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[CoronadoRose]

laecraft wrote...

I was just watching this little gem from bioware pulse. Old news (23 days ago), but just in case someone missed it. At 19:09 - they answer the question "Can we ally with Cerberus?"

The answer is, "LOL, ally with Cerberus? Cerberus is hellbent on taking Shepard down. You can't ally with people who want to kill you. That would be kind of counterproductive, wouldn't it. I guess you could ally with Ceberus - you just kill yourself. Just die in the game, stop playing, and good to go."

Sweet, isn't it? They're so funny. You people, who want to ally with Cerberus, just go kill yourselves. Honestly I can't help but laugh at this.

Anyway, I think this answers the question of whether or not we can ally with Cerberus. That wasn't even a non-answer like they do for other characters. Some of the messages from the writers are somewhat confusing on the subject. But I don't think their mocking answer leaves much room for misinterpretation.

Flip, flop, flip, flop. "Cerberus is out to kill you. Cerberus just has their own thing going on and Shep is just getting in the way. Cerberus is hellbent on taking Shepard down". I wish they would be completely consistent with their answers. <_< ::Sigh:: The waiting to find out exactly what is going on is killing me. Despite the fact I know it won't be what I want to hear I'm still so curious.

YouthCultureForever wrote...

Great videos discussing TIM.

Part 1


Part 2


Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlrT6xiGTYI&feature=relmfu

Thank you for those. Very interesting.

Modifié par CoronadoRose, 12 septembre 2011 - 06:39 .

[Dave of Canada]

laecraft wrote...

I was just watching this little gem from bioware pulse. Old news (23 days ago), but just in case someone missed it. At 19:09 - they answer the question "Can we ally with Cerberus?"

The answer is, "LOL, ally with Cerberus? Cerberus is hellbent on taking Shepard down. You can't ally with people who want to kill you. That would be kind of counterproductive, wouldn't it. I guess you could ally with Ceberus - you just kill yourself. Just die in the game, stop playing, and good to go."

I really don't know why this pisses me off so much. :I

[Isaidlunch]

Wow, very disappointing. I was really looking forward to working with
Cerberus as an option in ME3 but with the "kill yourself" line (what a comedian) it seems that's not going to happen. That smug "lol you so stupid Cerberus fans" attitude doesn't leave me with much hope for TIMmy's fate.

Modifié par Kazanth, 12 septembre 2011 - 07:06 .

[Dave of Canada]

If TIM isn't indoctrinated, there'd be no reason for Shepard to not be able to join up with Cerberus. :-/

[Seboist]

Kazanth wrote...

Wow, very disappointing. I was really looking forward to working with
Cerberus as an option in ME3 but with the "kill yourself" line [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie] it seems that's not going to happen. That smug "lol you so stupid Cerberus fans" attitude doesn't leave me with much hope for TIMmy's fate.

See, that would require actual player choice that would conflict with the "epic" story they want to tell and apparently that's not what they're going for.

IF we're able to ally with Cerberus/TIM again in ME3 it will be near the end of the game when they're 99.9% destroyed and TIM is a quadriplegic in a coma.

[Dave of Canada]

Seboist wrote...

IF we're able to ally with Cerberus/TIM again in ME3 it will be near the end of the game when they're 99.9% destroyed and TIM is a quadriplegic in a coma.

And we'd ally ourselves with them by killing ourselves and stopping the game.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 12 septembre 2011 - 07:11 .

[zingro]

Dave of Canada wrote...

laecraft wrote...

I was just watching this little gem from bioware pulse. Old news (23 days ago), but just in case someone missed it. At 19:09 - they answer the question "Can we ally with Cerberus?"

The answer is, "LOL, ally with Cerberus? Cerberus is hellbent on taking Shepard down. You can't ally with people who want to kill you. That would be kind of counterproductive, wouldn't it. I guess you could ally with Ceberus - you just kill yourself. Just die in the game, stop playing, and good to go."

I really don't know why this pisses me off so much. :I

lol.

Bioware has an answer for everything.

This cracked me up..

[Seboist]

I had a feeling we would be experiencing this bull**** in ME3 when I saw the very bad omen that was all the squadmates at the end of ME2 flip flopping against keeping the base. It's clear now(as it should have been then) that it was a clumsy way of the devs saying "Renegades you ****ed up!".

[YouthCultureForever]

CoronadoRose wrote...

YouthCultureForever wrote...

Great videos discussing TIM.

Part 1


Part 2


Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlrT6xiGTYI&feature=relmfu

Thank you for those. Very interesting.

