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Yeah, the whole karma meter is pretty shallow. Even my most "Renegade" Shepard is one third "Paragon".

This game doesn't think I make "Paragon" choices with "Renegade' intent!


That's not to mention my frustration and disappointment when I blissfully played ME2 for the first time, making choices randomly, and then found myself unable to pass any persuasion checks. :lol:

So next time I played, I found myself worrying about it constantly (Morinth in particular, I can't stand not being able to resist her), and that was ruining my enjoyment, so I just hacked the game to give myself full bars, and then it was fun once again. If the player has to do this sort of thing to enjoy the game, something's broken.

Nothing gives you a "nooo" feeling better than seeing the dialogue wheel with both Paragon and Renegade persuasion options greyed out.

Modifié par laecraft, 27 octobre 2011 - 06:40 .


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I've been able to pass most persuasion checks without cheating with the exception of the Tali/Legion one which is impossible to do in all but the most renegade of my Shepards. The frustrating part is that besides the one line about getting crushed under Shepard's heel there's no real difference between the charm and intimidate dialogue.

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Ravensword wrote...

Like Random Cerberus Mook #67 who will be gunning for you along w/ most of Cerberus in ME3? The only people that Shepard cared about from Cerberus was everyone from the LAzarus cell and then you don't know if TIM will be an antagonist in ME3.


Shut up, man! Mook #67 had a wife and kids! We were going to surprise him with tickets to the Skyball Grand Championships for his 20th consecutive year with us. If only it hadn't been for that tragic accident involving the Cain and a shipment of surplus fuel drums...
Excuse me, I have something in my eye.


(Sincerity mode: Headcanon. Work with me here.)

Modifié par Ashwraith, 27 octobre 2011 - 06:43 .


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Hah, maybe it's not what Shepard says - but it's in Shepard's presence, the very aura. (blue or red one).

I think it's possible to pass it all, especially with the imported game, but that requires careful meta-gaming planning, and I don't enjoy this sort of challenge - it makes my eyes glaze over just thinking of it.

Hopefully they fixed that in ME3.

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I must say I love the discussions going on in this thread, even when they're not on TIM. I hope you guys don't mind the lurker! Posted Image

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Ashwraith wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Like Random Cerberus Mook #67 who will be gunning for you along w/ most of Cerberus in ME3? The only people that Shepard cared about from Cerberus was everyone from the LAzarus cell and then you don't know if TIM will be an antagonist in ME3.


Shut up, man! Mook #67 had a wife and kids! We were going to surprise him with tickets to the Skyball Grand Championships for his 20th consecutive year with us. If only it hadn't been for that tragic accident involving the Cain and a shipment of surplus fuel drums...
Excuse me, I have something in my eye.


(Sincerity mode: Headcanon. Work with me here.)


And now he's going to take his rage out on you, when you had nothing to do w/ that accident? You've never even met before.

Modifié par Ravensword, 27 octobre 2011 - 06:47 .


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Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I must say I love the discussions going on in this thread, even when they're not on TIM. I hope you guys don't mind the lurker! Posted Image


No harm in lurking as this is the greatest thread on BSN.

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   you guys set eyes on this  Cerberus is indoctrinated Posted Image

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iloveTali81 wrote...

   you guys set eyes on this  Cerberus is indoctrinated Posted Image

And ME3 won't have multiplayer, nor was there ever a PS3 version of ME2. ;)

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 27 octobre 2011 - 07:00 .


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Also, "Cerberus isn't out to kill Shepard, they just don't see eye to eye" then "Cerberus is out to kill Shepard". LOL

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I must say I love the discussions going on in this thread, even when they're not on TIM. I hope you guys don't mind the lurker! Posted Image


Hey. Stay with us, you won't regret it. Incidenly, have I ever elaborated on the many perks of being a Renegade, pro-Cerberus, and humanity-first? :D Join us, we are humanity.

