6970 réponses à ce sujet

[CoronadoRose]

laecraft wrote...
*snip*

Hmm, that's not a lot of moments. My FemShep isn't at all sure that she wants to get involved with such an emotionally unavailable man. He only cares about his career. Granted, world domination is a good career goal (doesn't get any better than that, except for world destruction), but she's already dealing with plenty of machines on a daily basis. She wants some human interactions.

Pity that seduction is not in TIM's repertoire of persuasion and manipulation. Maybe he doesn't think he can pull it off using the holopad, and he doesn't want to risk a personal meeting. Risk nothing, gain nothing. Or maybe he didn't have enough practice with that. Probably was never desperate enough to resort to such measures.

Huh, I never thought of that. Him being an emotionally unavailable guy I mean. I always chalked it up to only seeing him in business situations. Would he act the same with people he's close to, like his family? I guess it's possible...though he certainly seems to have a pretty good handle on the art of seduction according to his dossier from the shadow broker. XD

Modifié par CoronadoRose, 26 août 2011 - 12:36 .

[Ashwraith]

TIM is very emotionally guarded. When you're in a position such as his, it's not safe or wise to be anything else- you simply cannot give people an opening (particularly one that obvious), because it's too easy to exploit.

Mind you, it isn't that he lacks emotion -the aforementioned moments, and the Paragon ending, are proof of that-, it's just that emotional ties are a luxury... one the leader of Cerberus can ill afford.

I do think he respects, and even admires, Shepard. He may even have formed an attachment, in his way. But I think it's probably asking too much for TIM to ever be open or honest with him/her. He just doesn't seem the type.

Modifié par Ashwraith, 26 août 2011 - 12:46 .

[CoronadoRose]

laecraft wrote...

CoronadoRose, I was only joking. But look at the number of people who blew up the Collector base just because they wanted to see TIM furious. He doesn't show much emotion during the game, no matter how badly things go. By the end of it, I was beginning to wonder if he was a highly advanced AI. You have to doom the galaxy to get the satisfaction of watching TIM briefly losing his cool.

Ahh, I see.

And they certainly got what they wanted. Boy was he pissed.

Modifié par CoronadoRose, 26 août 2011 - 01:32 .

[The Everchosen of Chaos]

Well I never played that ending, i was Cerberus poster boy for much of the game but he does show emotion even in the 'renegade' ending what with that big sardonic grin on his face at the end when you give him the base. I can't really see why TIm would want to kill you after spending billions bringing you back to life and months of trying to win your trust. it makes even less sense if you give him the base and like TIm said "Shepard's an Icon, a symbol and Humanity needs heroes", so surely it's better for TIm to have Shepard on his side and Cerberus side in the coming war?

I think it's personally bad writing on bioware side to do away all the hard work in ME 2 by having 'gosh, surprise Cerberus is after you and they were evil all along' song. blah it may yet change for the better come spring.

[CoronadoRose]

The Everchosen of Chaos wrote...

Well I never played that
ending, i was Cerberus poster boy for much of the game but he does show
emotion even in the 'renegade' ending what with that big sardonic grin
on his face at the end when you give him the base. I can't really see
why TIm would want to kill you after spending billions bringing you back
to life and months of trying to win your trust. it makes even less
sense if you give him the base and like TIm said "Shepard's an Icon, a
symbol and Humanity needs heroes", so surely it's better for TIm to have
Shepard on his side and Cerberus side in the coming war?

I think
it's personally bad writing on bioware side to do away all the hard
work in ME 2 by having 'gosh, surprise Cerberus is after you and they
were evil all along' song. blah it may yet change for the better come
spring.

I played a pure paragon the first time through, so that was the first ending I saw.

And yep, I agree. I hope it doesn't end too badly for us TIM/Cerberus fans.

Modifié par CoronadoRose, 26 août 2011 - 02:35 .

[The Everchosen of Chaos]

While there's hope left, the dream may yet live. seriously I thought that ME 3 is supposed take all variables and choices and give different results every time, so what's up with this cerberus hunting shepard crap? I'm starting think that bioware bit off more than they could manage and decided to scrap the RPG and just go with the shooter element cos that all I've been seeing from E3 and Comic-Con so far.

[Ashwraith]

I too got the Paragon ending, then felt so horribly guilty that I quick-reloaded.
Haven't looked back since. >.>

Oh, Ash, a pushover is you.