No problem. Let me know what you think. It will be good content for discussion.

Modifié par YouthCultureForever, 12 septembre 2011 - 08:24 .

[Dave of Canada]

Well, we've been sitting upon the fence for quite a long time about where we'd fall. We've always been hoping on to the small vein of hope that we'd be able to do our own choices and fully expect the writers to accomdate both sides of the coin. Though we're playing with a company which always enjoys the company of lawful good paladins, it was an impossible goal we had been hoping for.

Considering they're going to please more people by saying "lol cerberus are evil" than they're going to please by saying "Cerberus isn't all that bad.", it's no wonder they've made Cerberus bad.

How many people have always stated they've wanted to shoot TIM in the head? How many support Cerberus? They'd obviously choose the former, they've got majority on their side. Pissing off TIM fans and Renegades isn't going to hurt them, how many resources do they save from having to write content for the Renegade / Pro-Cerberus player?

Certainly more than they'd gain from pleasing those camps of players. Pleasing the Paragon is far easier as they're in the majority, any resources spent on that morality is regained by people feeling wonderful about their choices and telling their friends about choices having consequences. Never mind how those friends are often going to fall into the Paragon camp themselves.

What was the percentage of people who kept the Base? 36%? Assuming that's everybody who's ever kept the base including those who did it to see what changed (and not all those people support Cerberus), that really leaves little to no room for people to care.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 12 septembre 2011 - 07:34 .

[Seboist]

laecraft wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

laecraft wrote...

I was just watching this little gem from bioware pulse. Old news (23 days ago), but just in case someone missed it. At 19:09 - they answer the question "Can we ally with Cerberus?"

The answer is, "LOL, ally with Cerberus? Cerberus is hellbent on taking Shepard down. You can't ally with people who want to kill you. That would be kind of counterproductive, wouldn't it. I guess you could ally with Ceberus - you just kill yourself. Just die in the game, stop playing, and good to go."

I really don't know why this pisses me off so much. :I

I'm surprised it hit me so hard. I thought myself immune by this point. And I really didn't expect a non-linear storyline, so I shouldn't be surprised. Maybe it's the utter disrespect for your own character who was purposedly written to be worthy of respect. Or maybe it's the open mockery of your own fans.

I'm starting to understand why people don't like Mr. Silverman. I begin to feel quite a bit of dislike for him myself.

On the positive side, there are people out there who want to know about allying with Cerberus, so we're not alone.

Also, I still don't believe it would be impossible in ME3 to ally with TIM! <3 Despite the devs declaring it openly, heh. Let them try to stop me. I'll pick every option. There must be some communication between Shepard and TIM. Come on, I'll have full bars of Paragon and Renegade by ME3. I can sway anyone. Don't tell me it's impossible, I'll believe it when I finish the game.

At the very least, I want to be able to save TIM's life. Doesn't matter how hard it is. Surely there is something we can do? Anything at all?

*is having a flashback to DA2 where it was impossible to stop the trainwreck of the plot or even rock it slightly on the rails*

Well, if nothing else, I'm going to tell everyone, starting from VS and finishing the Citadel Council, how great TIM is, and how fun it was to work together with him. I really want to see their reaction to that.

The blind optimist in me actually thinks there's some chance for him to even be a LI due to his whole womanizer persona and the talk of there being non-squadmate romances. This wouldn't be the first time one of my vain hopes came to fruition either, I wanted a Turkish character in Street Fighter and thought it would never happen but sure enough it did in the super version of IV. Hopefully I luck out again....

Of course the logical side of me knows there'sa neglible chance of allying with Cerberus/TIM at all and that Shepard's gender is largely cosmetic.

*crosses fingers*

[zingro]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Well, we've been sitting upon the fence for quite a long time about where we'd fall. We've always been hoping on to the small vein of hope that we'd be able to do our own choices and fully expect the writers to accomdate both sides of the coin. Though we're playing with a company which always enjoys the company of lawful good paladins, it was an impossible goal we had been hoping for.

Considering they're going to please more people by saying "lol cerberus are evil" than they're going to please by saying "Cerberus isn't all that bad.", it's no wonder they've made Cerberus bad.

How many people have always stated they've wanted to shoot TIM in the head? How many support Cerberus? They'd obviously choose the former, they've got majority on their side. Pissing off TIM fans and Renegades isn't going to hurt them, how many resources do they save from having to write content for the Renegade / Pro-Cerberus player?

