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[Dean_the_Young]

Lizardviking wrote...

Really? Quite a coincidence.

I am not saying that Balak is incompetent. What he managed to do still takes some amount skill. It is just that I never saw him as a legendary leader that if lost, would devestate the Batarian hegonomy.

And remember. They had 2-3 years to replace him, AND FAILED.

It certainly does fail in the sense of 'cause and effect.'

If anything, killing Balak should protect the Batarian Hegemony's gambits, because you cut a loose end and didn't give the Alliance anyone to interrogate or pursue.

Letting Balak go, or capturing him for interrogation, should see the Alliance struggle more to weaken the Hegemony's proxies.

It's about as sensibly related a cause and effect as, oh, telling that criminal-lady to quit her life of crime, only to see her show up as an aid worker on Omega. Only a few magnitudes more 'really?'

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 14 novembre 2011 - 06:32 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
If anything, killing Balak should protect the Batarian Hegemony's gambits, because you cut a loose end and didn't give the Alliance anyone to interrogate or pursue.

Letting Balak go, or capturing him for interrogation, should see the Alliance struggle more to weaken the Hegemony's proxies.

Or Better yet. Bioware should have dealt with the Balak plotline in ME2 by combining it with the "captured Javaline misile silo" N7 mission.

Killed/Captured Balak? The mission will proceed as it usually goes.

Let Balak go? You find Balak at misile control but he has made sure that it is impossible to stop either of the misiles. Resulting in the destruction of  both the industrial complex and capital city.

It's about as sensibly related a cause and effect as, oh, telling that criminal-lady to quit her life of crime, only to see her show up as an aid worker on Omega. Only a few magnitudes more 'really?'

That was really silly but in the end a pretty harmless thing. The whole ordeal with Balak however...

[Dean_the_Young]

Lizardviking wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...
If anything, killing Balak should protect the Batarian Hegemony's gambits, because you cut a loose end and didn't give the Alliance anyone to interrogate or pursue.

Letting Balak go, or capturing him for interrogation, should see the Alliance struggle more to weaken the Hegemony's proxies.

Or Better yet. Bioware should have dealt with the Balak plotline in ME2 by combining it with the "captured Javaline misile silo" N7 mission.

Killed/Captured Balak? The mission will proceed as it usually goes.

Let Balak go? You find Balak at misile control but he has made sure that it is impossible to stop either of the misiles. Resulting in the destruction of  both the industrial complex and capital city.

I can't remember if Saphara or myself first started voicing that idea.

Side missions ruining side missions is a good way to get 'effects' without complicating the main story.

It's about as sensibly related a cause and effect as, oh, telling that criminal-lady to quit her life of crime, only to see her show up as an aid worker on Omega. Only a few magnitudes more 'really?'

That was really silly but in the end a pretty harmless thing. The whole ordeal with Balak however...

...however indeed.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
I can't remember if Saphara or myself first started voicing that idea.

Side missions ruining side missions is a good way to get 'effects' without complicating the main story.

Sorry about that. Forgot to add "credit goes to ... ".

[Dave of Canada]

It's done, I've cancelled my Mass Effect 3 preorder and I don't regret it. Mass Effect's writers have officially lost all respect from me, showing themselves as being competent enough to possibly post on fanfiction.net. Coming from the guy who's usually called the "Bioware Defense Force", this is probably going to make a lot of people smirk.

Rather than creating a game with anything morally grey. everything was devolved until it was black and white. We're treated like absolute idiots and forced to accept it, told ot deal with it by others. I'm not dealing with it, I refuse to accept the role of being the "failure".

Once the writers show they treat us with respect, I'll respect them back. Until then, I'll save my money.

[Sebby]

You've made a great choice Dave. These Paragon biased bastards and their politically correct tripe don't deserve a penny from any of us.

[General User]

I love Mass Effect, and I'm still going to buy ME3... eventually.

But if these leaks are truly reflective of the final product, then there's simply no way I can justify paying a premium price for it.

Modifié par General User, 14 novembre 2011 - 08:02 .

[Sebby]

If it turns out to be as bad as we'd feared and there's absolutely no way to save/work with TIM and Cerberus then I pray to Jubileus that this happens.

Modifié par Seboist, 14 novembre 2011 - 08:18 .

[Dave of Canada]

I don't want to see that, personally. There's not enough companies out there which do role-playing games, wanting to see them fail would simply harm my already scarce library. I'd simply want them to get their heads out of the sand, something which allows their bias to get the hell out and creating a game which everybody can enjoy.

I've still got hope for the Dragon Age franchise, at least they don't demonize players who go outside of the "lawful good" mold. That and Gaider loves bittersweet endings, something which I hope he'll abuse forever.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 14 novembre 2011 - 08:33 .

[John Renegade]

I will wait a little longer before cancelling my Collector Edition. But if a month before release I still won't have any clarification as to the Cerberus, TIM and other supposedly "grey" choices, I'm cancelling too, and maybe, just maybe I'll buy or rent the game some time after release.

If the game will end up being a disappointment, I'm finished with Mass Effect. I'm still giving some benefit of doubt to TOR, but if it will be like ME, I'm officially done with Bioware, at least until they're capable of writing a story where my choices actually matter.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Another thing that just got to me.

