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[ubermensch007]

Boo-Yah!!



Got it:

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Modifié par ubermensch007, 14 septembre 2011 - 01:48 .

[Seboist]

TIM just needs a white suit and then we'll have Mass Effect: Saturday Night Fever.

[OmegaXI]

Dave of Canada wrote...

 From this thread:


Can't say I'm too happy about the standard villain pose.

Edit: Destroying Omega is pretty bad too.

Well if TIM takes over Omega could this explain where he gets all of his Cerberus troops? I mean reading the Enemy descriptions on the ME3 N7OPS the descriptions it does not say anything about the cerberus troops being human.

Thats sounds more like TIM's thinking indoctrinate humans and aliens living on Omega to fight for Cerberus. He gets a space station and he gets a pretty good amount of test subjects and canon fodder . I mean why would TIM just kill the aliens when he could actual use them, he's cold and calculating this would be more his style and just wiping out everyone on Omega.

[Seboist]

TIM wouldn't need to indoctrinate aliens to have them work for Cerberus. There's plenty of them from the marginalized or non-citadel species like the Vorcha, Krogan, Batarians and Drell that would not only willingly work for them but gleefully in exchange for whatever concessions(ex. higher standard of living for the Vorcha operatives).

I've had a theory ever since the "Cerberus are enemies" news that TIM might've recruited Batarians with the promise he'd give them an opportunity to have revenge against the "butcher of Aratoht".

[PauseforEffect]

Seboist wrote...

PrimalEden wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Though even if I do fail, if I cared about the results of alternate universes, I'd be wracked with agony over how many people go highly Renegade.

Why? I mean, aren't you wracked with agony over it precisely because it might say something about those people and how they approach the real world? I mean if I like a man like TIM what does that say about me and my politics?

TIM would make a great President.

"Real world"? A game is not the representation of the real world. As far as I see it, a bunch of Cerberus agents have been created by the developers and sent after Shepard for no higher purpose than a duck shooting gallery in a state fair.
Run you little duckies, run.

Wanting to kill all those brave human patriots make you a bad person mister.

Actually, a bad person miss. Until we see the explanation for them going after Shepard, they are traitors to humanity by going after the one human that's succeeded so far in defying the reapers and delaying mass genocide. And what I said is true, Cerberus supporters are not going to have the option to spare them. If they want to progress the game, they're going to have to shoot those Cerberus agents.
Quack.
Those agents choose to go after Shepard, they've no one to blame for their death but their own. They go after an Akuze Surviving Shepard, they've their own organization to blame for the hell that's going be shot into their spine. Supporting humanity is fine until you're messing with members of humanity to get it done.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Of course Shepard is infallible; he is the Law! (or she, again)

[Dean_the_Young]

Going against Shepard is inherently immoral because Shepard is the player, the player is a customer, and the customer is always right.

[Seboist]

If it turns out that we're not able to ally with TIM and Cerberus again in any way,shape or form then I'm not even going to bother importing my Cerberus loyalist femshep. I would have freaking wasted my time creating her, talk about a load of bull****.

I don't know if I should import the pro-Cerberus talimancer either,maybe I should just to continue talimancing....

[JamieCOTC]

Seboist wrote...

If it turns out that we're not able to ally with TIM and Cerberus again in any way,shape or form then I'm not even going to bother importing my Cerberus loyalist femshep. I would have freaking wasted my time creating her, talk about a load of bull****.

I don't know if I should import the pro-Cerberus talimancer either,maybe I should just to continue talimancing....

You can ally w/ Cerberus.  Die in the game and stop playing.  I vote that if Shep dies in the game and the player waits a specific amount of time before reloading, an image of TIM in a Buddy Christ pose should pop up onto the screen.  
"Thanks, Shepard!  I knew you'd see it my way." 

[Seboist]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Seboist wrote...

If it turns out that we're not able to ally with TIM and Cerberus again in any way,shape or form then I'm not even going to bother importing my Cerberus loyalist femshep. I would have freaking wasted my time creating her, talk about a load of bull****.

I don't know if I should import the pro-Cerberus talimancer either,maybe I should just to continue talimancing....

You can ally w/ Cerberus.  Die in the game and stop playing.  I vote that if Shep dies in the game and the player waits a specific amount of time before reloading, an image of TIM in a Buddy Christ pose should pop up onto the screen.  
"Thanks, Shepard!  I knew you'd see it my way." 

Is that you Silverman? <_<

[shphard]

Seboist wrote...

FRANCESCO84Inn wrote...

Seboist wrote...

FRANCESCO84Inn wrote...

TIM is bad, Cerberus is bad
read the novel
read the comics
sorry but i not support TIM.

TIM and his organization saved humanity from the Collectors. He's a selfless hero.

sorry but no

you are play ME1 ?

you are read ME novel : Revelation, Ascension,Retribution, not is a good organization.

this is my personal opinion.

Yeah I did and Cerberus does what needs to be done to advance human interests and survival. Every human alive owes a debt of grattitude to Mr. Harper.

Remind me NEVER to vote you into public office.

[CoronadoRose]

Seboist wrote...

If it turns out that we're not able to ally with TIM and Cerberus again in any way,shape or form then I'm not even going to bother importing my Cerberus loyalist femshep. I would have freaking wasted my time creating her, talk about a load of bull****.

I don't know if I should import the pro-Cerberus talimancer either,maybe I should just to continue talimancing....

I feel the same way. They haven't shown the paragon side yet (as far as I know) and they did say it would be "very different". Then again, "very different" could mean he just has his own agenda and isn't allied with the Reapers but you still have to fight him regardless with no other option. Who knows at this point.