I'm still holding out for a schism between the main bulk of Cerberus and its leader. The writers have gone on record as saying he hasn't been indoctrinated (here read 'his mind is his own'), though of course that could always be a red herring. And if the rough outline of the next ME novel is any indication, he's still alive in the future.
So that's my theory, and I'm sticking to it until the game torpedoes it straight out of the water, as usual.

...Wait, Gillian is still a kid in the current timeline, right? Been a while since I read those books.

Modifié par Ashwraith, 26 août 2011 - 02:45 .

[CoronadoRose]

The Everchosen of Chaos wrote...

While there's hope left, the dream may yet live. seriously I thought that ME 3 is supposed take all variables and choices and give different results every time, so what's up with this cerberus hunting shepard crap? I'm starting think that bioware bit off more than they could manage and decided to scrap the RPG and just go with the shooter element cos that all I've been seeing from E3 and Comic-Con so far.

Yeah, I remember them saying that "because it was the final game for this story arc" they could have the storylines "diverge wildly in different directions" depending on your choices in the first two. I also hope they haven't scrapped that idea, it sounded great.

Ashwraith wrote...

I too got the Paragon ending, then felt so horribly guilty that I quick-reloaded.
Haven't looked back since. >.>

Oh, Ash, a pushover is you.

I'm still holding out for a schism between the main bulk of Cerberus and its leader. The writers have
gone on record as saying he hasn't been indoctrinated (here read 'his
mind is his own'), though of course that could always be a red herring.
And if the rough outline of the next ME novel is any indication, he's
still alive in the future.
So that's my theory, and I'm sticking to it until the game torpedoes it straight out of the water, as usual.

...Wait, Gillian is still a kid in the current timeline, right? Been a while since I read those books.

Me too. I also hope they are telling the truth in regards to him not being indoctrinated. That would just turn him into Saren 2.0 and would also just be a cheap, lazy way out.

I honestly hope they give everyone what they want in regards to TIM. I hope the people who want to can kill him (the battle better be epic though, no excuse if it's not Bioware), the ones that want him to be an ally can and the people who want to romance him can do that too. That would be awesome. Of course, I'm preparing myself for it if I hear that they made the first choice the only choice.

I haven't read any of the novels or comics, are any of them good?

Modifié par CoronadoRose, 26 août 2011 - 03:51 .

[rpgfan321]

CoronadoRose wrote...

I honestly hope they give everyone what they want in regards to TIM. I hope the people who want to can kill him (the battle better be epic though, no excuse if it's not Bioware), the ones that want him to be an ally can and the people who want to romance him can do that too. That would be awesome. Of course, I'm preparing myself for it if I hear that they made the first choice the only choice.

I haven't read any of the novels or comics, are any of them good?

I read the books after I read that article about the top ten things from tie-ins. I've been meaning to prior, but eh. The novels are a fun, time-waster. It will only interest you if you are a Mass Effect fan. Other than that (like a massive general sci-fi fan) than ... imo, no it will not. Although by happy chance I stumbled on upon Mr. Drew Karpyshyn's Star Wars novels - about Darth Bane - and I throughly enjoyed it because I am a fan of the dark side.  
If you are a TIM fan, I recommend Revelations because TIM is a key player. Then again characters from Ascension play critical roles.... soo I don't know... read the summary of it? Each are around ~400  pages and I got through them pretty quick. The paperback version, the texts aren't that small - rather big - so in short they are a quick read. Borrow them from the public library. 

Ashwraith wrote...

...Wait, Gillian is still a kid in the current timeline, right? Been a while since I read those books.

She's like around 13 years old by ME3, right? I think she is a teen. I read somewhere that's when Deception takes place. 

I really hope TIM doesn't becomes some boss fight my Shep have to fight through. Like TIM goes into one of uber ATLAS and attacks Shep and her crew. That would be anticlimatic of what I think of TIM. I just want a looong conversation getting answer and whatnot. But I kind of want it face-to-face instead of quantum entanglement device. Visit his secret, evil lair... a staring contest .... pfft. I just don't want every conflict to end in a massive gunfight. The same amount of tension can be found in rivarly talk, too. :happy:

[CoronadoRose]

rpgfan321 wrote...
I read the books after I read that article about the top ten things from tie-ins. I've been meaning to prior, but eh. The novels are a fun, time-waster. It will only interest you if you are a Mass Effect fan. Other than that (like a massive general sci-fi fan) than ... imo, no it will not. Although by happy chance I stumbled on upon Mr. Drew Karpyshyn's Star Wars novels - about Darth Bane - and I throughly enjoyed it because I am a fan of the dark side.  
If you are a TIM fan, I recommend Revelations because TIM is a key player. Then again characters from Ascension play critical roles.... soo I don't know... read the summary of it? Each are around ~400  pages and I got through them pretty quick. The paperback version, the texts aren't that small - rather big - so in short they are a quick read. Borrow them from the public library. 

