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[Sebby]

Ravensword wrote...

laecraft wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

What if you have a Paragon FemShep that does everything Paragon except destroying the base?

I think that keeping the base should be a necessary condition, but not a sufficient one. I loath P/R system, and I think there should be a bar to measure femshep's loyalty to Cerberus, instead. It's possible to take pro-Cerberus actions in ME2 in several quests and verbally support them, they should record that. Romancing TIM would require the perfect Cerberus loyalty score.

Shouldn't they also have a Council bar and an Alliance bar to measure your loyalty to those organizations based on your actions as well?

That would be like GTA2's faction system..... and that would be awesome.

[Veloric Wu]

uh.....did anyone suggest this, or is Jack Harper a LI in ME3?

[Sebby]

FeriktheCerberus wrote...

uh.....did anyone suggest this, or is Jack Harper a LI in ME3?

Sadly, Jubileus hasn't blessed us with an Illusive romance in ME3 but that's the least of our concerns with that game...

Modifié par Seboist, 19 novembre 2011 - 03:21 .

[outmane]

laecraft wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

laecraft wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Is that perfect reward pregnancy?

I was thinking more about saving TIM and the Earth at the end through whatever means necessary, overthrowing the old Council, and establishing human / vorcha / krogan / quarian dominance in the galaxy with the use of Reapers tech side by side with TIM, while humanity leads everyone to glory at the helm, and uncovers all the secrets of existence, and the laws of the universe bend to our will, and stars themselves tremble in our wake. Don't limit your imagination.

Dude. (Chick?)

The creation of life itself.

That's head and sholders above making fancier Reaper-tech toaster-ovens.

Chick. (Dude?)

It's not enough to create life.

You have to keep it alive, let it grow, let it prosper. You have to ensure that your kids are not liquifed the moment they're born because the rest of the galaxy picked up the abundant scattered post-war Reaper tech and putting it to good use against their rivals, humanity included. You have to make sure that your kids are not forced to wear suits all the time because they lost their homeworld to the alien competitors after humanity's been too weakened by the war.

You have to make sure that your species isn't used as a cannon fodder and thrown to the brink of survival, that the alien rulers can't control your population and strip you of hope and motivation and future because they consider your species a danger, that the emperors of the galaxy won't leave your colonies and your children without protection to be slaughtered because you're not powerful enough to have sway with the Council.

We need to secure a position of power so that our children can grow safe and live their lives to the fullest, and fulfil their destiny. Survival is not enough, we need to be aggressive, we need to become so powerful that our children will never have to worry about survival again. I want my femshep's and TIM's child to grow up in the galaxy where humans are safe and strong. The galaxy where the humans rule.

Apologies for turning something so lighthearted into a rant about human dominance. The events of ME3 are not helping my disposition.

I do agree that the game should let us roleplay (im not certain how serious you just were with that post) as humancentrist since thats what it sets out to do in ME1.
 
Just for the sake of discussion... you do know that civilizations that stopped worrying about survival usually became lazy and eventually lost ground to other civilizations? Or on a smaller scale think of the children of millionaires who learn nothing else to do then throw their money away because they were born in opulence.
I would prefer my children to be born in an era where humanity is on the rise (like when they discovered the mass relays... all the discoveries and possibilities) then in the world you describe. I jsut expect things to peak and go crashing down from there.

[Killjoy Cutter]

GodWood wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
The majority?  Hardly. 

Yes the majority.

LoL... in ME2, by the time you add up the uselessly juvenile, the counter-productively ruthless, the yes-man-for-TIM, and the blatantly racist, that's more than half your "Renegade" decisions.  There isn't ROOM for "Renegade" to be the "smart" call half the time. 

GodWood wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...
As for your question, let's start with every juvenile human-supremacist rant and quip, such as response to the two Asari stranded by C-Sec's TSA-parady stupidity on the Citadel.

I assume you mean this?

Seems more like a smartarse remark in response to genuine racism to me.

But ok, that's one, surely you can think of more then just one dialogue snip from a side mission?

No, it's pretty blatantly human-supremacist.  There's no joking there.  Although I guess if you think that's the sort of thing you say as a smartarse remark or joke, then ME2's "Renegade" is just right for you. 

As for the "show me more thing".... no.  I'm not going to fall into the standard internet BS of "Oh um er MORE examples or it didn't happen!" 

[Ravensword]

I want to have a fair end equitable relationship w/ the rest of the galaxy.

[Killjoy Cutter]

The number of people who can rant about human dominance and the "heroism" of TIM on threads like these is... a bit scarey, frankly.  But I guess the Aryan Nation has to find its recruits somewhere.  And no, that's not just a flip comment.  Think about it for awhile. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 19 novembre 2011 - 04:18 .