And if that is the case, I'll probably only play ME3 once. My main MaleShep who is a paragon that destroyed the base and has Tali as his LI. Depending on how it goes (and not just in regards to TIM, but my other favs as well), I may not be able to play it at all. I know, I'm being very doom and gloom, but that's just how I feel in regards to ME3 right now.

[Xilizhra]

Seboist wrote...

If it turns out that we're not able to ally with TIM and Cerberus again in any way,shape or form then I'm not even going to bother importing my Cerberus loyalist femshep. I would have freaking wasted my time creating her, talk about a load of bull****.

I don't know if I should import the pro-Cerberus talimancer either,maybe I should just to continue talimancing....

What, no appreciation for not having things always go the way you plan them to?

We had to work with Cerberus in ME2, after all...

[Seboist]

CoronadoRose wrote...

Seboist wrote...

If it turns out that we're not able to ally with TIM and Cerberus again in any way,shape or form then I'm not even going to bother importing my Cerberus loyalist femshep. I would have freaking wasted my time creating her, talk about a load of bull****.

I don't know if I should import the pro-Cerberus talimancer either,maybe I should just to continue talimancing....

I feel the same way. They haven't shown the paragon side yet (as far as I know) and they did say it would be "very different". Then again, "very different" could mean he just has his own agenda and isn't allied with the Reapers but you still have to fight him regardless with no other option. Who knows at this point.

And if that is the case, I'll probably only play ME3 once. My main MaleShep who is a paragon that destroyed the base and has Tali as his LI. Depending on how it goes (and not just in regards to TIM, but my other favs as well), I may not be able to play it at all. I know, I'm being very doom and gloom, but that's just how I feel in regards to ME3 right now.

You destroyed the base?! I hope you regret making TIM angry after all he did for your Shep!

[Seboist]

Xilizhra wrote...

Seboist wrote...

If it turns out that we're not able to ally with TIM and Cerberus again in any way,shape or form then I'm not even going to bother importing my Cerberus loyalist femshep. I would have freaking wasted my time creating her, talk about a load of bull****.

I don't know if I should import the pro-Cerberus talimancer either,maybe I should just to continue talimancing....

What, no appreciation for not having things always go the way you plan them to?

We had to work with Cerberus in ME2, after all...

I didn't "plan" on Cerberus becoming plot clay that would rival the Reapers for the role of antagonist in ME3 after what was established in ME2, Retribution and Arrival, so no I have no "appreciation" for that.

[Xilizhra]

Well, no. You planned on seducing TIM and conquering the galaxy, but the odds of that ever happening were low.

[Xilizhra]

When they make a game where you have to gun down the Alliance soldiers every step of the way, and your favourite character or a LI is working with the Reapers and is trying to kill you, then you might begin to understand.

Leliana working for the Divine. An irritant, but not an insurmountable one.

Reluctantly allying with a minor, side-quest enemy is not quite the same as fighting your best ally, someone you worked with thoughout the previous game when everyone else turned their back on you.

It kind of reminds me of Paradise Lost. The intent of the poem was to make Satan seem possibly sympathetic, but only as you were drawn into his web of self-justification, to make it known that everyone was just as potentially fallible as he. The way TIM engineered things made him sympathetic on first glance, but it was always flirtation with evil, and Shepard was always just another resource to be tossed aside if something better came along.

[Seboist]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, no. You planned on seducing TIM and conquering the galaxy, but the odds of that ever happening were low.

That'll still happen, maybe not in ME3 but much like my Shepard romancing Zaeed in ME2 my word is the real canon of ME.

[Xilizhra]

As for TIM seeing Shepard as just a resource, I wouldn't be so sure. A Paragon Shepard, maybe. But TIM's human. He feels emotions. He just never shows them, and they have no influence on his crucial decisions, so people think he's heartless. Not at all. He allows himself a personal revenge, with Grayson, when he could've chosen any other test subject. He's physically present for it, to enjoy it personally. It nearly brings about his downfall. In his case, his emotions jeopardized his goals.

Negative emotions, yes. Has that ever happened with positive ones?

Combining the best and worst qualities of humanity simply makes for an effective villain.

[Seboist]

Xilizhra wrote...

As for TIM seeing Shepard as just a resource, I wouldn't be so sure. A Paragon Shepard, maybe. But TIM's human. He feels emotions. He just never shows them, and they have no influence on his crucial decisions, so people think he's heartless. Not at all. He allows himself a personal revenge, with Grayson, when he could've chosen any other test subject. He's physically present for it, to enjoy it personally. It nearly brings about his downfall. In his case, his emotions jeopardized his goals.

Negative emotions, yes. Has that ever happened with positive ones?

Combining the best and worst qualities of humanity simply makes for an effective villain.

He mourns Shepard's death in the bad ending. He's a good man at heart and doesn't engage in these unethical activities because he enjoy its but rather because he deems it necessary for the continued survival and preservation of his people.

[Xilizhra]

Doesn't he mourn it to Joker specifically?

I honestly don't think that TIM cares about any individual, or anyone or anything at all that isn't part of his plan, his vision, himself.

Actually, there's an exchange from a Star Wars book that I think sums it up better. It's about Palpatine, but I think it applies to TIM as well.
"I don't think he ever saw the Imperial City as people and lights; to him, it was just power and opportunities."
"Probably the same way he saw everything."

Modifié par Xilizhra, 15 septembre 2011 - 02:55 .