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[Sebby]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Possibly, though she needed to do something to earn his trust enough that she'd be staying on his station working for him. Technically, he trusts her more than he possibly trusts Miranda and Kai Leng. It's hard to imagine.

TIM prolly has ploughed Miranda too. She does tend to speak of him in a groupie-ish manner when discussing him with Shep.

[Ravensword]

laecraft wrote...

-snip-

Nobody cares about humanity, nobody would listen to us because we don't have the firepower to back up our Councilor, and our colonies are going to be wiped out either by new aggressive aliens like rachni, or by our competitors, or just by thugs. We'll be too weakened after the war.

Relying on the mercy of aliens for protection and having our own power is not the same. We can only make alliance with them as equals, not as supplicants.

We don't need TIm for that, we have the Systems Alliance. Don't trust TIM. For all you know his end game is to become the emperor of humanity ruling as a cruel despot and controlling his subjects through the use of Reaper nanomachines.

[Dave of Canada]

Ravensword wrote...

We don't need TIm for that, we have the Systems Alliance.

They aren't really doing much of a great job, despite Cerberus handing them their research and technology.

Don't trust TIM. For all you know his end game is to become the emperor of humanity ruling as a cruel despot and controlling his subjects through the use of Reaper nanomachines.

Except that's never been anything close to his goal.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 26 octobre 2011 - 02:54 .

[Ravensword]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

We don't need TIm for that, we have the Systems Alliance.

They aren't really doing much of a great job, despite Cerberus handing them their research and technology.

Don't trust TIM. For all you know his end game is to become the emperor of humanity ruling as a cruel despot and controlling his subjects through the use of Reaper nanomachines.

Except that's never been anything close to his goal.

Well, I'm sure that won't matter once TIM is either dead or being interrogated, in which case the Alliance can help themselves to all of Cerberus' research and information contacts.

[Ashwraith]

...Just checking: you do realize that trying to convince fans of a character that their character is evil and bad and not to be trusted -on their own thread no less- is a little like shouting into the wind, right?

Modifié par Ashwraith, 26 octobre 2011 - 03:14 .

[Ravensword]

Ashwraith wrote...

...Just checking: you do realize that trying to convince fans of a character that their character is evil and bad and not to be trusted -on their own thread no less- is a little like shouting into the wind, right?

I'll take that as agreeing to the fact that TIM is evi and not to be trusted then.

Modifié par Ravensword, 26 octobre 2011 - 03:19 .

[Ravensword]

laecraft wrote...

So...the Alliance are nothing but the scavengers? Shepard doesn't like looters...

Oh, TIM doesn't need protection. History will vindicate us.

We'll see about that.

[Sebby]

laecraft wrote...

So...the Alliance are nothing but the scavengers? Shepard doesn't like looters...

Oh, TIM doesn't need protection. History will vindicate us.

TIM especially doesn't need protection with my femshep. <3

[Ravensword]

Seboist wrote...

TIM especially doesn't need protection with my femshep. <3

And this is why I like this thread.

[AdmiralCheez]

Ashwraith wrote...

...Just checking: you do realize that trying to convince fans of a character that their character is evil and bad and not to be trusted -on their own thread no less- is a little like shouting into the wind, right?

Sshh, it's funnier if you don't say anything.

Anyway, TIM's an awesome character because I don't know how to feel about him.  With all the details we have about who he is and what he's done, I should be able to make a call on whether I like him or not.  But I can't.  I know I vehemently disagree with Cerberus, I know TIM's ultimately nuts at his core, and I know he's a bad guy in ME3, but I also know he's a suave and crafty bastard, and understanding his history (despite how little I liked Evolution) makes me wonder how he got to where he is.

With Saren, I knew exactly how I felt.  He was a total douchebag, but in the end I respected and felt sorry for him, even though he didn't deserve it.  With TIM, I should either hate him by all accounts or be jumping up and down about how rad he is, but despite everything I just don't know.

TIM succeeds because I have no idea what I'm supposed to make of the guy.

