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[GodWood]

Dean beat me to it.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Only because unaware self-parody is the best sort.

And in what way do you imagine that is what's going on here? 

This all started because I asked if people were just posting in the character of their Cerberus lapdog characters, or if they actually believed the things they were saying... at which point you went off on some bizzare tangent that has lead you to this point, in which about half your posts have been some kind of strange non-sequitor. 

Your Honor, the prosecution can think of no better argument, and no more convincing proof of the previous argument, than that provided by the defense. We rest our case.

So it's some kind of postmodernist thing, where you keep talking to make it look like you had something to say?

[Kaiser Shepard]

GodWood wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Why is he carrying a helmet while wearing a hat?

Hats give off a more militant fascist aesthetic? This was made prior to ME2's release by the way.

The hat goes on top of the helmet, obviously.

[Dean_the_Young]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Only because unaware self-parody is the best sort.

And in what way do you imagine that is what's going on here? 

This all started because I asked if people were just posting in the character of their Cerberus lapdog characters, or if they actually believed the things they were saying... at which point you went off on some bizzare tangent that has lead you to this point, in which about half your posts have been some kind of strange non-sequitor. 

Your Honor, the prosecution can think of no better argument, and no more convincing proof of the previous argument, than that provided by the defense. We rest our case.

So it's some kind of postmodernist thing, where you keep talking to make it look like you had something to say?

Nah, incomprehension mixed with flailing has been around far longer. You're not drawing on any new material.

[Xilizhra]

They're not losing ground, they're biding their time. If you keep the old Council and choose Udina, he can't do anything because his vote is constantly outnumbered one to three by the old gang.

Hah. Considering what Udina's done to the new Council if the old one died, this is likely for the best.

Asari have something they keep very secret from the rest of the galaxy, something that gives them an edge over other species without any effort. How do they use their power and their long lives? Working as strippers. Listen to Matriarch Aethyta.

Odd that you disregard Liara then, but it's incredibly rare for a society to put out more work than it needs to survive. Humans would do the exact same thing under the same circumstances.

Turians are military imperialists who have the biggest, strongest fleet in the galaxy. How do they use that power? They delight in shooting new, unexperienced species on sight at a slightest excuse. Remember Shanxi!

No longer an issue with us, luckily.

Salarians have bioweapons that can make your species cease to exist before you're even conceived - power over life itself. They use that power to protect themselves. They mold and shape a warlike species into a powerful force, to serve as cannon fodder, then, when it's out of control, they slam them back at the edge of non-existence - until they need it again.

I'm not sure if there was any other option there.

They're not at the helm because they're good at it. They rule because they have really big guns. And they're the ones who're supposed to be opposing the Reapers, not humanity. They have one job only - protecting the galaxy. If they can't do it right, they're useless to us.

So you're completely disregarding the whole "standard galactic governance" thing as being at all useful to you?

Weakening the asari and the turians is not going to create less competition. It's going to create more. There are dozens of species in the galaxy. We only see a few. And only a few chosen are on the Council. Once the old Council is no more, the "lesser species who can't handle the responsiblity" are going to rise, they won't be stifled by the trio anymore. We're going to have a much more lively galaxy, actually, with humanity at the helm.

No you're not. You're going to have a weak, easily killed Council and a lot of infighting at the worst possible time. Killing the Council is like masturbation, and I think you know the punchline for that.

And then there is the rest of the galaxy - completely unexplored, with different species like the rachni to encounter, to compete with, to challenge. The galaxies are many. There is no shortage of life to meet. We'll never be lazy, we'll never grow bored. Many wonders await humanity, many dark places to explore, many myseries and secrets to discover...if we manage to survive.

The fact that you're exclusionary about this leaves me with no choice but to stop you.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Only because unaware self-parody is the best sort.

And in what way do you imagine that is what's going on here? 

This all started because I asked if people were just posting in the character of their Cerberus lapdog characters, or if they actually believed the things they were saying... at which point you went off on some bizzare tangent that has lead you to this point, in which about half your posts have been some kind of strange non-sequitor. 

Your Honor, the prosecution can think of no better argument, and no more convincing proof of the previous argument, than that provided by the defense. We rest our case.

So it's some kind of postmodernist thing, where you keep talking to make it look like you had something to say?

Nah, incomprehension mixed with flailing has been around far longer. You're not drawing on any new material.

