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Ashwraith wrote...
...Just checking: you do realize that trying to convince fans of a character that their character is evil and bad and not to be trusted -on their own thread no less- is a little like shouting into the wind, right?
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Seboist wrote...
Another thing, what's the logic behind Paragons wanting to support the Krogan? They're willing to undermine their precious council's policy and for what? An ultra-violent race of man-turtles that love war,mutiliation, killing and detest everything s/he stands for? LOTSB shows video of Paragon Shepard's Urdnot buddies burning prisoners alive and feeding them to varren.... and that's what s/he wants the galaxy to have more of with a genophage cure?
It makes no sense to me.
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Hah Yes Reapers wrote...
Zaeed's state-of-mind has been with him a long time, and he's still been a very successful mercenary. That, to me, is less reason to kill Vido (even though I did it anyway). Why ruin a "good" thing? Maybe he's less effective without that motivator.
Ieldra2 wrote...
That? Easy. They want to know how many chances they'd have to kill TIM with an exploding cigarette. You know, it's been tried before.
Seboist wrote...
If Paragons want to keep the thread going then that means less work for me.
Modifié par laecraft, 26 octobre 2011 - 10:23 .
Indeed.Seboist wrote...
If Paragons want to keep the thread going then that means less work for me.
Once again: Indeed. Hell, I don't even know where I'd be right now without my dearest Xil.laecraft wrote...
Not many Paragons would come and play with us without resorting to...violent imagery.
Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 26 octobre 2011 - 10:28 .
laecraft wrote...
Ashwraith wrote...
...Just checking: you do realize that trying to convince fans of a character that their character is evil and bad and not to be trusted -on their own thread no less- is a little like shouting into the wind, right?
I certainly don't mind that. Discussion keeps the thread going. Not many Paragons would come and play with us without resorting to...violent imagery.
Modifié par Ravensword, 26 octobre 2011 - 10:25 .
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Seboist wrote...
If Paragons want to keep the thread going then that means less work for me.
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Modifié par laecraft, 26 octobre 2011 - 10:34 .
laecraft wrote...
TIM's thread is of paramount importance!
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Ravensword wrote...
Well, I'm sure that won't matter once TIM is either dead or being interrogated, in which case the Alliance can help themselves to all of Cerberus' research and information contacts.
laecraft wrote...
Ravensword wrote...
Well, I'm sure that won't matter once TIM is either dead or being interrogated, in which case the Alliance can help themselves to all of Cerberus' research and information contacts.
Sneaky Paragons. They want to steal everything from us. They want to help themselves to our research, intel, contacts, out top ranked operatives, our maintainers...
Modifié par Ravensword, 26 octobre 2011 - 10:46 .
laecraft wrote...
But now I'm anxious. What do you mean by that "less work", Seboist? It's not going to be fun if you do less work on it...
Oh, thanks for reminding me: we still have to survey which of us smoke.Seboist wrote...
laecraft wrote...
But now I'm anxious. What do you mean by that "less work", Seboist? It's not going to be fun if you do less work on it...
Less work means that I can spend more time smoking marlboro and drinking Jim Beam like TIM while reading the thread.
laecraft wrote...
Seboist wrote...
Another thing, what's the logic behind Paragons wanting to support the Krogan? They're willing to undermine their precious council's policy and for what? An ultra-violent race of man-turtles that love war,mutiliation, killing and detest everything s/he stands for? LOTSB shows video of Paragon Shepard's Urdnot buddies burning prisoners alive and feeding them to varren.... and that's what s/he wants the galaxy to have more of with a genophage cure?
It makes no sense to me.
We think too much for our own good. It's like Dean scrutinizing asari reproduction. It's not supposed to make sense. Just close your eyes and enjoy it. You're not supposed to use your brain (pun intended.) If you start thinking, that fictional construct would disappear with a poof, and wouldn't it be sad?
