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Upon reading the spoilers, I'm happy they haven't transformed into generic vil- *reads about their activities and the puppy kicking*

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Damn, is it that bad?

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Dave of Canada wrote...

Upon reading the spoilers, I'm happy they haven't transformed into generic vil- *reads about their activities and the puppy kicking*


Please don't spoil it for me but how bad is it?

Is it Orisino-turns-into-a-monster-for-no-reason bad?

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Please don't spoil it for me but how bad is it?

Is it Orisino-turns-into-a-monster-for-no-reason bad?

Worse.

You'd be sorry to believe half of it.

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Lizardviking wrote...

Please don't spoil it for me but how bad is it?

Is it Orisino-turns-into-a-monster-for-no-reason bad?


Motivations for working against Shepard is reasonable, that's pretty much it. Most Shepards possibly can agree with their goals.

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Dave of Canada wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Please don't spoil it for me but how bad is it?

Is it Orisino-turns-into-a-monster-for-no-reason bad?


Motivations for working against Shepard is reasonable, that's pretty much it. Most Shepards possibly can agree with their goals.


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Worse.

You'd be sorry to believe half of it.


Okay, so which one is it? Really really bad, or reasonable?

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Lizardviking wrote...

Okay, so which one is it? Really really bad, or reasonable?


Reasonable motivations.
Really, really bad at what they're actually doing for no reason at all.

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Double posting pyramid quotes in the TIM thread isn't cool son. That kind of behavior prevents Kasumi from being bisexual and ending up on TIM's bed instead of Shepard's.


No! TIM can't have her!

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Dave of Canada wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Okay, so which one is it? Really really bad, or reasonable?


Reasonable motivations.
Really, really bad at what they're actually doing for no reason at all.


Okay so the idea itself is okay. But the execution is not?

Okay ... :blush:

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Sorry if I was being confusing. I meant it was really, really bad.

Not just Dragon Age 2 (no choices) kind of bad. But also "deliberately trolling their fans" kind of bad. On top of that it's all very cliche (people on BSN have 'predicted' the same plot points thousands of times over and used them to troll/insult each other).

Which makes me suspect that the entire "leaked plot" is a troll attempt. I mean why would an internal test beta contain the plot variables of the entire storyline? It makes zero sense.

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Lizardviking wrote...

Okay so the idea itself is okay. But the execution is not?

Okay ... :blush:


Let's see if I can't explain it any better.

Somebody wants to build a house, so he has this terrain and he can work on it.

Or he can decide he'll excavate it and hope for the best.

Cerberus is excavating.

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Sorry if I was being confusing. I meant it was really, really bad.

Not just Dragon Age 2 (no choices) kind of bad. But also "deliberately trolling their fans" kind of bad. On top of that it's all very cliche (people on BSN have 'predicted' the same plot points thousands of times over and used them to troll/insult each other).

Which makes me suspect that the entire "leaked plot" is a troll attempt. I mean why would an internal test beta contain the plot variables of the entire storyline? It makes zero sense.


People were able to get more stuff than this out of the DA2 demo. All this stuff does seem like a story Bioware would write, too.

Modifié par Rojahar, 07 novembre 2011 - 08:22 .


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iOnlySignIn wrote...

Sorry if I was being confusing. I meant it was really, really bad.

Not just Dragon Age 2 (no choices) kind of bad. But also "deliberately trolling their fans" kind of bad. On top of that it's all very cliche (people on BSN have 'predicted' the same plot points thousands of times over and used them to troll/insult each other).

Which makes me suspect that the entire "leaked plot" is a troll attempt. I mean why would an internal test beta contain the plot variables of the entire storyline? It makes zero sense.


For the same reason ME2 has details on a lot of scrapped content?

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So what's real and what isn't?

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People were able to get more stuff than this out of the DA2 demo. All this stuff does seem like a story Bioware would write, too.