See, this the "I know you are but what am I" thing I refered to earlier.  I ask if you're doing something, and then you do this juvenile thing where you act like I was refering to myself and as if something is going on that I'm not comprehending.  But there isn't, you're just doing the "talk a lot and everyone will think I have a deep point" thing.  Instead of the sound and the fury signifying nothing, you're the smirk and the snide. 

And the sad thing is, I've seen you make many intelligent and thoughtful posts on other subjects... so I'm not sure why you're suddenly being a juvenile twerp about this one thing.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 20 novembre 2011 - 03:47 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

And the sad thing is, I've seen you make many intelligent and thoughtful posts on other subjects... so I'm not sure why you're suddenly being a juvenile twerp about this one thing.

Because like calls to like, obviously. I'm just less angry about making you twirl about in rambling, which apprently makes it juvenile compared to... well, whatever you think you do.

I mean, it is great fun when you lack the introspection to notice the slings and arrows of outrageous insinuations, or setting you up for mockery you walk into while you try to refute it. And seeing you bounce around from 'I couldn't care less' to 'I certainly do care, let me try and tear you down', or from 'I will insult others' to 'I will pretend I am the reasonable, mature one here,' that's just classic. And, of course, you're egotistical enough to demand the last word to placate your sense of self, rather than just walking away. That gives you all the independence of a rubber ball.

But you've offered nothing insightful, constructive, or worthy of respect in pages, and so you deserve nothing of the sort as long as you continue this. Other threads? I'll deal with you as you warrant. Here? I do the same. You warrant nothing serious, and only the comical dismissal of bad parody.


Or is this too honest? I can go back to flippant and irreverant if you don't like that.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 20 novembre 2011 - 04:13 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

So pretty much what I said, pages ago now, that you were pretending to... at least you admit to trolling for lolz while hiding behind a smirking sense of self-superiority.  Oh well.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 20 novembre 2011 - 04:34 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Again: rubber ball, and walking into self-mockery.

The fact that you can outright tell some people and they still...

It's not exactly tragic,

[Killjoy Cutter]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Again: rubber ball, and walking into self-mockery.

The fact that you can outright tell some people and they still...

It's not exactly tragic,

The sad thing is that you think you're mocking me somehow.  
 
EDIT:  Really, someone is after a straight answer from the start, and you try to run them around in circles and pretend you're showing them up, and you think that makes you the smart, mature one showhow?  I guess that's the new cool, or something.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 20 novembre 2011 - 04:39 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Again: rubber ball, and walking into self-mockery.

The fact that you can outright tell some people and they still...

It's not exactly tragic,

The sad thing is that you think you're mocking me somehow.  
 

How does that new suit feel, your majesty? The pants of pride look quite warm.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 20 novembre 2011 - 04:44 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

I'm sure you actually believe that, more's the pity.

[Dean_the_Young]

You can keep the pity for yourself. It'll do you more good than me, who has no self respect or ego.


Next line is yours. Go on. Make it a real zinger.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 20 novembre 2011 - 04:58 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

(It appears that I've used one of those expressions most people aren't familiar with --
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/more's+the+pity
-- it's most certainly not a statement that you are to be pitied.)


I'm not that interested in zingers -- perhaps you're fundamentally misreading my half of this exchange.

I started out trying to grasp the odd context of this thread -- are people engaged in some sort of semi-in-character exchange in their statements of enthusiastic support for TIM, Cerberus, the concept of humanity uber alles, etc, that they feel obliged to never break from? Or are they actually serious in those statements? The latter is frankly kinda sad and scarey, given the history of the real-life groups that parallel Cerberus.

Is there any attempt at serious discussion, or are people just looking for an echo-chamber in which to listen to each other say good things about TIM and Cerberus?

I honestly don't understand how someone could really think that their femShep could fall in love with a man like TIM, as an example.  Really, I don't.  Objectively, TIM is a monster. 


And then... you went on the smirk and wink assault. For pages. Because for some reason you think I deserve some kind of mocking for my attempt to grasp the context of a perplexing thread.  And so I've been trying to deflect whatever it is you think you're up to in that, while figuring out why you wish to do it. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 20 novembre 2011 - 05:02 .

