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[Sebby]

ME2 was really about a feud between the SB and TIM for Harbinger's love and affection. <3

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

Reading the ME3 spoilers. I wonder why TIM gets worked up over Shepard dying in ME2.

The two Shepard dies endings in ME2?

Yes. In both cases, he has that small moment of weakness. But from what I have been told, he really did not care much about Shepard to begin with.

Bioware are good writers, what are you talking about?

It also leads to my second grievance with ME2. Apparently, TIM could have skipped project Lazarus to begin with. In fact, if Shepard was a paragon, it would have been a far better alternative.

[Sebby]

There's really no reason why TIM can't call up pro-Cerberus renshep and say "I have a plan, you want in?". Well, besides Cerberus having been greatly weakened in Retribution but they completely disregarded that in order to turn them into a reaper allied superpower.

It's because of things like this that Renegade Shepard is as out of place in ME3 as Sonic the Hedgehog would be in Halo or Mega Man in Super Mario Bros.

Modifié par Seboist, 19 décembre 2011 - 11:44 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Seboist wrote...

There's really no reason why TIM can't call up pro-Cerberus renshep and say "I have a plan, you want in?". Well, besides Cerberus having been greatly weakened in Retribution but they completely disregarded that in order to turn them into a reaper allied superpower.

It's because of things like this that Renegade Shepard is as out of place in ME3 as Sonic the Hedgehog would be in Halo or Mega Man in Super Mario Bros.

Also thinking of it. Those after action reports from TIM that we could read in the mission complete screens are all also kinda irrelevant in the end (Mordin's loyalty mission springs to mind). I feel somewhat sorry now for the guy who wrote them.

Also, what is the time between Retribution and Invasion? Because I wonder how TIM can pull a fleet out of his ass after suffering major losses just like that (and with nobody noticing).

laecraft wrote...

I'm trying to figure out why ME2 was
even necessary to the story. Stopping the Collectors seems to be all
about delaying the attack on the Earth, and nobody seemed to do anything
useful with the time Shepard bought.

The only thing of relevance
to the war happened in the Arrival tacked on DLC, where Shepard stopped
the Reapers from gaining access to Alpha mass relay.

The problem
is, the threat is introduced and dealt with in the same DLC. Plus, it's
not made sufficiently clear why Alpha mass relay is so crucial. Not
enough time and resources is spared to build up the stakes.

Otherwise,
remove ME2, and it would make no difference for the story. It's
completely isolated, and even the relationship with the future
antagonist makes no difference in the end.

Well stated, especially the last part.

Modifié par Lizardviking, 19 décembre 2011 - 11:56 .

[Sebby]

Lizardviking wrote...

Seboist wrote...

There's really no reason why TIM can't call up pro-Cerberus renshep and say "I have a plan, you want in?". Well, besides Cerberus having been greatly weakened in Retribution but they completely disregarded that in order to turn them into a reaper allied superpower.

It's because of things like this that Renegade Shepard is as out of place in ME3 as Sonic the Hedgehog would be in Halo or Mega Man in Super Mario Bros.

Also thinking of it. Those after action reports from TIM that we could read in the mission complete screens are all also kinda irrelevant in the end (Mordin's loyalty mission springs to mind). I feel somewhat sorry now for the guy who wrote them.

Also, what is the time between Retribution and Invasion? Because I wonder how TIM can pull a fleet out of his ass after suffering major losses just like that (and with nobody noticing).

Yeah, if the data is kept TIM is supportive of curing the Krogans as they'd prove valuable as shock troops against the Reapers(he has some reservations of the long term consequences of course)..... and now he's sending his goons to Sur'Kesh to prevent it? What the ****?!

Also, it has him being concerned about a potential Geth-Quarian war as it would weaken the collective anti-Reaper war effort. He sent recon teams after the Haestrom mission to see if the Geth would retaliate against the Quarians and endorses working with the former. The fortunate thing about ME3 when it comes to this is that Cerberus doesn't appear to be involved in that plotline.

It's interesting to note in the summaries for destroying the data and the heretics he isn't gleeful about it at all. I don't know where these Paragons get this idea that he wants to wipe out aliens or whatever other rubbish they come up with to slander him.

RE: The time between Retribution and invasion..... I haven't a clue. I'm not sure I care to find out at this point TBH.

[Sebby]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Are you kidding? I've always thought Sonic and Mega Man should team up.