I don't recall people extracting the entire plot of DA2 demo. Because they don't exist in that demo. For example nobody knew what Anders was going to do at the end of DA2. Nobody knew that certain party members might leave Hawke without being told to.

Yes, the sad part is, this stuff indeed seem like a story BioWare would write. I would not have said that before DA2.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 07 novembre 2011 - 08:34 .


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So what's real and what isn't?


Depends, they've confirmed the file is legit but have also said that some of is outdated / changed. Whether this means Cerberus kicks puppies or not, I don't know but I don't think they'd need to edit it much and it's probably the implemented story. What's most likely changed are companion roles as they weren't that great.

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For the same reason ME2 has details on a lot of scrapped content?

This "internal leaked beta" does not even have a character selection screen. It's purpose is to test basic gameplay mechanics, not to testscreen the entire plot to a sample audience and garner their reaction. Why would it contain the whole plot? It is the opposite of a finished final product such as ME2.

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It's not like the entire plot is written there for people to go in and read it, it's mostly written for people like level designers who'd need some context as to what exactly they'd need to build. They usually keep these in the game files, despite some of it not actually making it because it's too much of a pain to remove. Varies from company to company how they distribute it, though.

Also not impressed how the Renegade playthrough is called "Failure" in the devtools.

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Dave of Canada wrote...

It's not like the entire plot is written there for people to go in and read it, it's mostly written for people like level designers who'd need some context as to what exactly they'd need to build. They usually keep these in the game files, despite some of it not actually making it because it's too much of a pain to remove. Varies from company to company how they distribute it, though.

Also not impressed how the Renegade playthrough is called "Failure" in the devtools.


Like our great Cerberus blood brother Rojahar once said, Renegade should be renamed "wrong", "dumb" or "trolling".

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Dave of Canada wrote...

Also not impressed how the Renegade playthrough is called "Failure" in the devtools.


Are you serious? What the hell?

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Dave of Canada wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

So what's real and what isn't?


Depends, they've confirmed the file is legit but have also said that some of is outdated / changed. Whether this means Cerberus kicks puppies or not, I don't know but I don't think they'd need to edit it much and it's probably the implemented story. What's most likely changed are companion roles as they weren't that great.


So, the game is pretty much in beta stage. I wonder what tge companion roles have been changed to. I hope we don't get saddled w/ the VS and Liara for the rest of the game, while all of the other squadmates get crappy cameos.

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Dave of Canada wrote...

It's not like the entire plot is written there for people to go in and read it, it's mostly written for people like level designers who'd need some context as to what exactly they'd need to build. They usually keep these in the game files, despite some of it not actually making it because it's too much of a pain to remove. Varies from company to company how they distribute it, though.

Also not impressed how the Renegade playthrough is called "Failure" in the devtools.

Must....resist....urge to laugh....:lol:

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DarkSeraphym wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Also not impressed how the Renegade playthrough is called "Failure" in the devtools.


Are you serious? What the hell?

I can confirm this.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 07 novembre 2011 - 08:56 .


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Also not impressed how the Renegade playthrough is called "Failure" in the devtools.



Hardly surprising. The choice at the end of ME2 in the dev-tools referred to Cerberus as Nazi scientists.

I had hoped in the past that Bioware had a more balanced dev team.

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Dave of Canada wrote...

Also not impressed how the Renegade playthrough is called "Failure" in the devtools.



Hardly surprising. The choice at the end of ME2 in the dev-tools referred to Cerberus as Nazi scientists.

I had hoped in the past that Bioware had a more balanced dev team.


C'mon Saph, you of all people should know Bioware is run by blubbering idealist liberals at this point.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Also not impressed how the Renegade playthrough is called "Failure" in the devtools.



Hardly surprising. The choice at the end of ME2 in the dev-tools referred to Cerberus as Nazi scientists.

I had hoped in the past that Bioware had a more balanced dev team.

Again :lol:.  Talk about having no respect for a path you put in your own game.
Though I suppose I shouldn't be so harsh since this is still obviously something they didn't intend to get out.

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