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[wolfennights]

I really hope we get to see the more manipulative sides of him, like Obsidian did with Kreia in KotOR 2. I'm going to be pissed if he's going to be the guy who is pure evil just for the sake of being evil/indoctrinated. 

Modifié par wolfennights, 22 août 2011 - 05:33 .

[Ashwraith]

Seboist wrote...

Sounds like your Shep has battered wife syndrome! :happy:

It's too bad ME2 doesn't allow Shepard to confront/question TIM about the whole Akuze incident. It would have made for a very personal anti-Cerberus playthrough or a very interesting pro-Cerberus one where Shepard has a "twisted" sense of appreciation for making him/her into the person s/he is.

Huh. Never really thought about it like that before. That... puts a very dark spin on things. I like it.

If so, however, it's happening in reverse. She started out fully intending to track him down and kill him, and it took a long time for her to even start to respect him. She has a grudging sort of admiration for people who do what has to be done and damn the consequences. It's an enviable position in the eyes of someone who can't do that; who, like Shepard, has constantly been bogged down in red tape.




Plus, when one is coming from the head-in-the-sand behavior of the Council, and the Alliance's cheerful backstabbing, he must seem like the Only Sane Man. "Reapers, you say? ****! We'd better do somnething about this! Here, take my resources and funding! Take them all!"
Barring Anderson, TIM is the first person who's ever taken Shepard seriously and is in a position to do something about it. That's some pretty powerful motivation, right there.
Mind you, I doubt she'll ever forgive him for Akuze, and that is creating a pretty serious case of divided loyalties.

....
oh god help me, my character is helga.

[The Everchosen of Chaos]

I really hope that Bioware doesn't turn TIM into a 'Darth Vader' character, you know the whole 'redeemed' at the last minute thing. If TIM truly represents the worst and best of Humanity, then I want to see both his compassionate side and him at his most ruthless. I think the Illusive Man is quite possibly the most morally grey character I've ever had the pleasure to meet and that makes him Fascinating.

Being a Cerberus and TIM fan I hope I can still work for him since I kept the base but even if I can't I will enjoy the challenge of taking him down.

I think Shepard and Tim are more alike than anyone thinks, at the end of the day both of them will do whatever it takes to get the job done.

Modifié par The Everchosen of Chaos, 22 août 2011 - 09:18 .

[rpgfan321]

I loled when I read the dossier on SB's base on TIM.
I knew he smoked and drank, but didn't know him as a player...
^__________^

Dossier reads:
.....
Matriach Trellani (twice)

Lol~~~

[Seboist]

rpgfan321 wrote...

I loled when I read the dossier on SB's base on TIM.
I knew he smoked and drank, but didn't know him as a player...
^__________^

Dossier reads:
.....
Matriach Trellani (twice)

Lol~~~

Yep and he was always intended to be a womanizer, here's some old concept art of it.



My two femsheps would love to be womanized by him anytime. <3

[Sepewrath]

Are those twins? lol. Why do these guys always have twins?

[Seboist]

Sepewrath wrote...

Are those twins? lol. Why do these guys always have twins?

What most men dream about TIM actually gets. He's a man amongst men.

[Ashwraith]

...I still think that early concept art looks like a demented cross between James Bond and Trevor Goodchild.
Don't get me wrong, I love Matt Rhodes' artwork; it's just that when I compare it to the Illusive Man's final design, it makes me giggle uncontrollably.
Personally, I think my favorite incarnation was the one they showed in the Blur trailer.
Ouch, my older man fetish.

[Seboist]

Ashwraith wrote...

...I still think that early concept art looks like a demented cross between James Bond and Trevor Goodchild.
Don't get me wrong, I love Matt Rhodes' artwork; it's just that when I compare it to the Illusive Man's final design, it makes me giggle uncontrollably.
Personally, I think my favorite incarnation was the one they showed in the Blur trailer.
Ouch, my older man fetish.

That old concept made me literally LOL when I first saw it and yeah it does have a resemblence to ol' Trevor.

[Seboist]

The most bad ass pose in all of ME2.

"..... will kill remaining Collectors and leave the machinery INTACT" *raised clenched fist*

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

TIM knows what is best in life.

To crush the Turians, see them driven before you.... And to hear the lamentation of the Asari.

[Seboist]

Lizardviking wrote...

TIM knows what is best in life.

To crush the Turians, see them driven before you.... And to hear the lamentation of the Asari.

He's a man's man that's for sure. Conan would be proud.

