who could go toe-to-toe with Commander Shepard, and this is part of what makes him so attractive to me. I really dislike an uneven distribution of power when it comes to love interests, which may be why my Canon Shep never went after any of the ones Bioware had to offer. They always seemed to be standing in Shepard's shadow.
TIM, on the other hand, appears to be the perfect foil. This is, as Seboist pointed out, particularly evident if you're playing Renegade (or Renegon, in my case). If I may borrow from a trope, they pretty much encapsulate the idea of 'Red Oni, Blue Oni'. Allow me to paraphrase.
The Red Oni -associated with passion, wildness, and defiance- is (of course) Commander Shepard. Although often as intelligent as his or her counterpart, this archetype is much more emotionally driven, impulsive, and physical. Whereas the blue oni puts a lot of focus onto higher goals, causes, or codes of behavior, the red is usually more concerned with people- thus, (s)he often comes across as the more humanitarian of the two.
The Blue Oni -intellectual, proud, and cultured- is the Illusive Man, Shepard's polar opposite. They are strategic where the Red Oni is direct; calm and composed where the other is reactionist. While often respected by others, Blue Oni archetypes are difficult to read, and often have a mysterious or unfathomable quality to them. When written as villains, they're usually utterly ruthless- ready to do or sacrifice anything (and often anyone) in order to accomplish their goals.
****. Am I making any kind of logical sense? I'm posting this at midnight and I've been at work all day, so I have to wonder if anything that sounds good in my head is translating to the screen in a coherent fashion. This could be several paragraphs of nothing but 'e's, for all I know.
...Anyway, backtracking for a moment to the TIM/FemShep debate, I've become so tied up in their dynamic that I have a hard time picturing my Shep with anyone else.FOREVER ALONE
Naturally, being a Sole Survivior, this is the source of a lot of friction on her end. Admitting that you've developed feelings for the man who indirectly massacred your unit, and slapped you with a boatload of emotional trauma, has got to sting.
All hail the Masochism Tango. >.>
I do think he's one of the only characters -on your side, anyway- who could go toe-to-toe with Commander Shepard, and this is part of what makes him so attractive to me. I really dislike an uneven distribution of power when it comes to love interests, which may be why my Canon Shep never went after any of the ones Bioware had to offer. They always seemed to be standing in Shepard's shadow.
TIM, on the other hand, appears to be the perfect foil. This is, as Seboist pointed out, particularly evident if you're playing Renegade (or Renegon, in my case). If I may borrow from a trope, they pretty much encapsulate the idea of 'Red Oni, Blue Oni'. Allow me to paraphrase.
The Red Oni -associated with passion, wildness, and defiance- is (of course) Commander Shepard. Although often as intelligent as his or her counterpart, this archetype is much more emotionally driven, impulsive, and physical. Whereas the blue oni puts a lot of focus onto higher goals, causes, or codes of behavior, the red is usually more concerned with people- thus, (s)he often comes across as the more humanitarian of the two.
The Blue Oni -intellectual, proud, and cultured- is the Illusive Man, Shepard's polar opposite. They are strategic where the Red Oni is direct; calm and composed where the other is reactionist. While often respected by others, Blue Oni archetypes are difficult to read, and often have a mysterious or unfathomable quality to them. When written as villains, they're usually utterly ruthless- ready to do or sacrifice anything (and often anyone) in order to accomplish their goals.
****. Am I making any kind of logical sense? I'm posting this at midnight and I've been at work all day, so I have to wonder if anything that sounds good in my head is translating to the screen in a coherent fashion. This could be several paragraphs of nothing but 'e's, for all I know.
...Anyway, backtracking for a moment to the TIM/FemShep debate, I've become so tied up in their dynamic that I have a hard time picturing my Shep with anyone else.
Naturally, being a Sole Survivior, this is the source of a lot of friction on her end. Admitting that you've developed feelings for the man who indirectly massacred your unit, and slapped you with a boatload of emotional trauma, has got to sting.
All hail the Masochism Tango. >.>
Modifié par Ashwraith, 22 août 2011 - 07:11 .
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Posté 22 août 2011 - 09:38
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Hate him and Cerberus. Hate them very much. But truly respect his chessmaster skills. This bastard
is a worthy opponent.
is a worthy opponent.
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Posté 22 août 2011 - 11:09
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Ashwraith wrote...
...Anyway, backtracking for a moment to the TIM/FemShep debate, I've become so tied up in their dynamic that I have a hard time picturing my Shep with anyone else.FOREVER ALONE
Naturally, being a Sole Survivior, this is the source of a lot of friction on her end. Admitting that you've developed feelings for the man who indirectly massacred your unit, and slapped you with a boatload of emotional trauma, has got to sting.
All hail the Masochism Tango. >.>
Sounds like your Shep has battered wife syndrome! :happy:
It's too bad ME2 doesn't allow Shepard to confront/question TIM about the whole Akuze incident. It would have made for a very personal anti-Cerberus playthrough or a very interesting pro-Cerberus one where Shepard has a "twisted" sense of appreciation for making him/her into the person s/he is.