Certainly more than they'd gain from pleasing those camps of players. Pleasing the Paragon is far easier as they're in the majority, any resources spent on that morality is regained by people feeling wonderful about their choices and telling their friends about choices having consequences. Never mind how those friends are often going to fall into the Paragon camp themselves.

What was the percentage of people who kept the Base? 36%? Assuming that's everybody who's ever kept the base including those who did it to see what changed (and not all those people support Cerberus), that really leaves little to no room for people to care.

Yeah its a wasted opportunity to not expand on the TIM renegade choice options, I reckon they have punted a fascinating character out the back door just to feed the Reaper obsession.
dlc TIM story arcs ftw
Good god why am I posting in this dark scary thread must be my renegade character taking over.
As I have said before, its good to be bad.  well its far more entertaining anyway..


*edit* had to add an evil mastermind pic

Modifié par zingro, 12 septembre 2011 - 07:58 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Seboist wrote...
The blind optimist in me actually thinks there's some chance for him to even be a LI due to his whole womanizer persona and the talk of there being non-squadmate romances. This wouldn't be the first time one of my vain hopes came to fruition either, I wanted a Turkish character in Street Fighter and thought it would never happen but sure enough it did in the super version of IV. Hopefully I luck out again....

Of course the logical side of me knows there'sa neglible chance of allying with Cerberus/TIM at all and that Shepard's gender is largely cosmetic.

*crosses fingers*

Do not get your hopes up Seboist. I really do not expect anything great from the Cerberus plot. Like I said in the start of the thread TIM = First enchanter Orisino.

I can already imagine the dynamic between TIM and Shepard to be like this.

TIM  : Im gonna get you. You guys are going down!
Shep: No. U going down idiot!

Just with P/R being slightly different version of that.

[Seboist]

zingro wrote...

Yeah its a wasted oppurtunity to not expand on the TIM renegade choice options, I reckon they have punted a fascinating character out the back door just to feed the Reaper obsession.
dlc TIM story arcs ftw
Good god why am I posting in this dark scary thread must be my renegade character taking over.
As I have said before, its good to be bad.  well its far more entertaining anyway..

Your favorite character Liara gave Shepard's body over to TIM's organization and speaks favorably of them at the beginning of LOTSB. She wouldn't approve of you hating them!

[Dave of Canada]

Lizardviking wrote...

TIM  : Im gonna get you. You guys are going down!
Shep: No. U going down idiot!

Just with P/R being slightly different version of that.

P: i nevar work wit u i pretended 2! u mad for collector base?! lol!
N: no u going down u idiot!
R: im an idiot i shouldnt hav work wit u! now u di!

[Seboist]

Lizardviking wrote...

Do not get your hopes up Seboist. I really do not expect anything great from the Cerberus plot. Like I said in the start of the thread TIM = First enchanter Orisino.

I can already imagine the dynamic between TIM and Shepard to be like this.

TIM  : Im gonna get you. You guys are going down!
Shep: No. U going down idiot!

Just with P/R being slightly different version of that.

Oh don't worry, my expectations for TIM and Cerberus being done justice in ME3 has plummeted beneath hell itself.

I already have my own back up story for ME3 prepared if/when TIM and Cerberus are butchered. I''ll role play that TIM is a deadbeat dad that refuses to pay femshep child support and now is sending his personal army to prevent her from collecting payments. The Normandy crew will be Child Protective Services that femshep enlisted the aid of.

[Seboist]

That's one of the best moments with TIM where he says "Regardless of what you think of Cerberus, of me, you're a valuable asset to humanity" showing his admiration of Shepard. Then there's the dialogue option where Shepard tells him to join her in the suicide mission, man I wish that would have happened.

[Dave of Canada]

Unrelated to the current topic of discussion, anybody have all The Illusive Man's conversations in one video? If not, I'm planning to record them all and put them all together.

[Seboist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Seboist wrote...

That's one of the best moments with TIM where he says "Regardless of what you think of Cerberus, of me, you're a valuable asset to humanity" showing his admiration of Shepard. Then there's the dialogue option where Shepard tells him to join her in the suicide mission, man I wish that would have happened.

I always had the suspicion that TIM's response to that comment was genuine, that it really was a tempting offer. Especially after reading Retribution.

I thought so too. The whole ambiguity surrounding him is in stark contrast to the majority of all the others where what you see on the surface is all there is to be seen and thus makes him the best character in the franchise. Moments like that and when he gets misty eyed in the bad ending prove that he isn't this one note b-movie assclown villain that his haters on here see him as.

Of course, this was before ME3 came around and took a giant dump on it.