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laecraft wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I must say I love the discussions going on in this thread, even when they're not on TIM. I hope you guys don't mind the lurker! Posted Image

Hey. Stay with us, you won't regret it. Incidenly, have I ever elaborated on the many perks of being a Renegade, pro-Cerberus, and humanity-first? :D Join us, we are humanity.

Oh, I'm here. I just don't always have something to add. Carry on. B)

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Renegade and pro-Cerberus is the real man's way of playing ME not that girly-man Paragon one.

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Hmm. If there are any newcomers here, welcome. Any intel we have on Cerberus in ME3 is in our OP.

Also, if someone missed the best post on this thread, take a look. It's Dave's, and it's highly entertaining.

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EDIT: Not about TIM, and too long as usual. Oh well, the pic can stay.

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Modifié par laecraft, 27 octobre 2011 - 07:34 .


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maybe Shepard thinks Cerberus is indoctrinated but The Illusive Man controls the reapers now

Modifié par iloveTali81, 27 octobre 2011 - 07:43 .


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laecraft wrote...

Hmm. If there are any newcomers here, welcome. Any intel we have on Cerberus in ME3 is in our OP.

Also, if someone missed the best post on this thread, take a look. It's Dave's, and it's highly entertaining.


This thread has gone down. That's what happens when you're a hardcore Renegade. Don't get mad. I'm only being real.

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Renegade and pro-Cerberus is the real man's way of playing ME not that girly-man Paragon one.


Indeed. Being a Renegade and pro-Cerberus has many advantages, however it requires real balls. If any Paragons are reading this, here are some perks:

Hackett's true nature will be revealed to you. Some Paragons still remain oblivious.

Vasir's wicked plans will be revealed to you. She's planning to blame her explosions on Cerberus. I guess when you show people your dark side, they're more willing to show you theirs.

You can experience the best romance in the series and one of the best human characters - Renegade Kaidan. Which is also one of the reasons to play Femshep.

You can tell the turian Councilor "depends on the species, turian." You know you want to.

What you did to Conrad Verner in ME1 will be canon in ME2.

You won't have to see Helena Blake become a social worker. *SHUDDER* (Please tell me that Shepard didn't really believe that story.)

You can publicly endorse Terra Firma, which is perhaps the only occasion in the game where you can use your status to publicly support any faction.

You don't have to be a total jerk to Mordin during his loyalty mission.

You won't have to play through Zaeed's Paragon path in his loyalty mission and pretend that nothing odd is happening to preserve your suspension of disbelief.

You get to sound proactive in conversations with TIM ("it was good to finally go toe to toe with the enemy"), instead of sounding like a victim and a pessimist ("I couldn't save everyone.")

You can headbutt Gatatog Uvenk. This alone should be enough to convince anyone to become Renegade.

If you're humanity first, in ME3, you will be motivated to go to the trial to save humanity from the war with the batarians. You will feel the drama when the Earth is attacked and you're forced to flee and leave humans to the Reapers. And you will be motivated to fight for the Earth, which is already very doomed. If you're not humanity-first, your stakes in ME3 are either undefined or low.

But of course, if you can't handle the tension, the pressure, and high stakes, don't be humanity first. Other species are not as concentrated on a single homeworld as humanity is, they're spread across the galaxy, it would take longer to wipe them out, and it's easier to save them when Harbinger doesn't want them for his new Reaper.

You get to fight your allies in ME3 - Cerberus - which is all very dramatic and tragic. If you don't care about Cerberus or even enjoy killing them, you're missing out on all the conflict.

Dare you walk the path of fun and drama, or do you hide in your safe blue Paragon bubble, where nothing can touch you, and the world bows to your feet because of your sheer awesomeness? And if fandom is equally divided, maybe the devs will be forced to create equal paths for both Paragon and Renegade.

