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[Sebby]

GodWood wrote...

Don't forget that they relish the idea of batarian genocide yet see the genophage as a terrible crime that must be undone.

Lol I've seen people condemning Cerberus for wanting to "wipe out aliens" and then turn around and say how they want the Batarians and Vorcha to get wiped out by the Reapers.

[HiroVoid]

Vorcha are the true underdogs of the galaxy.

[Sebby]

HiroVoid wrote...

Vorcha are the true underdogs of the galaxy.

Vorcha are good people, they rebuild colonies while Asari skanks shake their asses in strip joints and Quarians pickpocket.

[BlueMagitek]

Seboist wrote...

It's clear the spectres are a space gestapo force for an alien racial caste clique but the average paragon views them as Jackie Chan supercop while at the same time condemning Cerberus as EVUL SPACE TURRISTS.

It reminds me of people loving the Krogan and hating the Batarians when the former is just as bad and were WAY worse during the rebellions.

Well, Spectres can be both super cops while being gestapo, the two aren't mutually exclusive.

However, there can be only one Jackie Chan.

The Krogan do have that Mandalorian thing going for them; people like them even though they commited genocide on the Cathar.  And we get not one, but two Krogan squadmates while the only Batarians we really get to see are jerks and terrorists (a shopkeep nonwithstanding).  I mean, if Garrus wasn't on our squad, we'd probably see a lot less people liking them; the other major Turian characters are basically Saren & T. Councilor, not the best representatives you can have.

[Sebby]

The Paragons don't seem bothered that Wrex was the most renegade squadmate in ME1 who advocated every ren decision(besides the one that involves killing him ) or that he never condemns the Krogans' aggressive nature nor advocates integrating them with the council system. He isn't much different from Zaeed whom they hate.

The same with Grunt who flat out says he hates Turians and loves talking about killing and mutilation but he gets a pass.

[GodWood]

A lot of the popular characters are primarily renegade.

Wrex, Mordin, Miranda, Garrus, Legion (I guess). Christ, even Liara's renegade in LotSB.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

GodWood wrote...

A lot of the popular characters are primarily renegade.

Wrex, Mordin, Miranda, Garrus, Legion (I guess). Christ, even Liara's renegade in LotSB.

Most of those listen to paragon reasoning and can agree with their choice (CB for example).

[BlueMagitek]

Seboist wrote...

The Paragons don't seem bothered that Wrex was the most renegade squadmate in ME1 who advocated every ren decision(besides the one that involves killing him ) or that he never condemns the Krogans' aggressive nature nor advocates integrating them with the council system. He isn't much different from Zaeed whom they hate.

The same with Grunt who flat out says he hates Turians and loves talking about killing and mutilation but he gets a pass.

"The Paragons"?  Are they a seperate people now?  You do know I'm primarily a Paragade/Renegon player, right?

Well, if I remember correctly, Wrex does condemn the Krogan nature of becoming mercenaries at one point in his conversations.  He acknowledges that there is a problem with how the Krogan are going about their lives.  But that isn't the point; I'm sure they would have hated Okeer had he been the companion.   One of the reasons that the Krogan are liked is because they're underdogs; they've been screwed by the Council (like the Quarians) and they continue on. They have a very good representative in Wrex, an aged warrior who turns Warlord.

As for Zaeed.... he's an icky human with a strange dialog system, no one likes him!  Now, if you excuse me, I'm going to Kasumi's for drinks.

Wrex and Zaeed are a bit alike, but I'd imagine the main factor that comes into their dislike of Zaeed is the loyalty mission, because Shepard and the other companion totally had a plan for being surrounded by a dozen guys who had the high ground and guns on 'em. >_>

Basically they're too used to playing with god mode on to deal with someone who doesn't have that feature. I don't know what they're complaining about; they get to keep his loyalty for some reason. 

Oh come on now, who hasn't wanted to get rid of a few Turians at one point? I don't know, Grunt's fanbase doesn't seem too hot.

[Sebby]

GodWood wrote...

A lot of the popular characters are primarily renegade.

Wrex, Mordin, Miranda, Garrus, Legion (I guess). Christ, even Liara's renegade in LotSB.

Liara's the most favorable to Cerberus of the original cast too. She speaks of them in a glowing manner in the beginning of LOTSB.

[BlueMagitek]

GodWood wrote...

A lot of the popular characters are primarily renegade.

Wrex, Mordin, Miranda, Garrus, Legion (I guess). Christ, even Liara's renegade in LotSB.

Don't forget Tali & Thane.  

As sad as it may be, I think the only major Paragon leaning characters are Anderson and Kaiden, and I'm still not sure about Anderson.

[Sebby]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The Paragons don't seem bothered that Wrex was the most renegade squadmate in ME1 who advocated every ren decision(besides the one that involves killing him ) or that he never condemns the Krogans' aggressive nature nor advocates integrating them with the council system. He isn't much different from Zaeed whom they hate.

The same with Grunt who flat out says he hates Turians and loves talking about killing and mutilation but he gets a pass.

"The Paragons"?  Are they a seperate people now?  You do know I'm primarily a Paragade/Renegon player, right?

They're a seperate evil people, yes.

And I'll have you know that even my most Renegade pro-human dominance/Cerberus Shepard is one third Paragon (565 Paragon and 1092 Renegade to be precise).

Modifié par Seboist, 04 janvier 2012 - 08:08 .

[GodWood]

Lizardviking wrote...
Most of those listen to paragon reasoning and can agree with their choice (CB for example).

