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[Xilizhra]

Kratan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

These are all moves that were done without consulting the council or any authority on the matters (keep in mind, Shepard is only a commander. Even if s/he is the PC and possibly a SpecTRe, those decisions should not have been made by him/her).

You've badly misunderstood the purpose of the Spectres. They exist so that they don't have to run back to the Council to consult them on every decision. It would have been nice to do so for the rachni, but I had no option to do so. And I did have the legal power to do so, and to do everything in ME2, as I was reinstated as a Spectre and was basically given free rein so long as I didn't cause trouble for the Council in particular.

I see it as abuse of power. Shepard throws the entire universe into unbalance. The SpecTRes are there to act on behalf of the council, but Shepard takes it upon himself to make big decisions that don't preserve galactic stability. Killing the Rachni would have maintained the status quo, same for destroying the geth, but releasing and reprogramming both without knowing the consequences is just pragmatic. Calling that paragon is hypocritical. Tela Vasir made good points when paragon Shepard tried to defend his or her actions. 

It's not hypocritical. Making the call to completely obliterate an entire species and anything that could possibly be learned from them or their memory is far worse in the long run. And reintegrating the geth with the most intimate knowledge of the Reapers into the main collective is an excellent way to bolster the galaxy's defenses against the Reapers.
Paragon doesn't mean "always follows the rules." One could say that it's about doing what's right, but more specifically, it involves preserving life and making allies, not trying to match the Council in everything.

[Sebby]

Lizardviking wrote...

laecraft wrote...

BW makes universe bend to Paragons. And we do have a choice: to be Paragons or to be "failure."

Posts like this makes me sad.

Don't tell me it is this bleak in terms of P/R consequences.

Some of the Renegade decisions backfire for the most contrived reasons imaginable like with killing/capturing Balak.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Seboist wrote...

The issue with Jacob is that both his personality and backstory(what little you get of it) are utterly bland and he ends up being a brooder that says absolutely nothing of interest.

If he ended up being a buddy that the player could relate to due to having a similar background like Alistair then he would have been better received.

I actually found him to be quite a lot like Alistair, the game's bro of choice, just without the dorky sense of humor and childish reluctance to SPOILERS. I suppose that's what endeared people to Ali, though.

Lizardviking wrote...

laecraft wrote...

BW makes universe bend to Paragons. And we do have a choice: to be Paragons or to be "failure." 

Posts like this makes me sad. 

Don't tell me it is this bleak in terms of P/R consequences. 

It is, very much so.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 13 novembre 2011 - 06:43 .

[Sebby]

Some of the dialogue has Renegade Shepard lamenting that he's in a Paragon game, LOL.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Seboist wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

laecraft wrote...

BW makes universe bend to Paragons. And we do have a choice: to be Paragons or to be "failure."

Posts like this makes me sad.

Don't tell me it is this bleak in terms of P/R consequences.

Some of the Renegade decisions backfire for the most contrived reasons imaginable like with killing/capturing Balak.

Wait...

Denying evil terrorist the collector base = good.

Denying evil terrorist the chance to kill again = Bad

that is just...

Xilizhra wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

But not much more.

If you care about nothing but the mission, you'll get nothing but the mission.

There is alot of renegade decisions and etc. That does not deal with "the mission".

Modifié par Lizardviking, 13 novembre 2011 - 12:15 .

[Sebby]

Lizardviking wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

laecraft wrote...

BW makes universe bend to Paragons. And we do have a choice: to be Paragons or to be "failure."

Posts like this makes me sad.

Don't tell me it is this bleak in terms of P/R consequences.

Some of the Renegade decisions backfire for the most contrived reasons imaginable like with killing/capturing Balak.

Wait...

Denying evil terrorist the collector base = good.

Denying evil terrorist the chance to kill again = Bad

that is just...

Yeah, apparently Balak's capture/death results in a weaker Batarian space fleet that can aid Shepard. That's right, Balak becomes Paragon Shepard's great ally after some talk-jutsu!

Just when you think Bioware's writers can't be bigger hacks they drop something like this on our laps.

[Xilizhra]

Oh yes, sparing the rogue nutball who disobeyed the Hegemony's orders in the most flagrant way possible couldn't ever harm the Hegemony.

There is alot of renegade decisions and etc. That does not deal with "the mission".

Many of those involve trying for human supremacy, which will of course fail when your main backers turn out to be... this.

[Ieldra]

Seboist wrote...
Some of the dialogue has Renegade Shepard lamenting that he's in a Paragon game, LOL.

Really? Could you PM me the reference?

If the situation is that bad, then I guess there'll be lot of angry Renegades here when the game comes out. I'm more of a neutral, but I'll join the pitchfork-wielding hordes this time.

[Sebby]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Seboist wrote...
Some of the dialogue has Renegade Shepard lamenting that he's in a Paragon game, LOL.

Really? Could you PM me the reference?

If the situation is that bad, then I guess there'll be lot of angry Renegades here when the game comes out. I'm more of a neutral, but I'll join the pitchfork-wielding hordes this time.

It's just Renshep saying "Cerberus would have been a useful ally" and such. 