Of course, if you don't have the guts to handle this, or can't trust anyone because you're too afraid of betrayal or rejection, better not be pro-Cerberus. Switch allegiances now, and break up with Cerberus before Cerberus has the chance to break up with you. Pro-Cerberus path does require real courage, not everybody has that.

Modifié par laecraft, 27 octobre 2011 - 08:45 .


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laecraft wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Renegade and pro-Cerberus is the real man's way of playing ME not that girly-man Paragon one.


Indeed. Being a Renegade and pro-Cerberus has many advantages, however it requires real balls. If any Paragons are reading this, here are some perks:

Hackett's true nature will be revealed to you. Some Paragons still remain oblivious.

Vasir's wicked plans will be revealed to you. She's planning to blame her explosions on Cerberus. I guess when you show people your dark side, they're more willing to show you theirs.

You can experience the best romance in the series and one of the best human characters - Renegade Kaidan. Which is also one of the reasons to play Femshep.

You can tell the turian Councilor "depends on the species, turian." You know you want to.

What you did to Conrad Verner in ME1 will be canon in ME2.

You won't have to see Helena Blake become a social worker. *SHUDDER* (Please tell me that Shepard didn't really believe that story.)

You can publicly endorse Terra Firma, which is perhaps the only occasion in the game where you can use your status to publicly support any faction.

You don't have to be a total jerk to Mordin during his loyalty mission.

You won't have to play through Zaeed's Paragon path in his loyalty mission and pretend that nothing odd is happening to preserve your suspension of disbelief.

You get to sound proactive in conversations with TIM ("it was good to finally go toe to toe with the enemy"), instead of sounding like a victim and a pessimist ("I couldn't save everyone.")

You can headbutt Gatatog Uvenk. This alone should be enough to convince anyone to become Renegade.

If you're humanity first, in ME3, you will be motivated to go to the trial to save humanity from the war with the batarians. You will feel the drama when the Earth is attacked and you're forced to flee and leave humans to the Reapers. And you will be motivated to fight for the Earth, which is already very doomed. If you're not humanity-first, your stakes in ME3 are either undefined or low.

But of course, if you can't handle the tension, the pressure, and high stakes, don't be humanity first. Other species are not as concentrated on a single homeworld as humanity is, they're spread across the galaxy, it would take longer to wipe them out, and it's easier to save them when Harbinger doesn't want them for his new Reaper.

You get to fight your allies in ME3 - Cerberus - which is all very dramatic and tragic. If you don't care about Cerberus or even enjoy killing them, you're missing out on all the conflict.

Dare you walk the path of fun and drama, or do you hide in your safe blue Paragon bubble, where nothing can touch you, and the world bows to your feet because of your sheer awesomeness? And if fandom is equally divided, maybe the devs will be forced to create equal paths for both Paragon and Renegade.

Of course, if you don't have the guts to handle this, or can't trust anyone because you're too afraid of betrayal or rejection, better not be pro-Cerberus. Switch allegiances now, and break up with Cerberus before Cerberus has the chance to break up with you.


You are creepy.

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Excellent post, Laecraft. I think Paragons do miss out in the sense that they get a much less interesting story. There's no tension or uncertainty in a Paragon universe.

I'm going to save your post in wordpad for future reference.

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It's kind of awesome.

Edit:

You also miss out on the dialogue from Jacob where you hear the Alliance covered your death and instead used you as a recruiting icon for six months before discarding you.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 27 octobre 2011 - 08:46 .


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Saphra Deden wrote...

Excellent post, Laecraft. I think Paragons do miss out in the sense that they get a much less interesting story. There's no tension or uncertainty in a Paragon universe.


Yeah, well you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man.

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laecraft wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Excellent post, Laecraft. I think Paragons do miss out in the sense that they get a much less interesting story. There's no tension or uncertainty in a Paragon universe.


Yeah, well you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man.


I hope it doesn't come as too much of a shock, but Saphra's opinion matters much more to me than yours, Ravensword.


ZOMG Noes! It must be b/c I'm not Canadian.