Ce sujet est ferméAeowyn wrote...
He's really the only one who of the squaddies who doesn't say "Omg you stupid ****, you should've blown it up." (more or less)
Guess the writers forgot to change that line.
Brotherhood of Cerberus - The Illusive Man Discussion/Support Thread
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Posté 04 janvier 2012 - 08:52
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Guess the writers forgot to change that line.
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Posté 04 janvier 2012 - 09:05
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Here's what resident uber-paragon "Phaedon" did of the Cerberus blood brotherhood. 
Oh man, it says more about him than it does us.
Oh man, it says more about him than it does us.
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Posté 04 janvier 2012 - 09:08
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Yes, heaven forbid if you want to sleep with asari.
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Posté 04 janvier 2012 - 09:10
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T.I.M. bad person. I hope killed him myself in ME3.
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Posté 04 janvier 2012 - 09:18
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This is my collage. There are many like it, but this one is mine.Seboist wrote...
Here's what resident uber-paragon "Phaedon" did of the Cerberus blood brotherhood.
Oh man, it says more about him than it does us.
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Posté 04 janvier 2012 - 09:22
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I like how TIM,TIM,Proto-TIM and a Tiger are all grouped together. LOL
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Posté 04 janvier 2012 - 08:25
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How is Phaedon an 'uber-Paragon'?
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Posté 04 janvier 2012 - 08:30
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Unlike the Krogans, the Batarians are weak and useless.Seboist wrote...
It reminds me of people loving the Krogan and hating the Batarians when the former is just as bad and were WAY worse during the rebellions.
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Posté 04 janvier 2012 - 09:37
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iOnlySignIn wrote...
How is Phaedon an 'uber-Paragon'?
Among other things he really really hates Cerberus, the blood brotherhood and the renegade path.
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Posté 04 janvier 2012 - 09:44
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iOnlySignIn wrote...
Unlike the Krogans, the Batarians are weak and useless.Seboist wrote...
It reminds me of people loving the Krogan and hating the Batarians when the former is just as bad and were WAY worse during the rebellions.
False and Batarian women are hawt.
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Posté 04 janvier 2012 - 10:32
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Unlike the Krogans, the Batarians are weak and useless.Seboist wrote...
It reminds me of people loving the Krogan and hating the Batarians when the former is just as bad and were WAY worse during the rebellions.
The batarians are still stronger than the krogan as they control multiple worlds and have an actual space fleet. The krogan have nothing.
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Posté 04 janvier 2012 - 11:27
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Batarians are strapped with all the artillery they need.
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Posté 05 janvier 2012 - 01:24
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What does it say about me?Seboist wrote...
Here's what resident uber-paragon "Phaedon" did of the Cerberus blood brotherhood.
Oh man, it says more about him than it does us.
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Posté 05 janvier 2012 - 01:37
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Dean_the_Young wrote...
What does it say about me?
That you're not cool enough to be grouped with us.
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Posté 05 janvier 2012 - 06:28
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The Yawg have nothing. Neither did Humanity in 2157. Neither did the U.S. in 1800, Germany in 1932, or China in 1980. It's about potential.Saphra Deden wrote...
The batarians are still stronger than the krogan as they control multiple worlds and have an actual space fleet. The krogan have nothing.
Pre-Council Humans lost to the Turians in the FCW and yet curbstomped the Batarians in the Blitz and in Torfan. Humans have practically driven Batarians towards extinction (talk to Balak or any Batarian), even before the Bahak incident. *Without* using any WMD like the genophage. That is exactly why Batarians suck.
Without any WMD Pre-Genophage Krogans curbstomped Rachni, and the Citadel Races (Asari + Salarian) combined.
Therefore, by order of power,
Batarians < Pre-Council Humans < Turians, Asari + Salarians < Rachni < Pre-Genophage Krogans
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Posté 05 janvier 2012 - 07:32
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I wonder why the salarians couldn't just genocide the rachni with their bio-weapons.
