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[Blacklash93]

Seboist wrote...

Applying orgnanic standards to synthetics is racist.

If you think you're one to judge the value of different forms of life, then go right ahead.

[Sebby]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Applying orgnanic standards to synthetics is racist.

If you think you're one to judge the value of different forms of life, then go right ahead.

Are you saying you're disagreeing with Legion?

[Blacklash93]

Seboist wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Applying orgnanic standards to synthetics is racist.

If you think you're one to judge the value of different forms of life, then go right ahead.

Are you saying you're disagreeing with Legion?

Legion respects all forms of life, despite their flaws.

[Radahldo]

I'll disagree with Legion that line has always bothered me cause thats more ethnocentric than anything. Though I think thats just a misunderstanding by the writer  on definitions.

Modifié par Radahldo, 29 octobre 2011 - 07:54 .

[Dave of Canada]

Blacklash93 wrote...

First off, Legion doesn't want you to do it. He's torn on the issue. If that's definitely what he wanted, then Shepard woudn't have been the one to make the choice.

Except he's the one who brings up the brainwashing, he was "torn" but he brought it up and was the one doing the brainwashing.

Legion was saving lives too when dealing with the heretics. The Reapers have less support and the heretics will no longer pose a threat to the main faction of geth, as they were trying to brainwash them initially.

Which happens if you blow them up, the only difference being that we're removing possibly harmful variables (how will the main geth handle taking in the experiences of the heretics? ect ect) and we don't strengthen the main Geth.

[Sebby]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Applying orgnanic standards to synthetics is racist.

If you think you're one to judge the value of different forms of life, then go right ahead.

Are you saying you're disagreeing with Legion?

Legion respects all forms of life, despite their flaws.

Renegade Shepard: If this were an organic race, this would be an ethical problem. Geth aren't like organic life. Don't apply our morality to them.

Legion: That is Logical.

*Generic comment from other squadmate*

Legion: No two species are identical. All must be judged on their own merits. Treating every race like one's own is racist. Even benign anthropomorphism.

Legion:  The minds of both forms of life can be shaped. Organics require time and effort. With synthetics, replacement of a data file is the only requirement.

[Esbatty]

Why does everyone assume "Legion" is a "he".

[Xilizhra]

Humanity makes Shepard what he is, provides him with the training, ship, crew, weapons, mission, motive, reason to fight. Shepard does not exist in the vacuum. The alien species do not sponsor Shepard's fight. Humanity does.

Good to know. I shall use this to protect humanity along with everyone else.

Do you still remember what color your blood is? Or have you forgotten whom you owe your current position and your very life? TWICE?

Irrelevant. What they've done in the past for me personally doesn't excuse their other actions (this being Cerberus, not humanity). And my blood is just liquid.

I don't think he can choose what's "best" for them, per se. They will allow him to help. You can say what you like about politics, but the fact remains that if things were left to the alien Council, the galaxy would've been ashes by now. Someone has to be in charge, unless you're suggesting anarchy, and that better not be the species who nearly got us all killed.

Issues of seeing the Reapers or not are cultural, not species. Udina was just as bad about it as the Councilors, and he was the one who actually locked down the Normandy and nearly killed everyone. Shepard being human is pure happenstance; all that makes Shepard Shepard is being able to endure the beacon, which Saren could also do.

This is not about who's free of all vices. No one is a saint. This is about who is strong and badass enough to drag us all out of Tartarus, with all our flaws and all our virtures and all our potential.

Shepard and various others, several of whom aren't human.

And not everybody deserves a voice, no. You have to earn it by being useful to the galaxy somehow. Hopefull you're not suggesting putting the Reapers on the Council, like it looks from your comment. Or yahg. Or heretic geth. Or pre-ME1 rachni.

So you're exactly like the previous Council in ethos, then, just have possibly mildly different standards. Good to know.

Also, humans aren't going to help quarians or vorcha; humans hate them just as much as everyone else. Krogan have to work out their issues internally, and if they become a power before that, regardless of what means, they'll be a threat again.