[outmane]

Since Ive been reading this thread a little more lately, I realized that many of TIM fanbase have a FemShep that would romance TIM if the game allowed it. Some players would have liked to romance Joker or Nhilus so to each their own. But Id like to know

Could someone tell me how they see those 2 coming together romantically. Would TIM still behave like hes doing in the game and risk Shepard's life or keep her in the dark on his real intentions? Would Shep be his <favorite mistress> or would it be a commited relationship?

Like I said Im just curious.

[HK-90210]

Dean_the_Young, I can honestly say that you have made a most enjoyable read over the past few pages with your troll-anti-troll approach. May your posts always have the exact amount of insight and validity that you intend, good sir. I haven't enjoyed a thread this much since the leak. Bravo.

[Dean_the_Young]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

(It appears that I've used one of those expressions most people aren't familiar with --
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/more's+the+pity
-- it's most certainly not a statement that you are to be pitied.)


I'm not that interested in zingers -- perhaps you're fundamentally misreading my half of this exchange.

I started out trying to grasp the odd context of this thread -- are people engaged in some sort of semi-in-character exchange in their statements of enthusiastic support for TIM, Cerberus, the concept of humanity uber alles, etc, that they feel obliged to never break from? Or are they actually serious in those statements? The latter is frankly kinda sad and scarey, given the history of the real-life groups that parallel Cerberus.

Is there any attempt at serious discussion, or are people just looking for an echo-chamber in which to listen to each other say good things about TIM and Cerberus?

I honestly don't understand how someone could really think that their femShep could fall in love with a man like TIM, as an example.  Really, I don't.  Objectively, TIM is a monster. 


And then... you went on the smirk and wink assault. For pages. Because for some reason you think I deserve some kind of mocking for my attempt to grasp the context of a perplexing thread.  And so I've been trying to deflect whatever it is you think you're up to in that, while figuring out why you wish to do it. 

That's a bit of a long one. People get bored after 150 characters. Good striving for reasonableness superiority, though. A bit undermined by prior arrogance and the inability to tell/accept mockery at your expense, as well as past arguments, but linking to an authoritative source that you googled shows you went the extra mile. Again, however, undermined by prior claims you couldn't care less, plus the picture on page 182: oh, that one just won't let you smell clean. The bouncing comes off as schizophrenic: you can't decide whether to be placating or aggressive, and so you try and do both. It's better to keep them distinctly separate and focus on one at a time.

The mixing of business and backhand is always a tricky one, and I'm afraid you just don't pull it off. On one hand, you're appealing to my sense of dignity when I've already admitted I have none for you, but then you ignore your own complicity in this silliness. Your inability to free-flow between serious and farcical makes you come off as more of a stody grump than you already are, however much that might be.


You certainly have the basics of spelling, punctuation, and grammar down pat. No need to fret there. The professional look gets undermined when you post a link as the web address, rather than hide the address in a link-word. Consider it, next time: it allows you to do snarky sayings, and it encourages people to click the link.

On a N-S-E rankinging, this one warrants an S. Nothing stands out as exceptional, and there's not enough focus. But there's nothing particularly abysmal about it either.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 20 novembre 2011 - 05:18 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

CastonFolarus wrote...

Dean_the_Young, I can honestly say that you have made a most enjoyable read over the past few pages with your troll-anti-troll approach. May your posts always have the exact amount of insight and validity that you intend, good sir. I haven't enjoyed a thread this much since the leak. Bravo.

You're congratulating him for trolling? 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 20 novembre 2011 - 05:16 .

[Dean_the_Young]

CastonFolarus wrote...

Dean_the_Young, I can honestly say that you have made a most enjoyable read over the past few pages with your troll-anti-troll approach. May your posts always have the exact amount of insight and validity that you intend, good sir. I haven't enjoyed a thread this much since the leak. Bravo.

I don't ever know what you mean. I am always 100 percent of the time a perfectly serious person. I am certainly not flattered  by your appreciation.

Now, back on topic. Who hates those filthy xenos? My morning isn't complete without fictional genocide before lunch.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 20 novembre 2011 - 05:16 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

(It appears that I've used one of those expressions most people aren't familiar with --
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/more's+the+pity
-- it's most certainly not a statement that you are to be pitied.)


I'm not that interested in zingers -- perhaps you're fundamentally misreading my half of this exchange.

