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[Dean_the_Young]

Saphra Deden wrote...

So that is two at most, and that is a stretch. Archer never says he intends to hide anything. It is implied that Overlord drops out of contact because of the experiment.

It was established that Archer was keeping the last phase of the experiment a secret from the Illusive Man, in order to present a surprise success. Sort of a 'Results are forthcoming, please wait' hold, which TIM deigned and didn't push further because, hey, information was supposed to come.

Archer went into a voluntary secret-keeping mode before the VI breakout didn't leave him a choice.

[GodWood]

Seb, I'm stealing your sig.

[CrutchCricket]

*post deleted. Sorry for the trouble*

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 25 novembre 2011 - 08:23 .

[Sebby]

GodWood wrote...

Seb, I'm stealing your sig.

It's free to pass around to my fellow blood brothers and sisters. :happy:

[Sebby]

Mr.X.Pen wrote...

I've always liked how TIM takes his time to deliver information even though it's vital to the mission. I mean he would take a small drink or a smoke while Shepard just waits patiently for him to finish. It's such a nice humourous effect!

That's okay, my femshep is already busy gazing into his eyes and chest hair when he does that. <3

[Sebby]

Mr.X.Pen wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Mr.X.Pen wrote...

I've always liked how TIM takes his time to deliver information even though it's vital to the mission. I mean he would take a small drink or a smoke while Shepard just waits patiently for him to finish. It's such a nice humourous effect!

That's okay, my femshep is already busy gazing into his eyes and chest hair when he does that. <3

With the glowing red eyes of not negative emotions, but love matching his glowing blue eyes. A perfect match I would say!

Indeed.

[Ultai]

Off topic although it's sorta fits the renegade theme of this thread, but I managed to squeeze in time to finish Alpha Protocol after getting Skyrim fatigue. Compared to Mike Thorton, Shepard is an emotional brick of a character, and could actually learn something from Mike when it comes to badassery and personality, whether it be compassionate or pragmatic. I had a good laugh at this vid www.youtube.com/watch

Shame the game didn't have the best gameplay.

[Sebby]

Ultai wrote...

Off topic although it's sorta fits the renegade theme of this thread, but I managed to squeeze in time to finish Alpha Protocol after getting Skyrim fatigue. Compared to Mike Thorton, Shepard is an emotional brick of a character, and could actually learn something from Mike when it comes to badassery and personality, whether it be compassionate or pragmatic. I had a good laugh at this vid www.youtube.com/watch

Shame the game didn't have the best gameplay.

Haven't played AP(yet) but I have a stronger personal connection with Geralt of Rivia and Adam Jensen(to a lesser extent) and am able to better role play with them despite being pre-defined characters more than I ever could with "my" Shepard. There's a whole freakin' main quest in Witcher 1 about establishing Geralt's identity and personal motivations, while Shepard never amounts to anything other than being a soulless killing machine.

Modifié par Seboist, 25 novembre 2011 - 11:39 .

[Ultai]

Seboist wrote...

Ultai wrote...

Off topic although it's sorta fits the renegade theme of this thread, but I managed to squeeze in time to finish Alpha Protocol after getting Skyrim fatigue. Compared to Mike Thorton, Shepard is an emotional brick of a character, and could actually learn something from Mike when it comes to badassery and personality, whether it be compassionate or pragmatic. I had a good laugh at this vid www.youtube.com/watch

Shame the game didn't have the best gameplay.

Haven't played AP(yet) but I have a stronger personal connection with Geralt of Rivia and Adam Jensen(to a lesser extent) and am able to better role play with them despite being pre-defined characters more than I ever could with "my" Shepard. There's a whole freakin' main quest in Witcher 1 about establishing Geralt's identity and personal motivations, while Shepard never amounts to anything other than being a soulless killing machine.

One of my favorites as well, especially talking with Thaler about it.  Spending time away from here helps me forget about the potential for disaster regarding whether TIM just turns into a two bit evil character.  Evil for the sake of it only works for some universes and ip's, I was hoping...well still hoping to avoid that with ME.

[Sebby]

Ultai wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Ultai wrote...

Off topic although it's sorta fits the renegade theme of this thread, but I managed to squeeze in time to finish Alpha Protocol after getting Skyrim fatigue. Compared to Mike Thorton, Shepard is an emotional brick of a character, and could actually learn something from Mike when it comes to badassery and personality, whether it be compassionate or pragmatic. I had a good laugh at this vid www.youtube.com/watch

Shame the game didn't have the best gameplay.

Haven't played AP(yet) but I have a stronger personal connection with Geralt of Rivia and Adam Jensen(to a lesser extent) and am able to better role play with them despite being pre-defined characters more than I ever could with "my" Shepard. There's a whole freakin' main quest in Witcher 1 about establishing Geralt's identity and personal motivations, while Shepard never amounts to anything other than being a soulless killing machine.

One of my favorites as well, especially talking with Thaler about it.  Spending time away from here helps me forget about the potential for disaster regarding whether TIM just turns into a two bit evil character.  Evil for the sake of it only works for some universes and ip's, I was hoping...well still hoping to avoid that with ME.

Well, there's still an extremely feint hope that TIM and/or Cerberus can be saved. Even if TIM has to die but I could preserve Cerberus then I could role play a tragic romance with femshep trying to carry on her fallen man's legacy.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Remember, remember the twenty-fifth of November: seems like Bioware has finally admitted they're just catering to the more vocal parts of the "community", instead of actually trying to create a decent role playing game.

Just when I thought they couldn't sink any lower...

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 26 novembre 2011 - 01:15 .

[Sebby]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Remember, remember the twenty-fifth of November: seems like Bioware has finally admitted they're just catering to the more vocal parts of the "community", instead of actually trying to create a decent role playing game.

