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Brotherhood of Cerberus - The Illusive Man Discussion/Support Thread

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 03:05

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Xilizhra wrote...

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4. They never question your actions or your judgments, even when they disagree.

Not never, in TIM's case.

He only insists upon his opinion over yours *once*, and that's because he revived you and funded your whole mission. I can only dream of a boss like that - although my boss IRL is not too far off (apart from funding).

Also, I take that you agree with 1,2,3,5,6,7,8 then? I'm glad. :-)

I think he insists it twice, the first being near Freedom's Progress and the second if you destroy the base.
And yes, Liara and TIM are rather similar. It's just that TIM does it all in a much more evil way.

I don't think he insisted anything in Freedom's Progress. If anybody insisted, it's BioWare.

Plus it'd be kind of heartless for you to run away just after somebody spent billions of credits to save you. You should at least get to know them a bit better first, no? Although I must admit opening fire on Cerberus right on Lazarus Station would have been hilarious. BioWare just didn't give us the chance to troll TIM in such a shameless manner.

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 03:11

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Xilizhra wrote...

He deliberately causes what is net harm to the galaxy for the sake of an esoteric goal, human domination.

A great many people (most Paragons included) are sure that they could forsee every outcome of every action in the whole universe. I would not be so confident, even if I were the great Commander Shepard. I am only confident enough to work with solid facts that I have personally witnessed or confirmed.

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 03:11

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Xilizhra wrote...

Define "evil".

He deliberately causes what is net harm to the galaxy for the sake of an esoteric goal, human domination.

Are you sure you aren't just projecting your irrational fear of men onto him?

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 03:14

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

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He deliberately causes what is net harm to the galaxy for the sake of an esoteric goal, human domination.

Are you sure you aren't just projecting your irrational fear of men onto him?

Ouch. :lol:

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 03:15

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As for world domination, nah. Not right now. Too much responsibility. To have the option would be nice though.


Alas. I thought... But of course, it's just wishful thinking. My mistake.

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 03:17

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As for world domination, nah. Not right now. Too much responsibility. To have the option would be nice though.


Alas. I thought... But of course, it's just wishful thinking. My mistake.

A few years earlier I would have eagerly said yes. But right now I'm a little jaded. :?

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 03:40

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

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Define "evil".

He deliberately causes what is net harm to the galaxy for the sake of an esoteric goal, human domination.

Are you sure you aren't just projecting your irrational fear of men onto him?

Read what I've said about Elthina and Tallis to disabuse yourself of that.

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 04:12

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Xilizhra wrote...

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Define "evil".

He deliberately causes what is net harm to the galaxy for the sake of an esoteric goal, human domination.

Are you sure you aren't just projecting your irrational fear of men onto him?

Read what I've said about Elthina and Tallis to disabuse yourself of that.

I never said androphobia was your only flaw or fear, it's just the most relevant one in this case.

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 04:50

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I never said androphobia was your only flaw or fear, it's just the most relevant one in this case.

I honestly don't know how you got my being androphobic out of my hating you.

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 05:07

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Xilizhra wrote...

I never said androphobia was your only flaw or fear, it's just the most relevant one in this case.

I honestly don't know how you got my being androphobic out of my hating you.

I didn't, at least not from that.

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 05:10

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Xilizhra wrote...

He deliberately causes what is net harm to the galaxy for the sake of an esoteric goal, human domination.


And protecting the universe, though I can see why that isn't important.

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 05:17

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Plenty can benefit from Human dominance like the Quarians, Krogan, Vorcha and even the Batarians. If they assist humanity against the three council races they'll benefit tremendously.

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 05:21

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Dave of Canada wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

He deliberately causes what is net harm to the galaxy for the sake of an esoteric goal, human domination.

And protecting the universe, though I can see why that isn't important.

:lol:

You, sir, are too much!

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 05:23

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Plenty can benefit from Human dominance like the Quarians, Krogan, Vorcha and even the Batarians. If they assist humanity against the three council races they'll benefit tremendously.

I highly doubt that. Racial dominance has never been beneficial to others if history is anything to go by.

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 05:24

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Blacklash93 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Plenty can benefit from Human dominance like the Quarians, Krogan, Vorcha and even the Batarians. If they assist humanity against the three council races they'll benefit tremendously.

I highly doubt that. Racial dominance has never been beneficial to others if history is anything to go by.

Don't think of it as dominance per sé, it's more like guidance.

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 05:30

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

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Plenty can benefit from Human dominance like the Quarians, Krogan, Vorcha and even the Batarians. If they assist humanity against the three council races they'll benefit tremendously.

