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[Sebby]

naledgeborn wrote...

Been watching some X-Files throwbacks and it's unfortunate that TIM doesn't turn out to be a "bad guy for the greater good" like the Cancer Man. In fact I suspect that this is who TIM's character was originally based on which makes his portrayal in ME3 even more confusing.

Gotta fan ****** and cut as much corners as possible bro. I'm sure that BW being the hacks that they are would have have done the reverse if a majority of the fanbase kept the base and were pro-Cerberus.

[naledgeborn]

I understand that but throwing the character under the bus? It's ****ed up. If Shepard went from Space Jesus to Space Temujin the BSN would flip their wigs. Post-leak I can't take these guys seriously anymore.

[Sebby]

naledgeborn wrote...

I understand that but throwing the character under the bus? It's ****ed up. If Shepard went from Space Jesus to Space Temujin the BSN would flip their wigs. Post-leak I can't take these guys seriously anymore.

Some of the things in the leak and from the past games really make me question if this series is written by adults. There's tons of things that reak of it being a childish wish fulfilment fantasy from turning lifelong hardened criminals into social workers, terrorists turned great military ally and turning ruthless mercs who were forced to relive the traumatic experience that made them revenge obsessed for the past 20 years into a whimpering submissive pup to the person who did it to them. 

Yeah, what's done to TIM is ****ed up but I wouldn't expect any less from this company at this point.

Modifié par Seboist, 02 janvier 2012 - 09:21 .

[naledgeborn]

LOL. Zaeed should have shot Shepard in the back after that one.

[The Elder King]

Seboist wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

I understand that but throwing the character under the bus? It's ****ed up. If Shepard went from Space Jesus to Space Temujin the BSN would flip their wigs. Post-leak I can't take these guys seriously anymore.

Some of the things in the leak and from the past games really make me question if this series is written by adults. There's tons of things that reak of it being a childish wish fulfilment fantasy from turning lifelong hardened criminals into social workers, terrorists turned great military ally and turning ruthless mercs who were forced to relive the traumatic experience that made them revenge obsessed for the past 20 years into a whimpering submissive pup to the person who did it to them. 

Yeah, what's done to TIM is ****ed up but I wouldn't expect any less from this company at this point.

What do you mean with that? Are you talking about Zaeed and Vido?

[Sebby]

hhh89 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

I understand that but throwing the character under the bus? It's ****ed up. If Shepard went from Space Jesus to Space Temujin the BSN would flip their wigs. Post-leak I can't take these guys seriously anymore.

Some of the things in the leak and from the past games really make me question if this series is written by adults. There's tons of things that reak of it being a childish wish fulfilment fantasy from turning lifelong hardened criminals into social workers, terrorists turned great military ally and turning ruthless mercs who were forced to relive the traumatic experience that made them revenge obsessed for the past 20 years into a whimpering submissive pup to the person who did it to them. 

Yeah, what's done to TIM is ****ed up but I wouldn't expect any less from this company at this point.

What do you mean with that? Are you talking about Zaeed and Vido?

Yep, Zaeed talked about how Vido had him held down while he shoved a gun in his face before pulling the trigger and what does Paragon Shepard do? Shove a gun in Zaeed's face while he's held down by rubble.

That act alone warrants Zaeed ramming an axe into the skull of Parashep, not to mention allowing Vido to escape.

[The Elder King]

Seboist wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

What do you mean with that? Are you talking about Zaeed and Vido?

Yep, Zaeed talked about how Vido had him held down while he shoved a gun in his face before pulling the trigger and what does Paragon Shepard do? Shove a gun in Zaeed's face while he's held down by rubble.

That act alone warrants Zaeed ramming an axe into the skull of Parashep, not to mention allowing Vido to escape.

Ah, now I understood. I assumed you where talking about ME3.

[XzorshTheConqueror]

Seboist wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

I understand that but throwing the character under the bus? It's ****ed up. If Shepard went from Space Jesus to Space Temujin the BSN would flip their wigs. Post-leak I can't take these guys seriously anymore.