Of course, if we're not enjoying this, that's where the problems start. The krogan are going to be cured, united, and integrated into the galactic society, and that's going to be a Paragon route, make no mistake about it...
Seboist wrote...
Paragon and Renegade don't even feel like valid archetypes or gameplay paths since they both change personas on the fly.
This is how the alliances should logically play out.
Paragon: Turian,Salarian, Asari and maybe the Hanar?
Neutral: Geth and Rachni.
Renegade: Quarian,Krogan, Vorcha and Batarian. + Elcor & Volus
HogarthHughes 3 wrote...
Seboist wrote...
Paragon and Renegade don't even feel like valid archetypes or gameplay paths since they both change personas on the fly.
This is how the alliances should logically play out.
Paragon: Turian,Salarian, Asari and maybe the Hanar?
Neutral: Geth and Rachni.
Renegade: Quarian,Krogan, Vorcha and Batarian. + Elcor & Volus
Did you miss those Emily Wong reports after Horizon? The all-human (or at least human-led, the game contradicts itself here a couple times) Council gets chummy with the Volus and Elcor. Really though even if the Turians hate humanity and are preparing for war in a renegade universe, it'd make sense for them to work together against the Reapers.
03/28/2011 - Systems Alliance Reverses Stance on Turian Dreadnought Construction
“In a surprise move, respected Systems Alliance admiral, Steven
Hackett, testified today before the Citadel Council that the Joint
Chiefs of the Alliance have relaxed their attitude toward the increased
construction of turian dreadnoughts. "The Alliance is behind our
councilor one hundred percent," the admiral said, a significant
departure from the Chiefs' protests of the past. "Having recently
conducted significant joint operation exercises with the turians, as
well as smaller efforts with salarians and asari, the Alliance Navy
feels the threats of the 22nd and 23rd centuries [Earth standard] will
be external to the signatories of the Treaty of Farixen." Batarian
ambassador Nel'Tarras Tilshan reacted vehemently. "The humans appear to
be falling into a bloody-minded course, and we hope they turn back.
Dreadnoughts are not for peacekeeping, they are for devastating planets!
Hackett now sides with those who are a direct threat to the batarian
people."”
Seboist wrote...
Yeah, I'm aware of those reports and thanks for the reminder. The renegade path being so underdeveloped makes a man's memory worse ya know?
The Human-Turian arms race has sadly been retconned into being decision neutral.03/28/2011 - Systems Alliance Reverses Stance on Turian Dreadnought Construction
“In a surprise move, respected Systems Alliance admiral, Steven
Hackett, testified today before the Citadel Council that the Joint
Chiefs of the Alliance have relaxed their attitude toward the increased
construction of turian dreadnoughts. "The Alliance is behind our
councilor one hundred percent," the admiral said, a significant
departure from the Chiefs' protests of the past. "Having recently
conducted significant joint operation exercises with the turians, as
well as smaller efforts with salarians and asari, the Alliance Navy
feels the threats of the 22nd and 23rd centuries [Earth standard] will
be external to the signatories of the Treaty of Farixen." Batarian
ambassador Nel'Tarras Tilshan reacted vehemently. "The humans appear to
be falling into a bloody-minded course, and we hope they turn back.
Dreadnoughts are not for peacekeeping, they are for devastating planets!
Hackett now sides with those who are a direct threat to the batarian
people."”
Why wouldn't it be? Integrating anyone is Paragon. Killing people and using your own resources is Renegade.laecraft wrote...
Seboist wrote...
Another thing, what's the logic behind Paragons wanting to support the Krogan? They're willing to undermine their precious council's policy and for what? An ultra-violent race of man-turtles that love war,mutiliation, killing and detest everything s/he stands for? LOTSB shows video of Paragon Shepard's Urdnot buddies burning prisoners alive and feeding them to varren.... and that's what s/he wants the galaxy to have more of with a genophage cure?
It makes no sense to me.