Just when I thought they couldn't sink any lower...

Is it really a surprise? We saw that in action in ME2 where Garrus "eternal sidekick" Vakarian had the whole mentor relationship and the choice to not recruit him from ME1 be completely disgarded in order to fan pander.

[Xilizhra]

Seboist wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Remember, remember the twenty-fifth of November: seems like Bioware has finally admitted they're just catering to the more vocal parts of the "community", instead of actually trying to create a decent role playing game.

Just when I thought they couldn't sink any lower...

Is it really a surprise? We saw that in action in ME2 where Garrus "eternal sidekick" Vakarian had the whole mentor relationship and the choice to not recruit him from ME1 be completely disgarded in order to fan pander.

So if they make decisions to appeal to people that you don't happen to like, it's fan pandering. But if they did make decisions to appeal to you people, it would be good writing?

Hmmm.

[BlueMagitek]

You think it's too much for a player to ask, in a game series where choices are supposed to matter, that the choices they make matter? >_>

I'm sure most people recruited Garrus, but would it have killed them to do something significant for those that didn't recruit him? Heck, cutting him altogether would have been a significant change (no Shepard influence = no Archangel). Yeah, they would have missed out on content, but what they did would have meant something. Add more intergang violence on Omega; throwing together an extra firefight or two wouldn't have been too bad.

Let's put it this way; if your Shepard had to be all chummy with TIM and completely pro Cerberus, regardless of your actions in ME 1 & 2, would you not be annoyed? Would you not see that as fan pandering or bad writing?

[Xilizhra]

You think it's too much for a player to ask, in a game series where choices are supposed to matter, that the choices they make matter? >_>

If it's Seboist, yes.

I'm sure most people recruited Garrus, but would it have killed them to do something significant for those that didn't recruit him? Heck, cutting him altogether would have been a significant change (no Shepard influence = no Archangel). Yeah, they would have missed out on content, but what they did would have meant something. Add more intergang violence on Omega; throwing together an extra firefight or two wouldn't have been too bad.

A lesson they seemed to have learned by not having substitutes for the dead in ME3.

Let's put it this way; if your Shepard had to be all chummy with TIM and completely pro Cerberus, regardless of your actions in ME 1 & 2, would you not be annoyed? Would you not see that as fan pandering or bad writing?

Shepard's never shown to have the option of being friendly with those outright trying to kill her/him. Shepard's words and actions aren't being controlled more than usual here.

[BlueMagitek]

So now you're just racist against Vorcha? I see how it is.

Which does not address the point; is it good writing to have a relationship that you may not have even started canon, or would it have been better to add in something that reflected your choice?

Oh, I don't know, you get to spare Elnora, she was trying to kill him. You were also allowed to be friendly with Aria, that insane Warlord in ME 1, Krogan... Regardless, you can make a number of pro-Cerberus actions in ME2; from the Collector Base to the information that you can send back to Cerberus.

[Xilizhra]

Which does not address the point; is it good writing to have a relationship that you may not have even started canon, or would it have been better to add in something that reflected your choice?

The biggest error was making Garrus' recruitment optional.

Oh, I don't know, you get to spare Elnora, she was trying to kill him. You were also allowed to be friendly with Aria, that insane Warlord in ME 1, Krogan... Regardless, you can make a number of pro-Cerberus actions in ME2; from the Collector Base to the information that you can send back to Cerberus.

Shepard's never actually friendly towards Elnora (not to mention that all conversation takes place when Elnora isn't trying anything), Aria never tried to kill her, Darius is a mystery to me, and not all krogan try to kill her either.

[BlueMagitek]

No, the biggest error is not acknowledging the choice; at least Leliana has some sort of explanation. If you're going to give the player the ability to choose who they want on their party, you need to acknowledge that. Otherwise, don't give them a choice.

Elnora was trying to kill him not even minutes beforehand. Aria is exceptionally violent, as are Krogan. You can be friendly with Samara even when she threatens you with death, you can be friendly with Morinth even though she has tried to kill you (and will continue to do so). You can be friendly with Shiala, an ally of Saren who was attempting to kill you (multiple times). You can even offer to save Benezia's life, who tried to murder you by glitching you through the stairs.

[Xilizhra]

Elnora was trying to kill him not even minutes beforehand. Aria is exceptionally violent, as are Krogan. You can be friendly with Samara even when she threatens you with death, you can be friendly with Morinth even though she has tried to kill you (and will continue to do so). You can be friendly with Shiala, an ally of Saren who was attempting to kill you (multiple times). You can even offer to save Benezia's life, who tried to murder you by glitching you through the stairs.

None of whom are trying to kill you right then and there.

[BlueMagitek]

Xilizhra wrote...

Let's put it this way; if your Shepard had to be all chummy with TIM and completely pro Cerberus, regardless of your actions in ME 1 & 2, would you not be annoyed? Would you not see that as fan pandering or bad writing?

Shepard's never shown to have the option of being friendly with those outright trying to kill her/him. Shepard's words and actions aren't being controlled more than usual here.

You didn't specify at what time, nor did you respond to my other point about choices.

[Xilizhra]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Let's put it this way; if your Shepard had to be all chummy with TIM and completely pro Cerberus, regardless of your actions in ME 1 & 2, would you not be annoyed? Would you not see that as fan pandering or bad writing?

Shepard's never shown to have the option of being friendly with those outright trying to kill her/him. Shepard's words and actions aren't being controlled more than usual here.

You didn't specify at what time, nor did you respond to my other point about choices.

"Trying." The word is present tense. And from what I know, I don't think Garrus' inclusion was too badly handled choicewise.