[Ashwraith]

Ravensword wrote...

I'll take that as agreeing to the fact that TIM is evi and not to be trusted then.

Wait, what?

I was just pointing out that I don't agree with you -and probably won't ever; same with the other TIM fans here- and that, while you're certainly welcome to try to convert us to your way of thinking, it's likely pointless to expect results.












...You're just trying to confuse me now, aren't you? I see what you did there. I'm onto you, mister.

Modifié par Ashwraith, 26 octobre 2011 - 03:27 .

[Ravensword]

Ashwraith wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

I'll take that as agreeing to the fact that TIM is evi and not to be trusted then.

Wait, what?

I was just pointing out that I don't agree with you -and probably won't ever; same with the other TIM fans- and that, while you're certainly welcome to try, it's likely pointless to expect results.












...You're just trying to confuse me now, aren't you? I'm onto you, mister.

No, no. It's okay I understand. You want to kill TIM and become the Illusive Woman. I'm onto you as well, sister.

[Dave of Canada]

Don't need to kill to become The Illusive Woman.

[Ashwraith]

Crap! My brilliant plot- exposed!
*shakes fist* I'll get you next time, Gadget! NEXT TIIIIME!





(Heh. I like you. :3)

[Sebby]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Don't need to kill to become The Illusive Woman.

Anderson and the axe buried deep in his skull beg to differ.

[Ravensword]

Ashwraith wrote...

Crap! My brilliant plot- exposed!
*shakes fist* I'll get you next time, Gadget! NEXT TIIIIME!

Ah, the good ol' days. No need to worry. I approve.

Ashwraith wrote...

(Heh. I like you. :3)

[Bows]

Modifié par Ravensword, 26 octobre 2011 - 03:35 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Seboist wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Don't need to kill to become The Illusive Woman.

Anderson and the axe buried deep in his skull beg to differ.

You make me sad, Sebo, so very sad. ;(

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 26 octobre 2011 - 03:40 .

[Xilizhra]

TIM succeeds because I have no idea what I'm supposed to make of the guy.

Wait, you don't?

And concerning the crew's dossiers, I bet SB didn't know about EDI

There's a record of a conversation Legion has with EDI.

[Ravensword]

laecraft wrote...

About the SB dossiers. I agree that many of them felt like they were made to be humorous. Some of them contain irrelevant intel. I think that may be the intention - in-game intention, even. I don't fully trust the written intel - agents make mistakes, or they just lie, they could've been re-recruited. Only video records are convincing enough, but they're few.

I found TIM's dossier to be particularly uninformative. They managed to breach the security enough to tell how many cigarettes he smokes per day, but not what he's planning? It doesn't tell us anything expect that he smokes a lot, drinks a lot, has a lot of trysts, and sends a lot of messages across the galaxy. It's nothing I couldn't have figured out on my own. I was very disappointed...and I believe the Shadow Broker was, too.

Apparently TIM's security is good enough that only the irrelevant and superficial intel gets away. Maybe TIM appointed one of his assistants to be the double-agent for the Shadow Broker, and the agent feeds SB only unimportant intel, something that sounds believable enough.

And concerning the crew's dossiers, I bet SB didn't know about EDI, and doubtless she handles all the firewalls regarding the crew's extranet activity. Maybe EDI filters information, making sure nothing crucial gets away.

Who can be sure. Though you seem to wish to know about the man behind the eyes. You also have to realize that if only the Sb had an agent that was TIM's second in command nobody could tell what he actually does except chain smoke and drink. I doubt even someone like Miranda who has dealt w/ TIM in person knows the extent of his activities. Then again, Miranda never reveals much information about TIm and she even says that she doesn't know much about him.

[Xilizhra]

Seboist wrote...

laecraft wrote...

So...the Alliance are nothing but the scavengers? Shepard doesn't like looters...

Oh, TIM doesn't need protection. History will vindicate us.

TIM especially doesn't need protection with my femshep. <3

Ah, so your Femshep is a complete moron, then.