I would say the lamest aspect about the story is that one of the endings fulfills TIM's objective, which makes fighting Ceberus that whole time pointless for a renegade Shepard. Renshep fits ME3's story as much as Sonic the Hedgehog does Halo's.

Modifié par Seboist, 13 novembre 2011 - 03:44 .

[Ultai]

Seboist wrote...

Yeah, apparently Balak's capture/death results in a weaker Batarian space fleet that can aid Shepard. That's right, Balak becomes Paragon Shepard's great ally after some talk-jutsu!

Just when you think Bioware's writers can't be bigger hacks they drop something like this on our laps.

...

I...

Please, tell me you're joking...

[Kaiser Shepard]

Ultai wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Yeah, apparently Balak's capture/death results in a weaker Batarian space fleet that can aid Shepard. That's right, Balak becomes Paragon Shepard's great ally after some talk-jutsu!

Just when you think Bioware's writers can't be bigger hacks they drop something like this on our laps.

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I...

Please, tell me you're joking...

I'm saddened to tell you he's not.

And Balak's just the tip of the iceberg.

[Ultai]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Ultai wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Yeah, apparently Balak's capture/death results in a weaker Batarian space fleet that can aid Shepard. That's right, Balak becomes Paragon Shepard's great ally after some talk-jutsu!

Just when you think Bioware's writers can't be bigger hacks they drop something like this on our laps.

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I...

Please, tell me you're joking...

I'm saddened to tell you he's not.

And Balak's just the tip of the iceberg.

I can't help but laugh.  It's beyond the point of disappointment.  I can only laugh at the absurdity.

[John Renegade]

Ultai wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Yeah, apparently Balak's capture/death results in a weaker Batarian space fleet that can aid Shepard. That's right, Balak becomes Paragon Shepard's great ally after some talk-jutsu!

Just when you think Bioware's writers can't be bigger hacks they drop something like this on our laps.

...

I...

Please, tell me you're joking...

If you want to die early from a heart attack, I suggest you go to the ME3 Spoilers group. Over the last two hours or so me and a few others have managed to "dig some dirt" so to speak regarding several things, mainly Cerberus. You will be sick of it for a week I guarantee you that.

Modifié par John Renegade, 13 novembre 2011 - 10:25 .

[John Renegade]

Double post.

Modifié par John Renegade, 13 novembre 2011 - 10:24 .

[Xilizhra]

Ahh, the disappointment at the loss of the pain you'd hoped the game would inflict upon others... 'tis delicious.

[Sebby]

I'm sure we'll also find out that Elnora ended up running an orphanage...... that was later burned down by Cerberus of course.

[Ultai]

Yea, I can only take some of the things there in small doses. Things like Wrex's reaction to destroying maelon's genophage in me2 and the rachni, it makes me facepalm, but also manages to put a smile on my face.

[John Renegade]

Xilizhra wrote...

Ahh, the disappointment at the loss of the pain you'd hoped the game would inflict upon others... 'tis delicious.

The only thing I'm dissappointed of is how Bioware apparently forces their vision of right and wrong on us.

[Xilizhra]

Seboist wrote...

I'm sure we'll also find out that Elnora ended up running an orphanage...... that was later burned down by Cerberus of course.

Eh, it could happen. I'm surprised you didn't take to her more, but, wait, she's not human. Never mind.
Oh well, You'd have misunderstood her anyway.

[Xilizhra]

John Renegade wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Ahh, the disappointment at the loss of the pain you'd hoped the game would inflict upon others... 'tis delicious.

The only thing I'm dissappointed of is how Bioware apparently forces their vision of right and wrong on us.

Technically, a Renegade Shepard would never know that.

[General User]

I agree.

[John Renegade]

Xilizhra wrote...

John Renegade wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Ahh, the disappointment at the loss of the pain you'd hoped the game would inflict upon others... 'tis delicious.

The only thing I'm dissappointed of is how Bioware apparently forces their vision of right and wrong on us.

Technically, a Renegade Shepard would never know that.

Know what? That part with Bioware was about Bioware-player relationship, not about in-game Shepard, and Renegades (Shepard or player) have, believe it or not, their own vision of morality too.

Modifié par John Renegade, 13 novembre 2011 - 10:32 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

Seboist wrote...

I'm sure we'll also find out that Elnora ended up running an orphanage...... that was later burned down by Cerberus of course.

Eh, it could happen. I'm surprised you didn't take to her more, but, wait, she's not human. Never mind.
Oh well, You'd have misunderstood her anyway.

We would've done the exact same thing  if she were human.

We're not like you, holding your precious blue sub-humans to other standards than the rest of the galaxy.

[Sebby]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Seboist wrote...

I'm sure we'll also find out that Elnora ended up running an orphanage...... that was later burned down by Cerberus of course.

Eh, it could happen. I'm surprised you didn't take to her more, but, wait, she's not human. Never mind.
Oh well, You'd have misunderstood her anyway.

We would've done the exact same thing  if she were human.

We're not like you, holding your precious blue sub-humans to other standards than the rest of the galaxy.

The human eclipse merc that was tossed out the window in Thane's RM by my Shepard agrees with that statement.