[outmane]

laecraft wrote...

outmane wrote...

I do agree that the game should let us roleplay (im not certain how serious you just were with that post) as humancentrist since thats what it sets out to do in ME1.
 
Just for the sake of discussion... you do know that civilizations that stopped worrying about survival usually became lazy and eventually lost ground to other civilizations? Or on a smaller scale think of the children of millionaires who learn nothing else to do then throw their money away because they were born in opulence.
I would prefer my children to be born in an era where humanity is on the rise (like when they discovered the mass relays... all the discoveries and possibilities) then in the world you describe. I jsut expect things to peak and go crashing down from there.

I'm totally serious. All my Shepards are very pro-human and pro-Cerberus as a result.

I don't think we have to worry about decadence right now. Unless you're suggesting that the current rulers of the galaxy - the asari, the turians, and the salarians - are lazy and losing ground to the krogan and the quarians, and are on the verge of crashing down because of that. I just want the same power for humanity that they have.

We don't have to worry about opulence. We're in the middle of galactic war, what we have to worry is survival in the war with the Reapers - and beyond. We have to worry about our "friends" like asari and the turians who would gladly take the opportunity to finally get rid of their human competitor.

I don't want humanity to suffer the same fate as the quarians and the krogan did. I don't think you realize just how very close to total extinction humanity is now.

And after we survive and rebuild, there will always be new challenges, both on the level of nations and on personal level. Opulence...doesn't threaten humanity in ME universe.

Thanks for answering me.

2 things I highlighted. First one, Id say the Council races are actually losing ground, but not to the krogans or quarians. To humanity who is either the new savior (after saving the Council) or the new bully (after forcefully removing the precedent council and taking lead of the new one).

Second one, its clear that humanity doesnt suffer from opulence in the MEverse. It was more a reflexion on the vision you proposed earlier. I jsut thought less competition, lets say by letting the Reapers completely chew out the council races, could lead to some more ressources for humanity in short term development but eventually would make us lazy and wed fall prey to the enxt up and coming race. Maybe im seeing too much down the line and youre thinking about the Reaper war.

[Killjoy Cutter]

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Cerberus
http://masseffect.wi...ony_of_the_Dead
http://masseffect.wi...Dead_Scientists
http://masseffect.wi..._Depot_Sigma-23
http://masseffect.wi...Missing_Marines
http://masseffect.wi...Thorian_Creeper
http://masseffect.wi...roject_Overlord
http://masseffect.wi...k:_Subject_Zero

Etc.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 19 novembre 2011 - 04:46 .

[BlueMagitek]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

The number of people who can rant about human dominance and the "heroism" of TIM on threads like these is... a bit scarey, frankly.  But I guess the Aryan Nation has to find its recruits somewhere.  And no, that's not just a flip comment.  Think about it for awhile. 

What do you expect when the alternative is an ridiculous government that doesn't assist your people, allowed a genocide to happen without repercussion, applied a major genetic change to a species (that they raised themselves), reapplied said genetic change, bully minor species, and have a secret police that have full protection with little to no accountability (unless they screw up so badly that the Council is forced to do something on the issue)?  Considering how messed up the current system is, why not wish for something better?

[Sebby]

Ultai wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

So you disagree that Bioware didn't do a good job at showing Illusive man as having the best and worst traits of humanity?  Because that's what they said they were intending to do.

I tweeted that very question to Mac Walters, about when are they gonna start showing the best traits of humanity in regards to TIM awhile ago.  This was the response twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/126768687658188801

So I'm curious as to what HE thinks TIM's best traits are (did these traits fly over my head?), because I'm not sure what to make of it.  Going by the ridiculousness of ME3, I've had to have missed them, right?

TIM's best traits are his good looks and sense of style of course.

[Ravensword]

[Some Geth]

Seboist wrote...

Ultai wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

So you disagree that Bioware didn't do a good job at showing Illusive man as having the best and worst traits of humanity?  Because that's what they said they were intending to do.

I tweeted that very question to Mac Walters, about when are they gonna start showing the best traits of humanity in regards to TIM awhile ago.  This was the response twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/126768687658188801

So I'm curious as to what HE thinks TIM's best traits are (did these traits fly over my head?), because I'm not sure what to make of it.  Going by the ridiculousness of ME3, I've had to have missed them, right?

TIM's best traits are his good looks and sense of style of course.

Yup.

[Asari_Party]

Seboist wrote...

Ultai wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

So you disagree that Bioware didn't do a good job at showing Illusive man as having the best and worst traits of humanity?  Because that's what they said they were intending to do.

