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[Sebby]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Seboist wrote...

It would be be pretty lame if say the Quarians and Geth aren't portrayed as being co-belligerents at best or the Krogans with the Turians but I'm not counting on it.

Oh I'm counting on the Geth wiping out the Quarians, before or after. I'll do all that is within my power to accomplish that. It's for the same reason I support death sentence for parents who tried to murder their children.

Even though I'm more favorable to the Quarians I have no problem with my Shepard contributing to a Geth attack against them if they prove to be the more useful ally. Humanity's survival trumps the Quarians.

[Xilizhra]

Only humans are that low.

Only Cerberus.

Like any of them won't do exactly the same when given the chance! Have you talked to your friend Tali recently? Did you meet her dear father?

Attempted murder is still a capital offence in many jurisdictions.

I don't approve of capital punishment regardless. And now that Tali is better informed about the geth, I doubt she'd want to kill all of them.

[Xilizhra]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

laecraft wrote...

Face it. This is what's going to happen: the former enemies, who were at each other's throats for millennia, would shake hands instantly, overcome their ages-old grudges, and become best friends in the face of the common threat.

They most certainly aren't going to use the chaos of war to tip the scale to their advantage. Aliens are noble, they don't behave this way. Only humans are that low.

If that is the case, I'll forever shut up about how video games have the potential to become a serious branch of art like literature or film.

Or maybe it's time to start looking elsewhere. Any other games that you guys may recommend?

Trusting laecraft to have an accurate and relatively unbiased view on anything ME-related is doomed to failure. Odds seem higher that they'll still hate each other, but won't try to undermine their allies in the face of galactic extinction, except for some idiot malcontents whom Shepard will probably wind up killing.

[Sebby]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

laecraft wrote...

Face it. This is what's going to happen: the former enemies, who were at each other's throats for millennia, would shake hands instantly, overcome their ages-old grudges, and become best friends in the face of the common threat.

They most certainly aren't going to use the chaos of war to tip the scale to their advantage. Aliens are noble, they don't behave this way. Only humans are that low.

If that is the case, I'll forever shut up about how video games have the potential to become a serious branch of art like literature or film.

Or maybe it's time to start looking elsewhere. Any other games that you guys may recommend?

Both Witchers, which are based on a Polish series of novels.

You should check out Knight of Phoenix's blog post about the faction and politics of Witcher 2. It's far more complex and grey than anything Bioware has come up with in ME or DA.

[Xilizhra]

If Shepard saves the galaxy, it would be despite the galaxy's best efforts, not because of it.

You may want to actually play ME3 before making that decision. And Cerberus has now betrayed you. Change your allies like I had to.

Ironically, as well-informed as she is, the only thing that's stopping her from openly championing an all-out war of elimination against the Geth, is that the Quarians have practically zero probability of winning.

I disagree; she'd love to get Rannoch back, but not with that much death.

[Ravensword]

laecraft wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

If that is the case, I'll forever shut up about how video games have the potential to become a serious branch of art like literature or film.

Or maybe it's time to start looking elsewhere. Any other games that you guys may recommend?

Now, I didn't mean to cast a pall over the evening. This thread is already dark enough as it is.

*tries to think of something cheeful quickly*

heh, that's right, don't listen to me.

Kooky.

[Sebby]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't approve of capital punishment regardless. And now that Tali is better informed about the geth, I doubt she'd want to kill all of them.

Ironically, as well-informed as she is, the only thing that's stopping her from openly championing an all-out war of elimination against the Geth, is that the Quarians have practically zero probability of winning.

My Pro-Cerberus Talimancer hopes to combine Cerberus' Project Overlord with Rael'Zorah's work to smash the Geth and retake the homeworld.  Admiral Xen and Dr. Gavin Archer will become partners(in more ways than one!) and TIM will be cracking open a bottle of Jim Beam with Han'Gerrel after the homeworld is taken.

It's a brilliant plan I must say.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Ravensword wrote...

laecraft wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

If that is the case, I'll forever shut up about how video games have the potential to become a serious branch of art like literature or film.

Or maybe it's time to start looking elsewhere. Any other games that you guys may recommend?

Now, I didn't mean to cast a pall over the evening. This thread is already dark enough as it is.

*tries to think of something cheeful quickly*

heh, that's right, don't listen to me.

Kooky.

Hey now, that's not a very nice thing to say...

[Xilizhra]

laecraft wrote...

I don't change my allies that easily. In fact, once I placed my trust into someone fully, I don't change my allies at all.

I'll fight if I must, but my heart will be on the other side of the barricade.

Rather ironic that between us, it was the Renegade who trusted too quickly and too deeply. 
"Offer one hand, but arm the other." You missed one of those.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 27 octobre 2011 - 04:16 .

[Sebby]

I'm not one for high fantasy settings and greatly prefer science fiction but the Witcher's universe has me gripped. It shows how black and white and shallow both ME and DA really are.

One of the best things about Witcher is that it actually has a viable human dominance path in both games!

[Xilizhra]

laecraft wrote...

Too quickly? How long would it take you to trust someone - four games?

Well, so long as someone is going to keep me at arm's length, use me as a tool, and never divulge any information about whom I'm working with and in fact take steps to keep me from learning anything about them... well, never, quite frankly. I never trusted the Council to stay fully reliable, I've learned to stop trusting the Alliance to be, and I never trusted Cerberus either. Organizations are fickle, and at any moment you could be just a piece to be sacrificed. It's people I trust... but TIM hasn't earned it.

[Kaiser Shepard]

laecraft wrote...

Too quickly? How long would it take you to trust someone - four games?

One conversation, in most cases.

[Sebby]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

laecraft wrote...

Too quickly? How long would it take you to trust someone - four games?

One conversation, in most cases.

People are very honest in ME.

[Xilizhra]

laecraft wrote...

And actions alone are not enough to know the truth, of course. You need to know the motivations. But sometimes actions are just too powerful to ignore. TIM brought me back from the dead and enabled me to fight my enemy. No one, never, had ever done this for me. Whatever happens, this simply cannot be erased.

So if anyone does a sufficiently powerful unique favor for you, you're their slave forever? You don't seem to possess much independence of action...

He resurrected me. I acknowledge this. If I thought he'd resurrect me again in ME3 or if he'd be resurrecting other people, I'd take it into account in future actions. This doesn't seem to be the case.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

laecraft wrote...

And actions alone are not enough to know the truth, of course. You need to know the motivations. But sometimes actions are just too powerful to ignore. TIM brought me back from the dead and enabled me to fight my enemy. No one, never, had ever done this for me. Whatever happens, this simply cannot be erased.

So if anyone does a sufficiently powerful unique favor for you, you're their slave forever? You don't seem to possess much independence of action...

He resurrected me. I acknowledge this. If I thought he'd resurrect me again in ME3 or if he'd be resurrecting other people, I'd take it into account in future actions. This doesn't seem to be the case.

You offer her a finger, and she wants your whole hand.

Typical.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 27 octobre 2011 - 04:33 .