They both fight robots.

They both fight a mad scientist.

They're both blue.

That makes more sense than Cerberus and the Reapers teaming up.

[Xilizhra]

laecraft wrote...

I'm trying to figure out why ME2 was even necessary to the story. Stopping the Collectors seems to be all about delaying the attack on the Earth, and nobody seemed to do anything useful with the time Shepard bought.

The only thing of relevance to the war happened in the Arrival tacked on DLC, where Shepard stopped the Reapers from gaining access to Alpha mass relay.

The problem is, the threat is introduced and dealt with in the same DLC. Plus, it's not made sufficiently clear why Alpha mass relay is so crucial. Not enough time and resources is spared to build up the stakes.

Otherwise, remove ME2, and it would make no difference for the story. It's completely isolated, and even the relationship with the future antagonist makes no difference in the end.

It sets the quarian/geth conflict better, introduces the possibility of peace with the geth at some point, brings up krogan politics and the genophage in rather more detail, gives more insight into Cerberus, etc. There's plenty of things in ME2 that will appear in ME3.

[HiroVoid]

Xilizhra wrote...

laecraft wrote...

I'm trying to figure out why ME2 was even necessary to the story. Stopping the Collectors seems to be all about delaying the attack on the Earth, and nobody seemed to do anything useful with the time Shepard bought.

The only thing of relevance to the war happened in the Arrival tacked on DLC, where Shepard stopped the Reapers from gaining access to Alpha mass relay.

The problem is, the threat is introduced and dealt with in the same DLC. Plus, it's not made sufficiently clear why Alpha mass relay is so crucial. Not enough time and resources is spared to build up the stakes.

Otherwise, remove ME2, and it would make no difference for the story. It's completely isolated, and even the relationship with the future antagonist makes no difference in the end.

It sets the quarian/geth conflict better, introduces the possibility of peace with the geth at some point, brings up krogan politics and the genophage in rather more detail, gives more insight into Cerberus, etc. There's plenty of things in ME2 that will appear in ME3.

None of that's needed though, and just about every one of those things is optional.

[Sebby]

The biggest offense for making ME2's main plot irrelevant was making the capture of the CB optional. It's because of that they have to pull a deus ex machina out of their asses for ME3.

[Dean_the_Young]

That's why I was a big proponent of the Vanguard reaper theory back before it was negated. Had the Human Reaper been meant as a vanguard for a second attempt at the Citadel, and the Reapers left only after ME2, then ME2 would have at least had more meaning.

Add some ideas like the FTL journey being significantly weakening/harmful for the Reapers making it (thus why it's an emergency backup), that the Collectors were hoping to spark a Terminus-Council war by inciting a Human intervention (dividing the galaxy and giving the Reapers organic proxy-allies), and keep playing the role of the Geth (the Heretic-organic war continuing), and ME2 would have actually, well, stopped significant Reaper plans of consequence,

[Sebby]

Link

[Dave of Canada]

Looks slightly like the scary face meme.

[Sebby]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Looks slightly like the scary face meme.

I can picture TIM haunting me in my dreams by asking "Why have you forsaken me Seb?! You let those Paragons win!".

[Dave of Canada]

When the Birthday Skeleton comes, do you think he'll accept the possiblity of a ME3 script with no favoritism?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 23 décembre 2011 - 01:48 .

[Sebby]

Nothing short of divine intervention can save TIM at this point.

[Some Geth]

Seboist wrote...

Nothing short of divine intervention can save TIM at this point.

Don't hate on TIM! this is a thread for fans of him.

[Sebby]

Some Geth wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Nothing short of divine intervention can save TIM at this point.

Don't hate on TIM! this is a thread for fans of him.

We don't have the dignity to call ourselves fans of him anymore. The blood brotherhood failed to prevent the fan pandering and wanking that ruined his character. *bows head in shame*

[BlueMagitek]

You know, while part of me do admires what he's done, I always did think that it'd come down to a confrontation; post Reaper Galaxy, if one was to exist. >.>

[Sebby]

BlueMagitek wrote...

You know, while part of me do admires what he's done, I always did think that it'd come down to a confrontation; post Reaper Galaxy, if one was to exist. >.>

My femshep would confront him over not writing her any letters or making any phone calls when she was in prison. He has some explaining to do.

[Dave of Canada]

Our renegade interrupt popped up but when we activated it, we paragon hugged the forum.