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[Dave of Canada]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Why do you meta-game like this?

It's all she can do.

[Xilizhra]

Yes they did.

Hmmm. Interestingly, this also means that the current Council didn't do that either, if the incident happened at the turn of the century. Only Tevos might have been involved; Velarn probably wasn't born yet and the salarian certainly wasn't. I do wish we knew how often Councilors were replaced...

So they "nip it in the bud" by doing nothing when hostile synthetics invade the region and attack worlds "officially" protected by the Citadel? You realize Ekuna happened before humans were even on the scene, right?

I admit to screwing up the timeline, but it also means that the current Council is innocent of it as well, and seems to have done nothing at all to hurt the quarians.

The Council didn't know because the Council didn't care. They deliberately don't know. Their deliberate ignorance on the matter is a shallow attempt to keep their hands clean. They're culpable. This sort of behavior is encouraged by them. Tela Vasir is another example.

Tela Vasir is slightly different in that she was trying to protect the Council and the galaxy as a whole. Saren was just exercising his own sadism.

That just isn't practical. Humanity is only race, it will never outweigh all the others put together. If it stands alone at the top it will always be on a smaller peak than the old Council. All the races together can challenge it, or at least make things difficulty. Thus the human Council will forever be more concerned with their welfare than the old Couuncil was as a matter of practicality.

The original Council has had far longer to spread itself around. It may take a while before a human Council could squash everyone else, but I have no doubt it would try.

Why do you meta-game like this?

Well, for the most part it was just not wanting to kill ten thousand people and screw with galactic politics in general, which I could know without metagaming.

[Sebby]

The Renegade (lack of) council is one of the biggest cut corners in ME2.

[Xilizhra]

Seboist wrote...

The Renegade (lack of) council is one of the biggest cut corners in ME2.

Reassuring to note, though, that humans are just as (apparently) useless as nonhumans in that position.

[Sebby]

Xilizhra wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The Renegade (lack of) council is one of the biggest cut corners in ME2.

Reassuring to note, though, that humans are just as (apparently) useless as nonhumans in that position.

Says a lot about an alien council that's just as "effective" as a non-existant human one.

[Xilizhra]

Seboist wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The Renegade (lack of) council is one of the biggest cut corners in ME2.

Reassuring to note, though, that humans are just as (apparently) useless as nonhumans in that position.

Says a lot about an alien council that's just as "effective" as a non-existant human one.

At least the old Council will listen to you, even if they don't agree. Their reliability is questionable, but I remain hopeful.

[HiroVoid]

Was it ever actually made clear if the renegade council is human-led or completely human?

[Sebby]

HiroVoid wrote...

Was it ever actually made clear if the renegade council is human-led or completely human?

There's conflicting information about it throughout ME2. If I had to guess, it's a human-led one.

[Dave of Canada]

Seboist wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Was it ever actually made clear if the renegade council is human-led or completely human?

There's conflicting information about it throughout ME2. If I had to guess, it's a human-led one.

Wanting all-human myself.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 31 octobre 2011 - 07:58 .

[Sebby]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Seboist wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Was it ever actually made clear if the renegade council is human-led or completely human?

There's conflicting information about it throughout ME2. If I had to guess, it's a human-led one.

Wanting all-human myself.

Don't we all? But since we don't see or hear from them then the three little pigs could be running the council for all my Shepard knows.

[Barquiel]

HiroVoid wrote...

Was it ever actually made clear if the renegade council is human-led or completely human?

The books and comics have a multispecies council. I guess there is no all-human council.

[Dave of Canada]

laecraft wrote...

Give us a few more years without the Reapers, and we will rebuild this galaxy for the better. This galaxy badly need fresh blood, enough of asari stagnation.

We'll need to manipulate the war to our advantage, though. A destroyed Earth isn't going to help us at all and we can't allow the Turian supremists to rule unopposed, we'd need to influence their casualties and make sure the Asari can't diplomatically turn everybody against the weakened Alliance.

[General User]

Why was the Council willing to send 'the Fleet!" into the Terminus to evict quarian refugees, but was unwilling to send it into the Traverse to fight an actual geth incursion?

That's easy: geth shoot back.

[aiDvEoN]

General User wrote...