[Seboist]

TIM is Hackett 2.0. Back in ME1 I always got the impression ol' Steve knew more than he was letting on and was manipulating her to his own ends but he lacked the finesse,charm and charisma of TIM's act.

One of the highlights of TIM's character for me was seeing him actually mourn Shepard's death in the bad ending (regardless of what happens to the base). That showed that he clearly had a great respect and admiration for her. Hopefully in ME3 he'll trust her enough to meet in the same (bed)room together and engage in a normal conversation.

[CoronadoRose]

laecraft wrote...
*snip*

Sometimes he does say something that sounds genuinely sincere, but those moments are very rare and brief, and he interrupts them instantly, returning to his usual tight control, inscrutable like a machine. Have I mentioned how irritating it is?

*snip*

One of the fun moments - TIM's conversation with Jacob, about Jacob's loyalty mission. TIM gets blamed for everything even when it's not his fault, and nobody believes him even when he speaks the truth. But it's a drawback of his image, I suppose.

*snip*

And I got carried away again.

Yeah, that is partly what makes him so interesting to me as well. He really is a master manipulator.

I need to play ME2 again, because I can only think of twice off the top of my head where he isn't all business. Right before you go on the suicide mission and after the mission you mentioned: Jacob's loyalty mission. Pick the paragon option and his mask never slips ("I had no more reason to believe Jacob's father was alive then you did. But I'm happy to know the situation is behind you.") but pick the renegade option after he says it wasn't him:

'Still toying with us?'; "Really? Because given the result it feels like something you'd have your hands in.",

and he responds with this:

"You know very little about me, Shepard. Don't presume to understand my intentions. Cerberus is ultametely about humanity. My people are valuable to me."

He seemed sincerely...hurt by the accusation. Time to sing Martin Sheen's praises again. He really did a great job portraying TIM. I really like that conversation, I think it is one of the few that shows him at his most human regardless of how you're playing. He's just as surprised as we were that not only was Jacob's father alive, but Miranda was the one that let it slip to Jacob that he was. I love how they cut back to TIM when Miranda steps in. That look of on his face is priceless. XD

Seboist wrote...

TIM is Hackett 2.0. Back in ME1 I always
got the impression ol' Steve knew more than he was letting on and was
manipulating her to his own ends but he lacked the finesse,charm and
charisma of TIM's act.

One of the highlights of TIM's character
for me was seeing him actually mourn Shepard's death in the bad ending
(regardless of what happens to the base). That showed that he clearly
had a great respect and admiration for her. Hopefully in ME3 he'll trust
her enough to meet in the same (bed)room together and engage in a
normal conversation.

I have never had Shep die in any of my playthroughs...I need to look those up on Youtube.

And as for your last sentence...yes please. XD

Modifié par CoronadoRose, 25 août 2011 - 07:38 .

[Seboist]

Here's a vid of the Shepard dies/base saved ending

TIM looks like he's wiping a tear at 9:16-9:21

[g99]

Illusive Man... I never liked him very much... His a type of guy that makes you think Louis XIV "I'm the country..." and BLA, BLA, BLA... Don't understand me wrong his agenda is clear but very selfish and arrogant. I just hope that his cooperation with reapers and the fact that he placed a death sentence on Shapard will be well justified in the story.
I hope Shepard will have a choice to kill him in ME3.

[CoronadoRose]

Seboist wrote...

Here's a vid of the Shepard dies/base saved ending

TIM looks like he's wiping a tear at 9:16-9:21

When he goes back to sit down he does start to look very weary/sad. I don't blame him.

[Seboist]

CoronadoRose wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Here's a vid of the Shepard dies/base saved ending

TIM looks like he's wiping a tear at 9:16-9:21

When he goes back to sit down he does start to look very weary/sad. I don't blame him.

In the case of a Cerberus loyalist femshep he lost the most ideal woman he's ever laid eyes on. I'd be sad too.

Poor TIM.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Seboist wrote...

Here's a vid of the Shepard dies/base saved ending

TIM looks like he's wiping a tear at 9:16-9:21

Him sheading a tear would seem so un-TIM. 

He does seem to have a small moment where he ponders over Shepard´s death. Whether it is him just paying respect or rethinking whatever plans he had now Shepard is gone is up to the player.

[Alexnssilent]

laecraft wrote...

TIM's one of the best characters, because he, like Shepard, has a clear goal. Can't say the same about many others characters. Most of them, I'm not even sure what they're fighting for. That's why they follow the strongest leader. And since a character is defined by what that character wants, TIM's one of the finest.