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Posté 05 janvier 2012 - 07:41
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The Yawg have nothing. Neither did Humanity in 2157. Neither did the U.S. in 1800, Germany in 1932, or China in 1980. It's about potential.Saphra Deden wrote...
The batarians are still stronger than the krogan as they control multiple worlds and have an actual space fleet. The krogan have nothing.
Pre-Council Humans lost to the Turians in the FCW and yet curbstomped the Batarians in the Blitz and in Torfan. Humans have practically driven Batarians towards extinction (talk to Balak or any Batarian), even before the Bahak incident. *Without* using any WMD like the genophage. That is exactly why Batarians suck.
Without any WMD Pre-Genophage Krogans curbstomped Rachni, and the Citadel Races (Asari + Salarian) combined.
Therefore, by order of power,
Batarians < Pre-Council Humans < Turians, Asari + Salarians < Rachni < Pre-Genophage Krogans
Alliance never fought the Hegemony directly.
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Posté 05 janvier 2012 - 08:31
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The Yawg have nothing. Neither did Humanity in 2157. Neither did the U.S. in 1800, Germany in 1932, or China in 1980. It's about potential.
So what's the plan, uplift the krogan so they can help us fight the Reapers in 400 years? Why bother?
What do we need krogan for? Is it their biology?
Their biological strengths are irrelevant thanks to technology.
We don't need them. We're better off letting them wallow on their homeworld.
Whatever the pre-genophage krogan did is irrelevant. Those krogan are gone and the current krogan can't have numbers like that without first being given centuries to breed.
It's not just breeding. They have to build a space-faring civilization that has outposts in space. They don't have the time to do that and they wouldn't be able to do it any better than we could. In the time it would take for them to build up they'd just wind up using resources we could have claimed ourselves.
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Posté 05 janvier 2012 - 09:13
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The Yawg have nothing. Neither did Humanity in 2157. Neither did the U.S. in 1800, Germany in 1932, or China in 1980. It's about potential.Saphra Deden wrote...
The batarians are still stronger than the krogan as they control multiple worlds and have an actual space fleet. The krogan have nothing.
*Without* using any WMD like the genophage.
Without any WMD Pre-Genophage Krogans curbstomped Rachni, and the Citadel Races (Asari + Salarian) combined.
Therefore, by order of power,
Batarians < Pre-Council Humans < Turians, Asari + Salarians < Rachni < Pre-Genophage Krogans
What makes the salarians superior is exactly their mind and use of bioweapons. They aren't going to fight the krogan with brute physical strength or numbers. They allowed the krogan to wipe the rachni out...then they allowed the krogan to live. But in a pale semblance of life. Until they need the krogan the second time.
Mind > Muscle. Organic matter is weakness, because it can be killed. Being able to store your mind elsewhere, having extra platforms, or extra tech to take care of your organic parts, is always a plus. Therefore, in order of viability:
EDI > Shepard > Reapers > geth > quarians > salarians, asari, turians > everybody else
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Posté 06 janvier 2012 - 12:34
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They can't land on the Rachni homeworlds. I would also assume that they know far less about Rachni physiology than Krogan, because Rachni are much more different from Salarians.laecraft wrote...
I wonder why the salarians couldn't just genocide the rachni with their bio-weapons.
Perhaps that's because the Hegemony knows they have no chance of winning if they fought the Alliance directly? Why resort to sponsoring terrorist organizations when you could win in a straight up confrontation?Seboist wrote...
Alliance never fought the Hegemony directly.
You have misunderstood me. I do not wish to restore the Krogan to their former glory or prosperity. I'm merely stating the obvious fact that Krogans make excellent soldiers, and that they could be easily bred/cloned in labs. Why sacrifice Human lives when you could have a Krogan army fight for you? Krogans, who have evolved to be excellent fighting machines, filled with instincts to fight and survive?Saphra Deden wrote...
Whatever the pre-genophage krogan did is irrelevant. Those krogan are gone and the current krogan can't have numbers like that without first being given centuries to breed.