I highly doubt that. Racial dominance has never been beneficial to others if history is anything to go by.

Don't think of it as dominance per sé, it's more like guidance.

I'm sure it has been put that way before by the ones commiting such oppression.

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 05:38

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I highly doubt that. Racial dominance has never been beneficial to others if history is anything to go by.


Which history? The history of humanity pre-mass-relays or the history of the galaxy? Because asari racial dominace has worked pretty well for the ruling species for millennia...until the real problems started, and the ruling faction hid their heads in the sand.

Now it's up to humanity to save the galaxy. Since asari-turians-salarians racial dominance won't do their job. And we need the proper tools to uphold galactic stability. We need the power to make decisions that alter trillions of lives...you know, that kind of alteration that makes them alive rather than dead, when the Reapers are here.

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 05:39

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The Vorcha in particular would benefit tremendously as a human client race. They'll gain access to a far greater standard of living and be free of a life of a slave, living in slums or being forced to join mercenary bands due to no other option available to them.

Quarians are another one, with the Asari,Turian and Salarian triumvirate gone they'll be able to reestablish diplomatic ties with the Citadel and given much needed colonization rights. They can also be assisted with smashing the Geth and retaking Rannoch if that hasn't been done already.

Krogans would be free of the Council orbital presence over Tuchanka and have the Genophage gradually reduced. They'll also be given colonization rights as a reward.

Batarians if they assist humanity can be reward by granting them colonization rights on the Verge.

Human Dominance = GOOD

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 05:49

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Many downtrodden species who have been thrown to the brink of destruction and are called "lesser species" by the current Council will benefit from our rule and will thrive under us. The Council doesn't care about you, but humanity does. We have much to offer, and unlike the Council, we deliver - quickly and efficiently. You want a problem solved, ask a human. Vote for us.

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 05:50

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Don't you all think thats a bit much? In the lore there still seems to be poverty and presumably other social ills still plaguing Earth and probably our colonies... but humanity will reverse every ill plaguing council space basically? That really seems a bit much.

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 05:58

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Seboist wrote...

The Vorcha in particular would benefit tremendously as a human client race. They'll gain access to a far greater standard of living and be free of a life of a slave, living in slums or being forced to join mercenary bands due to no other option available to them.

Quarians are another one, with the Asari,Turian and Salarian triumvirate gone they'll be able to reestablish diplomatic ties with the Citadel and given much needed colonization rights. They can also be assisted with smashing the Geth and retaking Rannoch if that hasn't been done already.

Krogans would be free of the Council orbital presence over Tuchanka and have the Genophage gradually reduced. They'll also be given colonization rights as a reward.

Batarians if they assist humanity can be reward by granting them colonization rights on the Verge.

Human Dominance = GOOD

The only difference between the human and alien councils is that we're proactive against the Reaper threat.

Humans are selfish, greedy, and power-hungry. We make mistakes often and are faulty in our judgement. Don't pretend we would not have made the same mistakes as the alien council.

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 06:00

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Too much? I hope ME3 doesn't come as too much of a surprise to you, then. Because Shepard's going to be solving every species' problem to gain their loyalty. Shepard's already fighting for the future of the krogan race, and that's just the beginning.

There's a difference between poverty and extinction. You can never completely get rid of social ills, since they're part of entropy which is part of life, but it's possible to greatly improve a species' quality of life with a single decision. Or make it significantly worse with a single decision. The Council has such power, they've done it before. Apparently Shepard has that power, too.

Nobody's going to micro-manage the species, they can take care of themselves once we drag them out of the abyss they've fallen to, since the Council didn't care to lend them a hand.

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 06:04

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That's lyke, populism dude

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 06:08

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Blacklash93 wrote...

Humans are selfish, greedy, and power-hungry.


You say it as if it's a bad thing. Helping other species isn't some kind of charity cause. We need them, and they need us. We can mutually benefit from this alliance. Both of us will become more powerful as a result.

We make mistakes often and are faulty in our judgement. Don't pretend we would not have made the same mistakes as the alien council.


Not THAT kind of mistake as letting the galaxy being wiped out, no.

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Posté 29 octobre 2011 - 06:11

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There's a difference between poverty and extinction. You can never completely get rid of social ills, since they're part of entropy which is part of life, but it's possible to greatly improve a species' quality of life with a single decision. Or make it significantly worse with a single decisio


some people believe you could largely improve the quality of life of those in poverty by certain changes in practice... but thats not realistic thinking is it? Its just just 'entropy' ; but, you can reverse the krogans situations--something thats been going on for hundreds of years-- with a simple decision? That doesnt make sense
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