[Sebby]

Esbatty wrote...

Why does everyone assume "Legion" is a "he".

For the same reason EDI is assumed to be a "she".

[SandTrout]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Applying orgnanic standards to synthetics is racist.

If you think you're one to judge the value of different forms of life, then go right ahead.

We already do. How many defenseless plants had to die to make your salad?

[Xilizhra]

SandTrout wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Applying orgnanic standards to synthetics is racist.

If you think you're one to judge the value of different forms of life, then go right ahead.

We already do. How many defenseless plants had to die to make your salad?

If it was fruit salad, none.

[Sebby]

Plants want their fruits to produce their young not to feed animals. You aborted many plant fetuses by doing that.

[Xilizhra]

Seboist wrote...

Plants want their fruits to produce their young not to feed animals. You aborted many plant fetuses by doing that.

If all seeds grew into new plants, they'd exhaust the soil rather fast and doom all the plants. I'm practicing selective reduction.

[Sebby]

You're also depriving other animal life from eating the fruits of new plants by not uh emptying yourself over land. I hope you're able to sleep well at night with how you've ruined so many lives.

[Ravensword]

laecraft wrote...

I wonder if we'll be allowed to choose how to respond when the Alliance or the Council offer their unwelcome opinion on Cerberus in ME3. What if Shepard takes control again, like at the end of ME2? I want to be able to defend Cerberus' honor.

Well. Hopefully I'll be able to challenge to a duel any TIM detractors in ME3, as a renegade interrupt. I'd enjoy that more than any battle against Cerberus troops. That'd teach the galaxy to speak of Cerberus with respect in my Shepard's presence quickly enough. And if it doesn't...I guess there will be a lot of duels.

Oh well, one can dream.

You don't even know if TIM is even going to be indoctrinated or not. Hell, he could've been indoctrinated since coming into contact w/ that Reaper artifact but nobody knows until ME3 comes out.

Maybe you should cancel your preorder if you preordered ME3 b/c it sounds like you're just ready to be disappointed anyway. It's unfortunate that you're one of few players who didn't seem to accept the fact that Cerberus is an antagonist regardless of the short alliance Shepard had w/ them in ME2.

[Dave of Canada]

At the trial:

"You've been found cooperating with Cerberus and have killed hundreds of thousands of batarians, what do you have to say for yourself?"
PARAGON: I'M A SPECTRE.
NEUTRAL: Nothing.
RENEGADE: IT'S NOT MY FAULT YOU CAN'T GET OFF YOUR ASS AND DO ANYTHING IMPORTANT, UNLIKE CERBERUS.

[Ravensword]

Dave of Canada wrote...

At the trial:

"You've been found cooperating with Cerberus and have killed hundreds of thousands of batarians, what do you have to say for yourself?"
PARAGON: I'M A SPECTRE.
NEUTRAL: Nothing.
RENEGADE: IT'S NOT MY FAULT YOU CAN'T GET OFF YOUR ASS AND DO ANYTHING IMPORTANT, UNLIKE CERBERUS.

This is satisfactory.

[Ravensword]

laecraft wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

You don't even know if TIM is even going to be indoctrinated or not. Hell, he could've been indoctrinated since coming into contact w/ that Reaper artifact but nobody knows until ME3 comes out.

I don't care if he's indoctrinated or not. I don't care what Cerberus is going to do in ME3. I still want an option to defend TIM's honor.

Maybe you should cancel your preorder if you preordered ME3 b/c it sounds like you're just ready to be disappointed anyway. It's unfortunate that you're one of few players who didn't seem to accept the fact that Cerberus is an antagonist regardless of the short alliance Shepard had w/ them in ME2.

Your unasked-for advice has been noted. *renegade interrupt*

Oh, well. ME3 is gonna suck for you.

Modifié par Ravensword, 30 octobre 2011 - 09:51 .