Why was the Council willing to send 'the Fleet!" into the Terminus to evict quarian refugees, but was unwilling to send it into the Traverse to fight an actual geth incursion?

That's easy: geth shoot back.

Truer words never spoken

[Barquiel]

General User wrote...

Why was the Council willing to send 'the Fleet!" into the Terminus to evict quarian refugees, but was unwilling to send it into the Traverse to fight an actual geth incursion?

That's easy: geth shoot back.

I don't think Ekuna is in the Terminus Systems. I mean...the elcor colonized it.

[aiDvEoN]

Barquiel wrote...

General User wrote...

Why was the Council willing to send 'the Fleet!" into the Terminus to evict quarian refugees, but was unwilling to send it into the Traverse to fight an actual geth incursion?

That's easy: geth shoot back.

I don't think Ekuna is in the Terminus Systems. I mean...the elcor colonized it.

Its in the Hades Nexus, so the absoute edge of Citadel space.  The Council tried to weasel out of helping human colonies there that were suffering Geth attacks on the grounds that we took a risk by settling there, and any fleet action would antagonise the Terminus.

In other words, the borders of Citadel space are wherever the hell the Council needs them to be to suit them best.

[General User]

Word.

Remember Garvug? War went on for months and the Council just stood around looking worried, but when it was revealed that there was a prothean technology cache involved, they put the boot in... hard.

Modifié par General User, 31 octobre 2011 - 01:49 .

[General User]

Just as yesterday's "terrorists" have a way of becoming today's "local tribal leaders", I too would be surprised if the "ruthless corporatists"of Illium didn't end up becoming "pillars of the local business community" in that scenario.

Dean once called Illium and Noveria the places where the Council does all the things they like pretend are illegal.  I agree.

Modifié par General User, 31 octobre 2011 - 01:56 .

[BlueMagitek]

Xilizhra wrote...

Only one colony was in fact attacked, so the Council was completely right in its assumption that Saren would have to go stealthily after his cover was blown. A fleet could have perhaps destroyed the geth hitting Feros, but that would actually have been worse, because the colony would have remained under the Thorian's control in all likelihood and the Cipher would never be found.

The Council murdered no one, only threatened to attack.

I don't think so. It was only an opportunity loss, as opposed to the loss of freedom/sanity/life Cerberus has freely inflicted.

The Council destroyed the vast majority of geth forces beyond the Veil, and the geth haven't launched any major attacks in years.

If Cerberus performed an imitation of a Council act that would be utterly pointless if used against volus or batarians, yes.

I won't kill ten thousand people to usher in a less grateful set of successors who won't reform the government at all. And Terra Firma is worthless, not even commanding Cerberus' circumstantially useful resources.
And I don't plan on attacking, for reasons previously mentioned.

The krogan brought it on themselves, and continue to necessitate it with a continuously violent culture. Unless, of course, they'd rather be wiped out entirely...

If their situations are incomparable, don't compare them. You started this.

You lack Seboist's turgid evil, then. Good for you.

It's still completely irresponsible.  The investigation on Noveria, sure, that requires stealth.  Going to those Prothean ruins, sure, a few people.  But Virmire or Feros?  They deserved a fleet (I'll forgive Virmire because of faulty communication, but still).  

A threat that was taken seriously, if the Quarian reaction is any proof.  Out of spite, they then gave "their" planet to another species which already has a good amount, at least compared to the Quarians.  And no, the Council murders people all the time.

An opportunity loss?  Given how many times we see the Quarians attempt to recolonize, that's less of an opportunity loss and more of a slap to the face.  Cerberus' crimes are miniscule in comparison.

Sure, why not.

As opposed to letting everyone in the galaxy die?  That's rather horrid of you.  Those people on the DA are military; if they didn't want to put themselves in danger, they wouldn't have joined their military (or not taken such a prestigious position of guarding the Citadel). 
It matters not; it is one of the few times that Shep is allowed to use his influence.
Sounds racist.

Ah yes, the entire cultural warfare thing.  Let me guess, you'll also convince the Batarians to give up their slaveholding ways?  It isn't like the Krogan's hatred of the genocide caused any backlash against the Council, right? 

Their situations are comparable.  You're just placing ridiculous restrictions on them to defend your mindset.

You're calling someone evil?  You support terrorists. >_>