It's not just breeding. They have to build a space-faring civilization that has outposts in space. They don't have the time to do that and they wouldn't be able to do it any better than we could. In the time it would take for them to build up they'd just wind up using resources we could have claimed ourselves.
Saren held the same idea. I've always thought it's a good idea.
Sure, sure, I never denied that.laecraft wrote...
Mind > Muscle.
But you need both Mind and Muscle. Or otherwise the Citedel Council would not have existed, instead it would have been the Salarian Empire or the Geth Union.
I like to think that Humanity does not lack Mind. That's why we need Muscle to complement our strength. That's where I see the value of the Krogan and the Rachni, even if some are too afraid to use them.
And that is why I say the Batarians are weak and useless, because they have neither Mind nor Muscle. Their history after the arrival of Humanity is a history of blunders, failures, and humiliating defeats due to ineptitude and stupidity.
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Posté 06 janvier 2012 - 12:54
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You have misunderstood me. I do not wish to restore the Krogan to their former glory or prosperity. I'm merely stating the obvious fact that Krogans make excellent soldiers,
You don't get it.
We don't need soldiers. Soldiers are useless. We need ships, lots of ships. Soldiers won't destroy Reaper cruisers or dreadnoughts.
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Posté 06 janvier 2012 - 01:27
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Curing the Genophage might well make matters worse, should the Krogan fall prey to the Reapers and become their foot soldiers. I mean, the Reapers would probably cure it if they desperately required foot-soldiers or had a sizable amount of females in their grasp (they were involved with Virmire, after all) but as long as the genophage remains intact, the odd Krogan female being indoctrinated here or there won't change much.
On the other hand, curing it might turn the couple of indoctrinated females into a Reaper breeding farm.
Krogan won't be useful until the young ones the cured genophage bring grow up into soldiers, something which we have no time to wait for. I'd rather manage the risk.
On the other hand, curing it might turn the couple of indoctrinated females into a Reaper breeding farm.
Krogan won't be useful until the young ones the cured genophage bring grow up into soldiers, something which we have no time to wait for. I'd rather manage the risk.
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We don't need soldiers. Soldiers are useless. We need ships, lots of ships. Soldiers won't destroy Reaper cruisers or dreadnoughts.
I'm thinking about the long term. What happens *after* the Reapers are defeated. Do you think the rest of the Galaxy are just going to happily welcome the overlordship of their Human saviors? The Krogans saved them from the Rachni, and look what gratitude they got in return. You don't impose law and order on rebellious civilians with orbital bombardment when you have other choices, do you?Dave of Canada wrote...
Curing the Genophage might well make matters worse, should the Krogan fall prey to the Reapers and become their foot soldiers.
Why do you people assume that Humanity's struggle for dominance ends with the defeat of the Reapers, I shall never know.
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Posté 06 janvier 2012 - 01:46
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Here's a YT (courtesy of Didymos) that shows cut audio files where TIM recognizes Renegade Shepard's alignment, praises him/her for being pragmatic and mentions that his/her history showed that s/he would be agreeable to his cause.
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God damn, as if we didn't have enough evidence that the Renegade/Cerberus path is one big cut corner and tacked on troll mode. This **** pisses me off.
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God damn, as if we didn't have enough evidence that the Renegade/Cerberus path is one big cut corner and tacked on troll mode. This **** pisses me off.
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Posté 06 janvier 2012 - 01:50
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Ignoring metagame and the script, the Krogan aren't going to be helpful to humanity by curing them. Infact, it could make matters worse (again). Wreav isn't somebody you'd want to place your tokens on and Wrex's entire plan on controlling the Krogan depends on the genophage and using the females as a bargaining chip.
Should Wrex "reform" the Krogan, he'd more likely assist Shepard (and humanity) than him losing control of his group and being assassinated by the traditionalist Krogan. Wreav wouldn't help at all.
Should Wrex "reform" the Krogan, he'd more likely assist Shepard (and humanity) than him losing control of his group and being assassinated by the traditionalist Krogan. Wreav wouldn't help at all.