We think too much for our own good. It's like Dean scrutinizing asari reproduction. It's not supposed to make sense. Just close your eyes and enjoy it. You're not supposed to use your brain (pun intended.) If you start thinking, that fictional construct would disappear with a poof, and wouldn't it be sad?
Of course, if we're not enjoying this, that's where the problems start. The krogan are going to be cured, united, and integrated into the galactic society, and that's going to be a Paragon route, make no mistake about it...
Modifié par General User, 27 octobre 2011 - 12:52 .
Xilizhra wrote...
Why wouldn't it be? Integrating anyone is Paragon. Killing people and using your own resources is Renegade.laecraft wrote...
Seboist wrote...
Another thing, what's the logic behind Paragons wanting to support the Krogan? They're willing to undermine their precious council's policy and for what? An ultra-violent race of man-turtles that love war,mutiliation, killing and detest everything s/he stands for? LOTSB shows video of Paragon Shepard's Urdnot buddies burning prisoners alive and feeding them to varren.... and that's what s/he wants the galaxy to have more of with a genophage cure?
It makes no sense to me.
We think too much for our own good. It's like Dean scrutinizing asari reproduction. It's not supposed to make sense. Just close your eyes and enjoy it. You're not supposed to use your brain (pun intended.) If you start thinking, that fictional construct would disappear with a poof, and wouldn't it be sad?
Of course, if we're not enjoying this, that's where the problems start. The krogan are going to be cured, united, and integrated into the galactic society, and that's going to be a Paragon route, make no mistake about it...
Xilizhra wrote...
Why wouldn't it be? Integrating anyone is Paragon. Killing people and using your own resources is Renegade.laecraft wrote...
Seboist wrote...
Another thing, what's the logic behind Paragons wanting to support the Krogan? They're willing to undermine their precious council's policy and for what? An ultra-violent race of man-turtles that love war,mutiliation, killing and detest everything s/he stands for? LOTSB shows video of Paragon Shepard's Urdnot buddies burning prisoners alive and feeding them to varren.... and that's what s/he wants the galaxy to have more of with a genophage cure?
It makes no sense to me.
We think too much for our own good. It's like Dean scrutinizing asari reproduction. It's not supposed to make sense. Just close your eyes and enjoy it. You're not supposed to use your brain (pun intended.) If you start thinking, that fictional construct would disappear with a poof, and wouldn't it be sad?
Of course, if we're not enjoying this, that's where the problems start. The krogan are going to be cured, united, and integrated into the galactic society, and that's going to be a Paragon route, make no mistake about it...
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Or better yet, just to fail completely. That'd make Paragons feel good about themselves.
Seboist wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Why wouldn't it be? Integrating anyone is Paragon. Killing people and using your own resources is Renegade.laecraft wrote...
Seboist wrote...
Another thing, what's the logic behind Paragons wanting to support the Krogan? They're willing to undermine their precious council's policy and for what? An ultra-violent race of man-turtles that love war,mutiliation, killing and detest everything s/he stands for? LOTSB shows video of Paragon Shepard's Urdnot buddies burning prisoners alive and feeding them to varren.... and that's what s/he wants the galaxy to have more of with a genophage cure?
It makes no sense to me.
We think too much for our own good. It's like Dean scrutinizing asari reproduction. It's not supposed to make sense. Just close your eyes and enjoy it. You're not supposed to use your brain (pun intended.) If you start thinking, that fictional construct would disappear with a poof, and wouldn't it be sad?
Of course, if we're not enjoying this, that's where the problems start. The krogan are going to be cured, united, and integrated into the galactic society, and that's going to be a Paragon route, make no mistake about it...
There's the little problem of the council that Paragon Shepard works for doesn't want to integrate them, nor do the Krogans themselves want to be part of their system but don't worry BW will completely disregard the lore to give you your kumbaya outcome along with Thane being cured and TIM being revealed to be the anti-christ.
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