I tweeted that very question to Mac Walters, about when are they gonna start showing the best traits of humanity in regards to TIM awhile ago.  This was the response twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/126768687658188801

So I'm curious as to what HE thinks TIM's best traits are (did these traits fly over my head?), because I'm not sure what to make of it.  Going by the ridiculousness of ME3, I've had to have missed them, right?

TIM's best traits are his good looks and sense of style of course.

I think it's his voice

[Sebby]

Roxy12 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Ultai wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

So you disagree that Bioware didn't do a good job at showing Illusive man as having the best and worst traits of humanity?  Because that's what they said they were intending to do.

I tweeted that very question to Mac Walters, about when are they gonna start showing the best traits of humanity in regards to TIM awhile ago.  This was the response twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/126768687658188801

So I'm curious as to what HE thinks TIM's best traits are (did these traits fly over my head?), because I'm not sure what to make of it.  Going by the ridiculousness of ME3, I've had to have missed them, right?

TIM's best traits are his good looks and sense of style of course.

I think it's his voice

That too, that's a big reason why my femshep is in a trance when he's talking to her. That and her gazing into his eyes and chest hair.

[Dean_the_Young]

laecraft wrote...

Apologies for turning something so lighthearted into a rant about human dominance. The events of ME3 are not helping my disposition.

Oh, go write some more of Assuming Control. Or read it. That always makes me feel better.

[Barquiel]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

The number of people who can rant about human dominance and the "heroism" of TIM on threads like these is... a bit scarey, frankly.  But I guess the Aryan Nation has to find its recruits somewhere.  And no, that's not just a flip comment.  Think about it for awhile. 

What do you expect when the alternative is an ridiculous government that doesn't assist your people, allowed a genocide to happen without repercussion, applied a major genetic change to a species (that they raised themselves), reapplied said genetic change, bully minor species, and have a secret police that have full protection with little to no accountability (unless they screw up so badly that the Council is forced to do something on the issue)?  Considering how messed up the current system is, why not wish for something better?

Being a councilor is probably one of the most ungrateful jobs in the galaxy...you are blamed for things that happened 300-2000 years ago

[BlueMagitek]

^

I can't blame the Salarian Councilor because he's, at worst, switched out every 30 years. The Asari Councilor, though... well, she needs to go. Archaic ideas, bah.

Besides, the majority of what I listed could have happened within the Asari Councilor's term, assuming she's in her matron stage.

Mordin worked on the reapplication of the genophage; it cannot have been more than 40 years ago.

The Quarian genocide took place ~300 or so years ago. The Council running them off a planet (that the Quarians discovered, close to the Veil) would have happened in this period as well.

The Spectre system is still in use.

The Council blocked Garrus' investigation and had no response to Geth (not seen for 300 years) appearing from beyond the Veil to attack an allied species.

They've kicked the Quarians out of their embassy, neither Krogan nor Vorcha have an embassy either.

Why not try something different?

[Blacklash93]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Cerberus was never morally grey. It's amusing how sore the renegade fanboys are getting because now even they can't deny it anymore. It's not as funny as watching them try to justify torturing and killing children or trying to enslave sentient races or poisoning unborn babies, but still.

Indeed it's comforting to accept whatever you're told and not question anything at all. I bet monkeys in the zoo find Humans funny as hell too.

I know that trying to categorize heinous crimes as "morally grey" with the "ends justify the means" mentaility is the "IN" thing these days, so I'll let you kids have your fun.

Why not try something different?

Because aspirations of racial dominance to usurp the current system of racial dominance has never been the answer to any such problem ever.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 19 novembre 2011 - 10:33 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

The number of people who can rant about human dominance and the "heroism" of TIM on threads like these is... a bit scarey, frankly.  But I guess the Aryan Nation has to find its recruits somewhere.  And no, that's not just a flip comment.  Think about it for awhile. 

What do you expect when the alternative is an ridiculous government that doesn't assist your people, allowed a genocide to happen without repercussion, applied a major genetic change to a species (that they raised themselves), reapplied said genetic change, bully minor species, and have a secret police that have full protection with little to no accountability (unless they screw up so badly that the Council is forced to do something on the issue)?  Considering how messed up the current system is, why not wish for something better?

"It has to be better than this" is about the most useless reason to support something.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

The number of people who can rant about human dominance and the "heroism" of TIM on threads like these is... a bit scarey, frankly.  But I guess the Aryan Nation has to find its recruits somewhere.  And no, that's not just a flip comment.  Think about it for awhile.

Unnecessary Godwin, and also quite untrue.

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

"It has to be better than this" is about the most useless reason to support something.

Of course, any pro-Cerberus argument would be that in your eyes.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 19 novembre 2011 - 11:04 .

[Sebby]

Another fan made render of the man himself.



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Hail TIM!