Some of the things in the leak and from the past games really make me question if this series is written by adults. There's tons of things that reak of it being a childish wish fulfilment fantasy from turning lifelong hardened criminals into social workers, terrorists turned great military ally and turning ruthless mercs who were forced to relive the traumatic experience that made them revenge obsessed for the past 20 years into a whimpering submissive pup to the person who did it to them. 

Yeah, what's done to TIM is ****ed up but I wouldn't expect any less from this company at this point.

That's why I'm thinking the leaked script was fake. Some of the spoilers were so over the top terrible that it makes Shadows of Undrentide look like an epic. Bioware's writing has never matched Black Isle/Obsidian, imho, but overall their storytelling has been decent at the very least, superb in some cases (Baldur's Gate I, II, and Throne of Bhaal, Hordes of the Underdark). This leaked script does not match their level of quality. It's almost like a parody of the ultimate paragon wet dream.

[Sebby]

XzorshTheConqueror wrote...

Seboist wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

I understand that but throwing the character under the bus? It's ****ed up. If Shepard went from Space Jesus to Space Temujin the BSN would flip their wigs. Post-leak I can't take these guys seriously anymore.

Some of the things in the leak and from the past games really make me question if this series is written by adults. There's tons of things that reak of it being a childish wish fulfilment fantasy from turning lifelong hardened criminals into social workers, terrorists turned great military ally and turning ruthless mercs who were forced to relive the traumatic experience that made them revenge obsessed for the past 20 years into a whimpering submissive pup to the person who did it to them. 

Yeah, what's done to TIM is ****ed up but I wouldn't expect any less from this company at this point.

That's why I'm thinking the leaked script was fake. Some of the spoilers were so over the top terrible that it makes Shadows of Undrentide look like an epic. Bioware's writing has never matched Black Isle/Obsidian, imho, but overall their storytelling has been decent at the very least, superb in some cases (Baldur's Gate I, II, and Throne of Bhaal, Hordes of the Underdark). This leaked script does not match their level of quality. It's almost like a parody of the ultimate paragon wet dream.

I wish it were. Bioware really exceeded my expectations with the story, unfortunately not in a good way.

Modifié par Seboist, 03 janvier 2012 - 01:04 .

[Dave of Canada]

Since when has Bioware ever hurt their lawful good paladins of purity in any game, except for possibly Harrowmont?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 03 janvier 2012 - 06:23 .

[BlueMagitek]

Anywhere dwarves are involved in Dragon Age?

Edit:

Curses, you edited as I was typing. XD

It isn't just Harrowmont, going through with the Dark Ritual wouldn't (or really shouldn't) be a paragon decision and while the final outcome has yet to be seen it was claimed to be the most important decision in the game, Loghain's fate, potentially sparing the Architech (though they seem to have given themselves an out on that one). 

Modifié par BlueMagitek, 03 janvier 2012 - 06:30 .

[Dave of Canada]

I forgot about it because most of the lawful good paladins of purity soon decided to metagame the hell out of them suddenly seeing Bhelen being the ideal king despite being corrupt and ruthless, saying they're "genre savvy".

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 03 janvier 2012 - 06:28 .

[Sebby]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I forgot about it because most of the lawful good paladins of purity soon decided to metagame the hell out of them suddenly seeing Bhelen being the ideal king despite being corrupt and ruthless, saying they're "genre savvy".

There's no shortage of mental gymnastics and inability to look past how things are presented on the surface with the lawful good paladins.

[BlueMagitek]

Well, that's what you get when the most popular choice is Human Noble (don't get me wrong, it's a good choice, but you don't really get to see Bhelen without playing at least Dwarvern Noble, Castless is another good choice).

[Dave of Canada]

You're still capable of seeing enough of Bhelen even without touching the Dwarf Noble, otherwise the majority of people wouldn't have sided with Harrowmont at first only to find themselves metagaming down the line.

Dark Ritual doesn't really count because there's no implied consequences, it might result in the "happiest" of the endings. More so since it's implied to involve mages in DA2 which everybody and their mother supports.

[Sebby]

Dave, didn't you have a friend who did a complete reversal in the Legion LM when he found out which choices were P and R?