Thanks. Sounds like I should give them a try.

I haven't read any Star Wars novels in a while...maybe I should try the Darth Bane novels too.

Modifié par CoronadoRose, 26 août 2011 - 06:22 .

[ubermensch007]

The Illusive Man is pretty cool...

But he's NO Keyser Söze...
.http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRn9gmwyddvU_e02Y-dXdJNvsSP3F4r5k_1wso0sHJUqbPHr1hP&t=1

I was watching The Usual Suspects on NetFlix the other day (I haven't seen this movie in years) and - Damn if he isn't still one of - if not the best Anti-Hero or Criminal Mastermind - whatever you want to call him: ever wriiten of...

If you all are unfamiar with his story - Here's a sample of it:

Söze's past is unknown, but the story told by Roger "Verbal" Kint (Kevin Spacey) has Söze as a low-level drug dealer beginning his criminal career in his native Turkey.The entity that is Keyser Söze is truly born, however, when rival Hungarian smugglers invade his house while he is away, rape his wife and hold his children hostage; when Söze arrives, they kill one of the children to show him their resolve, then threaten to kill his wife and
remaining children if he does not surrender his business to them. Rather than give in to their demands, and to prevent his family from having to live with the memory of what has happened, he murders his loved ones
and all but one of the Hungarians, whom he spares, knowing that the survivor would tell the mafia what has happened.

Söze then goes after the mob, killing dozens of people, including the mobsters' families, friends and even people who owe them money, as well as destroying their homes and businesses. He then goes "underground,"
never again doing business in person and remaining invisible even to his henchmen, who almost never know for whom they are working. One of the most famous lines from the movie, spoken by Kint, is:
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist."

As cool as T.I.M. is.When BioWare get's around to making Mass Effect 4.They so should create a
Keyser Söze like character.I have no doubt that he would thrive in the Terminus Systems.Aria T Loak doesn't respect TIM.But I'm pretty sure that she - Krogan - and even the Batarians would Respect Mr.Soze...

He is just Bad Ass.He has great courage and is hyper-quick witted.

Modifié par ubermensch007, 26 août 2011 - 07:44 .

[Seboist]

Ashwraith wrote...

I too got the Paragon ending, then felt so horribly guilty that I quick-reloaded.
Haven't looked back since. >.>

Oh, Ash, a pushover is you.

I'm still holding out for a schism between the main bulk of Cerberus and its leader. The writers have gone on record as saying he hasn't been indoctrinated (here read 'his mind is his own'), though of course that could always be a red herring. And if the rough outline of the next ME novel is any indication, he's still alive in the future.
So that's my theory, and I'm sticking to it until the game torpedoes it straight out of the water, as usual.

...Wait, Gillian is still a kid in the current timeline, right? Been a while since I read those books.

I once did a Paragon playthrough and destroyed the base and it was the most painful thing I ever did in ME. Watching the boss get angry like that made me feel like such a douche.

[jbblue05]

Seboist wrote...

Ashwraith wrote...

I too got the Paragon ending, then felt so horribly guilty that I quick-reloaded.
Haven't looked back since. >.>

Oh, Ash, a pushover is you.

I'm still holding out for a schism between the main bulk of Cerberus and its leader. The writers have gone on record as saying he hasn't been indoctrinated (here read 'his mind is his own'), though of course that could always be a red herring. And if the rough outline of the next ME novel is any indication, he's still alive in the future.
So that's my theory, and I'm sticking to it until the game torpedoes it straight out of the water, as usual.

...Wait, Gillian is still a kid in the current timeline, right? Been a while since I read those books.

I once did a Paragon playthrough and destroyed the base and it was the most painful thing I ever did in ME. Watching the boss get angry like that made me feel like such a douche.

Paragon shep is the biggest doucher in the galaxy:whistle:

[Seboist]

jbblue05 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Ashwraith wrote...

I too got the Paragon ending, then felt so horribly guilty that I quick-reloaded.
Haven't looked back since. >.>

Oh, Ash, a pushover is you.

I'm still holding out for a schism between the main bulk of Cerberus and its leader. The writers have gone on record as saying he hasn't been indoctrinated (here read 'his mind is his own'), though of course that could always be a red herring. And if the rough outline of the next ME novel is any indication, he's still alive in the future.
So that's my theory, and I'm sticking to it until the game torpedoes it straight out of the water, as usual.

