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Colonist Shepard is capable of being extremely friendly to Talitha, despite her holding a gun at him.

You don't? So you'd be fine if Shepard romanced the VS regardless of your choice? Or if he always killed Wrex? It's mishandling the choice you made.

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Colonist Shepard is capable of being extremely friendly to Talitha, despite her holding a gun at him.

Unless TIM in ME3 is psychologically traumatized, mostly focused on potentially killing himself, and can be completely disabled after five dialogue lines, you're reaching so hard I can hear the tendons snapping.

You don't? So you'd be fine if Shepard romanced the VS regardless of your choice? Or if he always killed Wrex? It's mishandling the choice you made.

What exactly happens if you didn't recruit Garrus?

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I'm not the one who keeps restricting the pool of available choices. But if you want more, the woman who accidentally shoots Shepard on Feros in addition to all of the colonists who are trying to kill Shepard on Feros. Or do they not count either because of extenuating circumstance? They're still Shepard showing kindness to those who have made an attempt on his life.

ME 1? You miss out on that mission with the organ growing doctor. ME 2, very little.



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I'm not the one who keeps restricting the pool of available choices. But if you want more, the woman who accidentally shoots Shepard on Feros in addition to all of the colonists who are trying to kill Shepard on Feros. Or do they not count either because of extenuating circumstance? They're still Shepard showing kindness to those who have made an attempt on his life.

Fine. You have Cerberus troops presumably siding with the Reapers and trying to kill you this moment. What do you want your Shepard to do?

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Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not the one who keeps restricting the pool of available choices. But if you want more, the woman who accidentally shoots Shepard on Feros in addition to all of the colonists who are trying to kill Shepard on Feros. Or do they not count either because of extenuating circumstance? They're still Shepard showing kindness to those who have made an attempt on his life.

Fine. You have Cerberus troops presumably siding with the Reapers and trying to kill you this moment. What do you want your Shepard to do?

Would Shadow Broker Liara suddenly siding with the Reapers against Shepard be good writing, after you just helped her into power in the bridging DLC? No matter what your past relationship with her or anyone else was?

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~ COC "Vivec"

It's the only correct answer. Well, "Ebonheart" is also acceptable.

You're missing the point, if your Shepard's relationship with other people/factions is different than the one you've chosen in a previous game (where you had a choice on how you were allowed to treat said person/faction), would you see it as bad writing?

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not the one who keeps restricting the pool of available choices. But if you want more, the woman who accidentally shoots Shepard on Feros in addition to all of the colonists who are trying to kill Shepard on Feros. Or do they not count either because of extenuating circumstance? They're still Shepard showing kindness to those who have made an attempt on his life.

Fine. You have Cerberus troops presumably siding with the Reapers and trying to kill you this moment. What do you want your Shepard to do?

Would Shadow Broker Liara suddenly siding with the Reapers against Shepard be good writing, after you just helped her into power in the bridging DLC? No matter what your past relationship with her or anyone else was?

Are you upset about Harkin and Nassana Dantius doing that as well?

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Xilizhra wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not the one who keeps restricting the pool of available choices. But if you want more, the woman who accidentally shoots Shepard on Feros in addition to all of the colonists who are trying to kill Shepard on Feros. Or do they not count either because of extenuating circumstance? They're still Shepard showing kindness to those who have made an attempt on his life.

Fine. You have Cerberus troops presumably siding with the Reapers and trying to kill you this moment. What do you want your Shepard to do?

Would Shadow Broker Liara suddenly siding with the Reapers against Shepard be good writing, after you just helped her into power in the bridging DLC? No matter what your past relationship with her or anyone else was?

Are you upset about Harkin and Nassana Dantius doing that as well?

Those were relatively minor characters, and didn't side against Shepard as much as he did against them

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 26 novembre 2011 - 03:37 .


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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not the one who keeps restricting the pool of available choices. But if you want more, the woman who accidentally shoots Shepard on Feros in addition to all of the colonists who are trying to kill Shepard on Feros. Or do they not count either because of extenuating circumstance? They're still Shepard showing kindness to those who have made an attempt on his life.

Fine. You have Cerberus troops presumably siding with the Reapers and trying to kill you this moment. What do you want your Shepard to do?

Would Shadow Broker Liara suddenly siding with the Reapers against Shepard be good writing, after you just helped her into power in the bridging DLC? No matter what your past relationship with her or anyone else was?

Are you upset about Harkin and Nassana Dantius doing that as well?

Those were relatively minor characters, and didn't side as much against Shepard as he did against them

So you'd rather have Bioware control your actions than an NPC's?

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Xilizhra wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not the one who keeps restricting the pool of available choices. But if you want more, the woman who accidentally shoots Shepard on Feros in addition to all of the colonists who are trying to kill Shepard on Feros. Or do they not count either because of extenuating circumstance? They're still Shepard showing kindness to those who have made an attempt on his life.