Which is a shame. When they're at the base they actually provide logical and convincing arguements in favour of keeping it (except miranda) then when back on the Normandy they say you should've blown it 'just cuz'.

As a matter of fact, not one single companion even tries to give a logical reason to blow it when you're there.

Look!

Garrus: I don't know, Shepard. What happened here was horrible, but we have to stop the Reapers. If we destroy this base then all these people died for nothing.

Grunt: He's right. When your enemy gives you a weapon, you use it. You might not get another chance.

Jack: Seriously? Shepard, he's a user, just like Collectors.

Jacob: It's better because we'll do it? Shepard, this is way over the line.

Kasumi: Shep, he's talking about doing it all again. How will that help anything?

Legion: Shepard-Commander, this facility is data. It has no inherent ethical value. Destroying it will not return those lost. Keeping it may save others.

Miranda: I'm not so sure. Seeing it first hand--using anything from this base seems like a betrayal.

Mordin: Agreed. Collector base horrific. Vile experiments, but should use what's here. Risks galaxy to ignore opportunity.

Samara: You have not really defeated the enemy if you adopt their methods.

Tali: Shepard, we fought to stop it. Us using it doesn't make it right.

Thane: Shepard/Siha, I've made a life of killing those who deserve to die. We must struggle to not become what we hate.

Zaeed: Someone gives you a weapon, you don't complain that it's dirty--you use it

*Bold = renegade.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

GodWood wrote...

I am aware of those. But I was also talking about their attitude on their loyalty missions and throughout the game.

Miranda can be convinced to not kill Niket and seems to soften up throughout the story instead of remaining an ice-queen.

Garrus can be persuaded to spare Sidonis.

Mordin will defend his position against a paragon but in the end seem convinced that what he did was wrong, can also be stopped from shooting Maelon.

[Sebby]

It's good to see that my boy Zaeed stuck to his guns..... even if it's only due to him not saying anything after the SM.

[GodWood]

Yes Shepard's indoctrination knows no bounds. It's a shame his advice is never actually insightful.

[Sebby]

GodWood wrote...

Yes Shepard's indoctrination knows no bounds. It's a shame his advice is never actually insightful.

Shepard has an easier time reforming hardened criminals than parents do with teaching their kids.

[Aeowyn]

GodWood wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...
Most of those listen to paragon reasoning and can agree with their choice (CB for example).

Which is a shame. When they're at the base they actually provide logical and convincing arguements in favour of keeping it (except miranda) then when back on the Normandy they say you should've blown it 'just cuz'.

As a matter of fact, not one single companion even tries to give a logical reason to blow it when you're there.

Look!

Garrus: I don't know, Shepard. What happened here was horrible, but we have to stop the Reapers. If we destroy this base then all these people died for nothing.

Grunt: He's right. When your enemy gives you a weapon, you use it. You might not get another chance.

Jack: Seriously? Shepard, he's a user, just like Collectors.

Jacob: It's better because we'll do it? Shepard, this is way over the line.

Kasumi: Shep, he's talking about doing it all again. How will that help anything?

Legion: Shepard-Commander, this facility is data. It has no inherent ethical value. Destroying it will not return those lost. Keeping it may save others.

Miranda: I'm not so sure. Seeing it first hand--using anything from this base seems like a betrayal.

Mordin: Agreed. Collector base horrific. Vile experiments, but should use what's here. Risks galaxy to ignore opportunity.

Samara: You have not really defeated the enemy if you adopt their methods.

Tali: Shepard, we fought to stop it. Us using it doesn't make it right.

Thane: Shepard/Siha, I've made a life of killing those who deserve to die. We must struggle to not become what we hate.

Zaeed: Someone gives you a weapon, you don't complain that it's dirty--you use it

*Bold = renegade.

Well Garrus doesn't really tell you that you did a mistake in keeping the Base when you're back on Normany. He just says something like "I hope Cerberus can find something useful from the Collector Base. Watch yourself Shepard." 
He's really the only one who of the squaddies who doesn't say "Omg you stupid ****, you should've blown it up." (more or less)

[HiroVoid]

Yeah....the writer for the SM, and the writer for the characters's responses afterwards must have not talked to each other before release date.

[Sebby]

Morinth says something along the lines of  "I don't know if it was wise giving it to the Illusive man, hope you made the right choice" in a completely neutral tone too.

Morinth as Shepard waifu. <3

[GodWood]

Aeowyn wrote...
Well Garrus doesn't really tell you that you did a mistake in keeping the Base when you're back on Normany. He just says something like "I hope Cerberus can find something useful from the Collector Base. Watch yourself Shepard." 
He's really the only one who of the squaddies who doesn't say "Omg you stupid ****, you should've blown it up." (more or less)

What does he say if you do blow it?

[Sebby]

HiroVoid wrote...

Yeah....the writer for the SM, and the writer for the characters's responses afterwards must have not talked to each other before release date.

The whole thing with the responses after the SM was what trigged my realization of the whole Paragon bias of this series and was a very bad omen of what was to come.

[Aeowyn]

GodWood wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...
Well Garrus doesn't really tell you that you did a mistake in keeping the Base when you're back on Normany. He just says something like "I hope Cerberus can find something useful from the Collector Base. Watch yourself Shepard." 
He's really the only one who of the squaddies who doesn't say "Omg you stupid ****, you should've blown it up." (more or less)

What does he say if you do blow it?

"First Saren and now the Collectors. Remind me never to get on your bad side."

[GodWood]

Good Garrus.

[Sebby]

Garrus is a good Cerberus blood brother. He's more deserving of being called human than Anderscum and his ilk.