Now, TIM's most eerie side is his manner of communication. He empathizes TOO well. Sometimes it achieves the opposite results. Shepard's got a bit of it, as well - see how his manner of speaking changes when he talks to Jack, for example - he adopts her phrasing and uses her words, like a chameleon. But that doesn't even come close to what TIM is doing.

TIM's practically a mirror. You don't get to see any of his true feelings or thoughts. He only responds to yours. Pick the Paragon options, and TIM will talk to you about what's good for the galaxy, about all the lives that need saving, and how you've already made a difference - smoothly like a politician reading from a pamphlet. Right in this conversation, pick the Renegade option, and TIM will shift instantly, telling you that surely you understand his methods, and that the end justifies the means, and that everything's paid off - curtly like a mercenary discussing the loot.

He adapts too well. He never loses control. He never betray his true feelings. Makes you think he isn't revealing his own goals to you and he only wants to convince you that he's like you, and that he can be trusted. It's enough to make even the most trusting person suspicious. It raises my hackles. I wish he'd lay off!

Even though I do believe him, he manages to make himself sound nefarious. This blatant manipulation never stops. He never trusts Shepard enough to have a normal conversation with him. He never relaxes. It gets on my nerves.

Sometimes he does say something that sounds genuinely sincere, but those moments are very rare and brief, and he interrupts them instantly, returning to his usual tight control, inscrutable like a machine. Have I mentioned how irritating it is?

No wonder that people want to ****** him off just to see some emotion from him, for a change.

As a result, I'm constantly on the edge, question everything he says (even when I actually believe it), and expecting a backstab (with a good reason, of course, but it only happened once, and I was jumpy the rest of the time). I can only hope that conversations with Shepard are as exhausting to TIM as they're to me, so we can share the discomfort at least.

One of the fun moments - TIM's conversation with Jacob, about Jacob's loyalty mission. TIM gets blamed for everything even when it's not his fault, and nobody believes him even when he speaks the truth. But it's a drawback of his image, I suppose.

The only other person who impresses me as much is Hackett in ME1. The man has a nerve. Shepard's been made a Spectre, with no obligations to follow the Alliance orders. And Hackett calls him and assigns him missions as if it's business as usual. And the most fun thing is, he manages to sound in such a way that it doesn't even occur to you to decline. He sounds authoritative, while he's nothing but a supplicant. That takes some balls. And that's not to mention that moment in the Arrival when he comes ON BOARD OF NORMANDY. I thought I'd pass out when I saw that. That man can bluff, I'll give him that. He walks like he belongs. And it never even occurs to Shepard to kick him out! Even though it most certainly occurred to me. That takes skill.

Then, of course, we have The Shadow Broker visiting the Normandy...that's even more eerie. I mean, come on, security, what security? Let everyone come here. Everyone's welcome! Ashley would've had a fit if she saw. Sad thing is, the Shadow Broker being on board of the Normandy is much less of a security risk than Ashley or Hackett, now. Everything's upside down.

And I got carried away again.

somebody shoot that damn waambulance

[Seboist]

Lizardviking wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Here's a vid of the Shepard dies/base saved ending

TIM looks like he's wiping a tear at 9:16-9:21

Him sheading a tear would seem so un-TIM. 

He does seem to have a small moment where he ponders over Shepard´s death. Whether it is him just paying respect or rethinking whatever plans he had now Shepard is gone is up to the player.

One interesting thing to note is that in the Shepard dies/base destroyed ending TIM isn't angry at all unlike in the normal ending where the base is destroyed. That leads me to believe that a lot of that anger stems from his disappointment in Shepard.

Modifié par Seboist, 25 août 2011 - 09:35 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Seboist wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Here's a vid of the Shepard dies/base saved ending

TIM looks like he's wiping a tear at 9:16-9:21

Him sheading a tear would seem so un-TIM. 

He does seem to have a small moment where he ponders over Shepard´s death. Whether it is him just paying respect or rethinking whatever plans he had now Shepard is gone is up to the player.

One interesting thing to note is that in the Shepard dies/base destroyed ending TIM isn't angry at all unlike in the normal ending where the base is destroyed. That leads me to believe that a lot of that anger stems from his disappointment in Shepard.

Sounds like a plausible reason.

[Ashwraith]

Seboist wrote...

Hopefully in ME3 he'll trust her enough to meet in the same (bed)room together and engage in a normal conversation.

I think if I walked into my quarters and TIM was sitting on the couch, I might drop dead from shock.

Not that I'd be averse to the idea, mind you- just sayin'. Brix.