If Balak was that vital to the Batarian goverment, how in gods name did he ever get permission to go out in person on such a dangerous mission. And why would he not just have someone else do it for him (like a Batarian cmndr. Shep)?

It would be like if president Obama personally went along to shoot Osama.

[John Renegade]

Lizardviking wrote...

Another thing that just got to me.

If Balak was that vital to the Batarian goverment, how in gods name did he ever get permission to go out in person on such a dangerous mission. And why would he not just have someone else do it for him (like a Batarian cmndr. Shep)?

It would be like if president Obama personally went along to shoot Osama.

I'm trying not to think about it. (Both about Balak and that Obama hypothetical situation.)

Modifié par John Renegade, 14 novembre 2011 - 09:22 .

[HiroVoid]

Well, I'll still be buying this. I bought the collector's edition game and strategy guide of both previous entries. Plus, while there's stuff I don't like, there's still stuff I'm looking forward to as well.

[Sebby]

Lizardviking wrote...

Another thing that just got to me.

If Balak was that vital to the Batarian goverment, how in gods name did he ever get permission to go out in person on such a dangerous mission. And why would he not just have someone else do it for him (like a Batarian cmndr. Shep)?

It would be like if president Obama personally went along to shoot Osama.

This is a series where supporting a an ultra-violent race of man turtles who love war,killing,mutiliation and executing prisoners in gruesome manners (see LOTSB vids) is considered the "Paragon" choice. Sense clearly was never meant to factor into the equation.

[Xilizhra]

If that's your definition of Paragon and Renegade, that's even more simplistic than I had ever thought you'd go.

Allow me to clarify. Your morality doesn't shape the universe into matching it, it just shapes it in general.

This is a series where supporting a an ultra-violent race of man turtles who love war,killing,mutiliation and executing prisoners in gruesome manners (see LOTSB vids) is considered the "Paragon" choice. Sense clearly was never meant to factor into the equation.

Which makes it so unsurprising that it's the Paragon choice you support most.

You've made a great choice Dave. These Paragon biased bastards and their politically correct tripe don't deserve a penny from any of us.

Technically, no company "deserves" any money for making anything. But thank you all for telling me that you're canceling your preorders; for every one of you dropping it because of Cerberus whining, I'll buy two.

[General User]

Xilizhra wrote...
Technically, no company "deserves" any money for making anything. But thank you all for telling me that you're canceling your preorders; for every one of you dropping it because of Cerberus whining, I'll buy two.

Can I have one of those?

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

If that's your definition of Paragon and Renegade, that's even more simplistic than I had ever thought you'd go.

Allow me to clarify. Your morality doesn't shape the universe into matching it, it just shapes it in general.

The same sentiment still applies.

Technically, no company "deserves" any money for making anything. But thank you all for telling me that you're canceling your preorders; for every one of you dropping it because of Cerberus whining, I'll buy two.

Now now, Xilizhra. Lying is a sin.

[HiroVoid]

General User wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Technically, no company "deserves" any money for making anything. But thank you all for telling me that you're canceling your preorders; for every one of you dropping it because of Cerberus whining, I'll buy two.

Can I have one of those?

Me too. 

[Dean_the_Young]

Well, (un)fortunately Xil won't be buying one on my behalf. I'll enjoy Mass Effect 3 despite their handling of imports and Cerberus.

Plus, Dat Art Book. And DLC.


ME3 will just have my dis-satisfactions with ME2 on a larger scale. But the cons don't outweigh the rest of it as a whole.

[Dave of Canada]

Xilizhra wrote...
But thank you all for telling me that you're canceling your preorders; for every one of you dropping it because of Cerberus whining, I'll buy two.

Feel free to throw your money away.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 15 novembre 2011 - 12:29 .

[Sebby]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I don't want to see that, personally. There's not enough companies out there which do role-playing games, wanting to see them fail would simply harm my already scarce library. I'd simply want them to get their heads out of the sand, something which allows their bias to get the hell out and creating a game which everybody can enjoy.

I've still got hope for the Dragon Age franchise, at least they don't demonize players who go outside of the "lawful good" mold. That and Gaider loves bittersweet endings, something which I hope he'll abuse forever.

Meh, DA's story failed to captivate me for a second. I mainly played through DA:O for the few interesting characters like Morrigan,Alistair,Leliana,etc. It's the same kind of black and white ancient evil nonsense as ME, speaking of which the biggest disapointment I had with it is that the much hyped darkspawn mastermind turns out to be a Dragon and...... that's it. It had no more depth than a Ninja Gaiden end boss.

Then there's DA2.... and the less said about that game the better.

Modifié par Seboist, 15 novembre 2011 - 01:05 .

[Dave of Canada]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

You're no longer having fun arguing with metagamers and pure paragon players, eh?

They're not one and the same?

[Dean_the_Young]

Dave of Canada wrote...

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

You're no longer having fun arguing with metagamers and pure paragon players, eh?

They're not one and the same?

And now I even more want that whole 'let's see how far we can get Paragons to descend into depravity just for the blue points.'