Fine. You have Cerberus troops presumably siding with the Reapers and trying to kill you this moment. What do you want your Shepard to do?

Would Shadow Broker Liara suddenly siding with the Reapers against Shepard be good writing, after you just helped her into power in the bridging DLC? No matter what your past relationship with her or anyone else was?

Are you upset about Harkin and Nassana Dantius doing that as well?

Those were relatively minor characters, and didn't side as much against Shepard as he did against them

So you'd rather have Bioware control your actions than an NPC's?

They're already doing both.

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They're already doing both.

If TIM's actions were to remain the same, what would your Shepard do?

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Any time now.

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Xilizhra wrote...

They're already doing both.

If TIM's actions were to remain the same, what would your Shepard do?

It's not about what my Shepard would do, it's about what multiple Shepards could do, should be able to do.

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

They're already doing both.

If TIM's actions were to remain the same, what would your Shepard do?

It's not about what my Shepard would do, it's about what multiple Shepards could do, should be able to do.

Then what should their Shepards be able to do?

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It's a yes or no question, come on now.

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Keeping the Collector base should have made TIM want femshep to be on his bed not the freaking funeral home's.

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Xilizhra wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

They're already doing both.

If TIM's actions were to remain the same, what would your Shepard do?

It's not about what my Shepard would do, it's about what multiple Shepards could do, should be able to do.

Then what should their Shepards be able to do?

Siding with Cerberus or not, depending on their preferences; decide for themselves whether they value pro-humanism and use of dangerous tech over pro-alienism and cooperation.

It's not as if the stages and ultimate goal in the game should be radically different, just an alternate context and means of reaching that goal would be more than enough.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 26 novembre 2011 - 03:58 .


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Hey Sebo and all ye FemShep TIM-mancers, I have this great idea.

A re-enactment of Quentin Tarantino's Kill Bill (or, "Kill TIM"), in place of ME3's (allegedly) horrific plot.

Starring:

Commander Shepard as Beatrix Kiddo aka "The Bride"
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TIM as Bill
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Kasumi Goto as Oren Ishii
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Miranda Lawson as Elle Driver
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Jacob Taylor as Vernita Green
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Admiral David Anderson as Hattori Hanzo
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Admiral Steven Hackett as Pai Mei
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Seboist wrote...

Keeping the Collector base should have made TIM want femshep to be on his bed not the freaking funeral home's.

TIM is savvy enough to realize that Femshep could escape the dungeon.

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Xilizhra wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Keeping the Collector base should have made TIM want femshep to be on his bed not the freaking funeral home's.

TIM is savvy enough to realize that Femshep could escape the dungeon.

Femshep should be savvy enough to realise that only TIM can satisfy her lust.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 26 novembre 2011 - 04:18 .


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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Keeping the Collector base should have made TIM want femshep to be on his bed not the freaking funeral home's.

TIM is savvy enough to realize that Femshep could escape the dungeon.

Femshep should be savvy enough to realise that only TIM can satisfy her lust.


Her lust to be human dominated by him. <3

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Hey Sebo and all ye FemShep TIM-mancers, I have this great idea.

A re-enactment of Quentin Tarantino's Kill Bill (or, "Kill TIM"), in place of ME3's (allegedly) horrific plot.


Well, since the bride ended up getting knocked up by Bill I must say that it's definately an improvement over ME3's story.

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Xilizhra wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I'm not the one who keeps restricting the pool of available choices. But if you want more, the woman who accidentally shoots Shepard on Feros in addition to all of the colonists who are trying to kill Shepard on Feros. Or do they not count either because of extenuating circumstance? They're still Shepard showing kindness to those who have made an attempt on his life.

Fine. You have Cerberus troops presumably siding with the Reapers and trying to kill you this moment. What do you want your Shepard to do?

Would Shadow Broker Liara suddenly siding with the Reapers against Shepard be good writing, after you just helped her into power in the bridging DLC? No matter what your past relationship with her or anyone else was?

Are you upset about Harkin and Nassana Dantius doing that as well?

Harkin was always portrayed as a selfish a**.  Nassana....I do admit it made me raise an eyebrow when she went from willing to manipulate a spectre to kill a pirate group in her own interests to mass murdering her employees.  That was quite a jump, so when that asari said I knew what she was capable of, I kind of went 'Well, I knew she was manipulative, but mass murdering her employees wasn't what I had on my mind.'

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Seboist wrote...

Well, since the bride ended up getting knocked up by Bill I must say that it's definately an improvement over ME3's story.

And yet still not a very far departure, since they still try very hard at killing each other. Which IMO makes the best story.

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iOnlySignIn wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Well, since the bride ended up getting knocked up by Bill I must say that it's definately an improvement over ME3's story.

And yet still not a very far departure, since they still try very hard at killing each other. Which IMO makes the best story.


Former lovers at each other's throats? Great material right there. It beats the Illusive Saren story we have going on now with Renegade Shepard being stuck in a Paragon's game.