I started out trying to grasp the odd context of this thread -- are people engaged in some sort of semi-in-character exchange in their statements of enthusiastic support for TIM, Cerberus, the concept of humanity uber alles, etc, that they feel obliged to never break from? Or are they actually serious in those statements? The latter is frankly kinda sad and scarey, given the history of the real-life groups that parallel Cerberus.

Is there any attempt at serious discussion, or are people just looking for an echo-chamber in which to listen to each other say good things about TIM and Cerberus?

I honestly don't understand how someone could really think that their femShep could fall in love with a man like TIM, as an example.  Really, I don't.  Objectively, TIM is a monster. 


And then... you went on the smirk and wink assault. For pages. Because for some reason you think I deserve some kind of mocking for my attempt to grasp the context of a perplexing thread.  And so I've been trying to deflect whatever it is you think you're up to in that, while figuring out why you wish to do it. 

That's a bit of a long one. People get bored after 150 characters. Good striving for reasonableness superiority, though. A bit undermined by prior arrogance and the inability to tell/accept mockery at your expense, as well as past arguments, but linking to an authoritative source that you googled shows you went the extra mile. Again, however, undermined by prior claims you couldn't care less. Comes off as schizophrenic: you can't decide whether to be placating or aggressive, and so you try and do both. It's better to keep them distinctly separate and focus on one at a time.

The mixing of business and backhand is always a tricky one, and I'm afraid you just don't pull it off. On one hand, you're appealing to my sense of dignity when I've already admitted I have none for you, but then you ignore your own complicity in this silliness. Your inability to free-flow between serious and farcical makes you come off as more of a stody grump than you already are, however much that might be.


You certainly have the basics of spelling, punctuation, and grammar down pat. No need to fret there. The professional look gets undermined when you post a link as the web address, rather than hide the address in a link-word. Consider it, next time: it allows you to do snarky sayings, and it encourages people to click the link.

On a N-S-E rankinging, this one warrants an S. Nothing stands out as exceptional, and there's not enough focus. But there's nothing particularly abysmal about it either.

You're presuming a lot about what's going on here that simply isn't true.  Or you just don't care if it's true.

EDIT:  To be clear, I'm not trying to be anything.  I'm not trying to show you up or evoke a response.  I mean what I say, and I say what I mean.  I try to give people the benefit of the doubt that they're as honest in their statements.  Sometimes I pay for that, but I'd rather suffer for who I am than thrive for being something else.

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 20 novembre 2011 - 05:22 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

CastonFolarus wrote...

Dean_the_Young, I can honestly say that you have made a most enjoyable read over the past few pages with your troll-anti-troll approach. May your posts always have the exact amount of insight and validity that you intend, good sir. I haven't enjoyed a thread this much since the leak. Bravo.

You're congratulating him for trolling? 

As my partner in these last few pages, I of course give you all the respect you deserve for your witting participation.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 20 novembre 2011 - 05:22 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

CastonFolarus wrote...

Dean_the_Young, I can honestly say that you have made a most enjoyable read over the past few pages with your troll-anti-troll approach. May your posts always have the exact amount of insight and validity that you intend, good sir. I haven't enjoyed a thread this much since the leak. Bravo.

You're congratulating him for trolling? 

For trolling you. Successfully, no less: I took a grumpy angry person and made it comedic trough hammy retorts, leading directions, and proving that somehow taking no offense is the most juvenile thing you can do.

As my partner in these last few pages, I of course give you all the respect you deserve for your witting participation.

Ah.  So you were just trolling.  Sad.  And sad that you consider it something to gloat about. 

[Dean_the_Young]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

You're presuming a lot about what's going on here that simply isn't true.  Or you just don't care if it's true.

EDIT:  To be clear, I'm not trying to be anything.  I'm not trying to show you up or evoke a response.  I mean what I say, and I say what I mean.  I try to give people the benefit of the doubt that they're as honest in their statements.  Sometimes I pay for that, but I'd rather suffer for who I am than thrive for being something else.

Poor lies kill credibility. The basis of an insult is always to evoke a response, and you've certainly tried your hardest: you've just also conceded that rubber-glue defense of not taking offense annoys you more than it was supposed to annoy me. And hey, the picture of 182: a wonderful slight at my ability to have relationships... that never really took hold. That hurt, really.

I mean, I thought you meant it. But now you say that you weren't trying to mean anything. But then you say you meant it.

Now you're returning to that schizo-thing again. You can't keep your tone stable, and it undermines every later appeal.