...Wait, Gillian is still a kid in the current timeline, right? Been a while since I read those books.

I once did a Paragon playthrough and destroyed the base and it was the most painful thing I ever did in ME. Watching the boss get angry like that made me feel like such a douche.

Paragon shep is the biggest doucher in the galaxy:whistle:

Indeed, risking armaggedon to save the council and destroying vital technology like the Collector base just to satisfy his deluded self-rightousness and ego.

What a douche.

[Ieldra]

Seboist wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...
Paragon shep is the biggest doucher in the galaxy:whistle:

Indeed, risking armaggedon to save the council and destroying vital technology like the Collector base just to satisfy his deluded self-rightousness and ego.

What a douche.

Yeah. Sad that you have to visit threads few people read to find this self-evident truth voiced without a barrage of angry denials.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 26 août 2011 - 11:57 .

[Seboist]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...
Paragon shep is the biggest doucher in the galaxy:whistle:

Indeed, risking armaggedon to save the council and destroying vital technology like the Collector base just to satisfy his deluded self-rightousness and ego.

What a douche.

Yeah. Sad that you have to visit threads few people read to find this self-evident truth voiced without a barrage of angry denials.

I wish Paragon wasn't portrayed as being such a naive idealistic do gooder boyscout that's motivated by self-rightousness and taking blind leaps of faith. I hated how the Rachni Queen didn't even offer any future assistance in ME1 to better justify letting her go and it boils down to touchy feely morality.

If were up to me the two paths would be more like picking between space batman and space punisher like in the end of Jacob's LM. :happy:

[Ashwraith]

Seboist wrote...

Indeed, risking armaggedon to save the council and destroying vital technology like the Collector base just to satisfy his deluded self-rightousness and ego.

What a douche.

I think it's very interesting what some of your companions have to say about keeping (or destroying) the Collector base, should you bring them along. I think Legion phrased it best:

"Shepard-Commander, this facility is data. It has no inherent ethical value. Destroying it will not return those lost. Keeping it may save others."

(Here are all the other responses, if you're interested. Hell, even Garrus tells you to keep the damn thing, which is why how all their opinions seem to have changed once you get back on the Normandy pisses me off so much. Whee, run-on sentence.)

[Seboist]

Yeah, I've seen all the responses(I have them saved to a doc on the comp) and it's one of my most noted grievances with the renegade path. My gut feeling is that it's a clumsy attempt by the devs to say "renegades you ****ed up".

That and Miranda resigning out of the blue if Shepard decides to destroy it were bad omens of whats to come in ME3.

[CoronadoRose]

laecraft wrote...

One of the most fun messages Shepard can ever receive from TIM concerns Firepower Pack. I laughed so hard when I read about EDI reprimanding TIM for his obsession with cutting edge technologies.

I have never seen that before. Good to see he took EDI's words to heart. Also, the "Good hunting" at the end is killing me right now. XD No idea why, it just is.

On a sidenote, is it ever explained who exactly created EDI? Cerberus scientists, or TIM himself? Both? I'm guessing the former, but I was just curious.

[Seboist]

CoronadoRose wrote...

laecraft wrote...

One of the most fun messages Shepard can ever receive from TIM concerns Firepower Pack. I laughed so hard when I read about EDI reprimanding TIM for his obsession with cutting edge technologies.

I have never seen that before. Good to see he took EDI's words to heart. Also, the "Good hunting" at the end is killing me right now. XD No idea why, it just is.

On a sidenote, is it ever explained who exactly created EDI? Cerberus scientists, or TIM himself? Both? I'm guessing the former, but I was just curious.

Cerberus created her from technology derived from Sovereign's remains.

[CoronadoRose]

Seboist wrote...
Cerberus created her from technology derived from Sovereign's remains.

Cerberus scientists then, thought so. Thanks Seboist.

[rpgfan321]

I wonder, in ME's future, cancer is cured because at every conversation with TIM I think 'how can a man not be sick when he smokes so much?' Jeez... and his cigarettes never run out. ^.^
I thought cigars would be to his liking because those are more expensive?

[Seboist]

rpgfan321 wrote...

I wonder, in ME's future, cancer is cured because at every conversation with TIM I think 'how can a man not be sick when he smokes so much?' Jeez... and his cigarettes never run out. ^.^
I thought cigars would be to his liking because those are more expensive?

The Retribution novel states that lung cancer is no longer a problem.