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[Kaiser Shepard]

We already knew you cared nothing about nor had the ability to empathise with people you don't necessarily agree with, Xil.

You're kind of predictable that way, as well as resembling a selfish brat.

[Xilizhra]

It's not what TIM thinks. My post is not TIM's thought. It's logic. Employee-employer contract. I believe that remains largely the same as it was in the 21st century.

I signed no contract. I made a verbal agreement to temporarily work for him. I highly doubt it was legally binding.

What they *should* do is first quit, hand over the SR2 and everything on it, and *then* blow up the base.

Also known as "egregious stupidity."

[Xilizhra]

We already knew you cared nothing about nor had the ability to empathise with people you don't necessarily agree with, Xil.

I can empathize well enough. He feels entitled to the base's power and may be paranoid about being unable to defeat the Reapers if he doesn't have it, though I'm unsure how much of that is related to the Reapers and how much is related to his own hunger for power. I just don't care because I see him as a delayed enemy at the very best.

[Sebby]

This was done by a fellow TIMmancer.

Oh my God.
It has taken far too long to start doing Mass Effect 2 fan-urtz.

I should've stopped crushing on video game characters when I turned like, 7.
ALAS
But uh yeah you know how I said David Bowie owned my panties before? My bad.
The Illusive Man owns my virtual panties.

And I demand that he be romance-able in ME3.

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[General User]

Is there something special about the base? I mean, Shepard captures some pretty wild Collector, Reaper,and geth technology over the course of ME2 that everyone hands over to Cerberus. The CB should just be the biggest example.

[Xilizhra]

General User wrote...

Is there something special about the base? I mean, Shepard captures some pretty wild Collector, Reaper,and geth technology over the course of ME2 that everyone hands over to Cerberus. The CB should just be the biggest example.

Regrettably necessary means to a mutually desired end. By the time I've gotten to that decision, I've beaten the Collectors. I don't need Cerberus anymore.

[Sebby]

General User wrote...

Is there something special about the base? I mean, Shepard captures some pretty wild Collector, Reaper,and geth technology over the course of ME2 that everyone hands over to Cerberus. The CB should just be the biggest example.

It's a reaper factory, has invaluable data, all that technology they trade with mercs that's ahead of the curve is in there and one important detail that's overlooked is that with the cloning facilities intact Cerberus could create their own Collector* army.

* For what it's worth Collectors were announced as some of the enemies we'll face in co-op.

[Sebby]

I would have kept the base even if Cerberus was a Batarian dominance group.

[Xilizhra]

The Council disagree. Everyone in the Galaxy (for example, VS, Tali, Anderson, Hackett, Toombs, Vasir) disagrees.

Shame about Vasir. Oh well, my ties with Cerberus no longer exist.

It's what a Paragon *should* do if her/his conducts are to follow the moral system she/he advocates ("fairness", or whatever it is called). It's not what I would do of course.

I undertake actions to lead to the best possible universe. This includes screwing over Cerberus, which is a much lighter action to take against TIM than outright killing, something I've done to many people whose crimes have been far lesser.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...
I can empathize well enough.

Hah, that's a laugh.

[General User]

Xilizhra wrote...

General User wrote...

Is there something special about the base? I mean, Shepard captures some pretty wild Collector, Reaper,and geth technology over the course of ME2 that everyone hands over to Cerberus. The CB should just be the biggest example.

Regrettably necessary means to a mutually desired end. By the time I've gotten to that decision, I've beaten the Collectors. I don't need Cerberus anymore.

The Collectors were never the real enemy.  If you needed Cerberus during ME2, what has changed by the time you get to the CB's reactor core that makes that no longer the case?

[Labrev]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

His property? What?

You (Shepard) are an agent acting on his behalf, fully funded and supplied by him, to defeat the Collectors. And since the Collectors are defeated, everything that the Collectors owned are now rightfully the property of The Illusive Man/Cerberus. The Paragon choice of blowing up the base is equivalent to a disgruntled employee sabotaging company property. 

Nah, I did what was right for him. Whether or not he, or anyone else, realizes he's better off without it.

[Xilizhra]

The Collectors were never the real enemy. If you needed Cerberus during ME2, what has changed by the time you get to the CB's reactor core that makes that no longer the case?

They had intel regarding the Collectors. The Collectors are no longer a problem.

Just because the contract was never signed, it doesn't mean it does not exist. Whether Shepard acknoweges or denies it, the tremendous debt does exist. Right during the first meeting, Shepard basically asks TIM what are the terms of the contract. TIM informs him that Shepard is here to fight the Reapers. That seals the contract. It's verbal, but no less powerful because of that.

And I can fulfill that by performing what he stated my purpose was: defeating the Reapers. If his goals change, or were hidden from me, it's not my problem.

[Xilizhra]

Cerberus enabled Shepard to fight his enemy - the Reapers - even from beyond the grave. That's a tremendous debt that cannot be denied, even though some people try.

Actually, by this standard, you should be forever loyal to your parents, regardless of their character, for giving you life in the first place. This is... frequently, dangerous and nonsensical.

[General User]

Xilizhra wrote...

The Collectors were never the real enemy. If you needed Cerberus during ME2, what has changed by the time you get to the CB's reactor core that makes that no longer the case?

They had intel regarding the Collectors. The Collectors are no longer a problem.

Call this crazy if you want, but it's conceivable that TIM  has withholding intel from Shepard regarding the Reapers.

[Xilizhra]

General User wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The Collectors were never the real enemy. If you needed Cerberus during ME2, what has changed by the time you get to the CB's reactor core that makes that no longer the case?

They had intel regarding the Collectors. The Collectors are no longer a problem.

Call this crazy if you want, but it's conceivable that TIM  has withholding intel from Shepard regarding the Reapers.

Perhaps. If he's dedicated to fighting the Reapers, he'll give it to me regardless.

[BlueMagitek]

If your ally is harming you, no matter how dedicated to that "common cause" you may be, sharing information with said ally is a poor decision.

[Xilizhra]

BlueMagitek wrote...

If your ally is harming you, no matter how dedicated to that "common cause" you may be, sharing information with said ally is a poor decision.

I was forced to do the same thing with TIM. Is TIM so weak that he can't do what he asked of me?

[BlueMagitek]

Xilizhra wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

If your ally is harming you, no matter how dedicated to that "common cause" you may be, sharing information with said ally is a poor decision.

I was forced to do the same thing with TIM. Is TIM so weak that he can't do what he asked of me?

TIM is your sponor, you are using his ship & his resources; the two relationships are not the same. 

But hey, if you'd like to spin it that way; how can you ask TIM to share information with you when you're doing all that you can to impede him?  If you were really dedicated to fighting the Reapers, regardless of your views on Cerberus, you would deal with the human dominance group after the Reapers have been dealt with; unless you view Cerberus to be worse than a species that has successfully culled a multitude of other species a number of times.

[Sebby]

Shepard has the IQ of an empty beer bottle so it's only natural TIM feels the need to withhold information from him/her. This is the same idiot who needs to be taught basic galactic history and compares the genophage to the FCW.