[Dave of Canada]

 Yeah, he didn't want to rewrite them because Paragon Shepard was against it.

Then he rewrote them because that was the paragon choice.

[Dean_the_Young]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Since when has Bioware ever hurt their lawful good paladins of purity in any game, except for possibly Harrowmont?

Dunno, but they could definitely take a tip from the Order of the Stick.

Lawful Good paladin who is a complete ****, for one. And General Tarquin, who would be my custom avatar if I knew how to make a custom avatar.

[Sebby]

The ironic thing is that a lot of these "Paragon" choices like setting the Rachni loose, curing the genophage and rewriting/empowering the Geth fit the bill of an anti-council troublemaker creating chaos(a "renegade") than someone who's lawful good.

[Dave of Canada]

It's more about feel good vs feel bad, writers obviously catering to the feel good crowd. I mean, have you seen the countless folk who said they don't want renegade to benefit at all because that'd mean the writers support "murder"?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 04 janvier 2012 - 12:32 .

[Sebby]

Dave of Canada wrote...

It's more about feel good vs feel bad, writers obviously catering to the feel good crowd. I mean, have you seen the countless folk who said they don't want renegade to benefit at all because that'd mean the writers support "murder"?

Yeah, like I've said if one puts any thought into the "choices" beyond wanting to feel warm and fuzzy(Paragon) or trolling for the lulz(Renegade) then they're thinking too hard. Heaven forbid killing the Rachni boosts Shepard's reputation with the Krogan or bombing the heretics does the same with the Quarians.

It's pretty sad that family friendly Nintendo does a better portrayal of renegade choices in their Metroid series. Heck, Metroid 2 was all about wiping out every last Metroid on their homeplanet and sending the very last infant to a research station for the benefit for humanity.

[GodWood]

Dean_the_Young wrote...
Lawful Good paladin who is a complete ****, for one. And General Tarquin, who would be my custom avatar if I knew how to make a custom avatar.

Enjoy

[BlueMagitek]

Dave of Canada wrote...

You're still capable of seeing enough of Bhelen even without touching the Dwarf Noble, otherwise the majority of people wouldn't have sided with Harrowmont at first only to find themselves metagaming down the line.

Dark Ritual doesn't really count because there's no implied consequences, it might result in the "happiest" of the endings. More so since it's implied to involve mages in DA2 which everybody and their mother supports.

Oh yes, I agree, but you don't really get the true amount of him until you play DN.  I mean, when you hear "I promised his father on his deathbed that I wouldn't let him ascend the throne", you figure that's some insane exaggeration.  And then you find out that it's actually rather likely. ~_~

Dark Ritual counts; it's a chaotic, selfish action that you don't know the outcome of.  And depending on your relationship and view of Morrigan, it can be making a deal with the devil.  You can either:

a) Kill the Archdemon at the cost of your / your ally's soul, which will definately put down the Archdemon.

or

Trust in Morrigan's (supposedly) untested ritual that *might* work, but it gives Morrigan (and potentially Flemeth) power over a god child.

B isn't the choice of a Lawful Good (or Paragon, if you would prefer) character, and if it results in the happiest of endings, that ending is something the more morally ambiguous would get.

And you all are quite incorrect; Paragon Shepard is pretty clearly Chaotic Good (or Neutral Good who veers into Chaotic Good now and then), not Lawful Good.  I actually don't think any Spectre *can* be lawful good; their entire purpose is to enact the will of the Council outside of the law.  Renegade Shepard, in my opinion, seems to vary from Chaotic Neutral to Chaotic Evil (just from some of the less sensible and more violent choices, not the major ones).

[Sebby]

It's clear the spectres are a space gestapo force for an alien racial caste clique but the average paragon views them as Jackie Chan supercop while at the same time condemning Cerberus as EVUL SPACE TURRISTS.

It reminds me of people loving the Krogan and hating the Batarians when the former is just as bad and were WAY worse during the rebellions.

[GodWood]

Don't forget that they relish the idea of batarian genocide yet see the genophage as a terrible crime that must be undone.