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[Blacklash93]

Seboist wrote...

The upside to one of the Paragon options is that it causes TIM to gaze into my femshep's eyes and say "we need each other" which causes her to go weak in the knees. <3

The way you go on about TIM, people might start getting ideas...

[Xilizhra]

Rojahar wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The point of a Renegade is that they sacrifice ideals to get the job
done; how is this worthy if you only sacrifice ideals you never agreed
with in the first place?

Renegade = Sacrifice potential allies, morality, and all sorts of things to "get the job done" except when it doesn't work out.

Paragon = Things always work out and you always succeed, with everyone loving you and the best possible consequences result from your actions. All the while you don't sacrifice anything and gain more any other alternative.

Wow, what compelling choice.

You aren't "sacrificing to win" as Renegade, because you sacrifice nothing as Paragon and win at least as well as, if not better than, Renegade. Why sacrifice and barely scrape by or just half-win, when you can not-sacrifice and get the ideal dream victory where not only did you win, but everyone wants to lick your amazing butthole because you're so goshdarn perfect and amazing and always right.

The only "choice" in these games is whether you want to play a "hero" that's resented or looked up to, but there's no tangible consequences and the choices are as far as can be from compelling. Nothing to make you ponder the consequences or question if you might want to stray from the path you've chosen.

There are cartoons with more depth.

If you're not playing Paragon, don't worry about what happens in Paragon. Worry about your own universe and don't try to warp universes you're not playing in.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Seboist wrote...

There's a neutral response?

When I say "Neutral", I mean the middle-right option on the dialogue wheel.

[Sebby]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

The upside to one of the Paragon options is that it causes TIM to gaze into my femshep's eyes and say "we need each other" which causes her to go weak in the knees. <3

The way you go on about TIM, people might start getting ideas...

All women want TIM and every man wants to be him.

[Sebby]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

Seboist wrote...

There's a neutral response?

When I say "Neutral", I mean the middle-right option on the dialogue wheel.

I know THAT but what I meant was what does Shepard say?

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Seboist wrote...

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

Seboist wrote...

There's a neutral response?

When I say "Neutral", I mean the middle-right option on the dialogue wheel.

I know THAT but what I meant was what does Shepard say?

Oh, I see. I would have to replay the ending again to find that out. It's been a long time.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Rojahar wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The point of a Renegade is that they sacrifice ideals to get the job
done; how is this worthy if you only sacrifice ideals you never agreed
with in the first place?

Renegade = Sacrifice potential allies, morality, and all sorts of things to "get the job done" except when it doesn't work out.

Paragon = Things always work out and you always succeed, with everyone loving you and the best possible consequences result from your actions. All the while you don't sacrifice anything and gain more any other alternative.

Wow, what compelling choice.

You aren't "sacrificing to win" as Renegade, because you sacrifice nothing as Paragon and win at least as well as, if not better than, Renegade. Why sacrifice and barely scrape by or just half-win, when you can not-sacrifice and get the ideal dream victory where not only did you win, but everyone wants to lick your amazing butthole because you're so goshdarn perfect and amazing and always right.

The only "choice" in these games is whether you want to play a "hero" that's resented or looked up to, but there's no tangible consequences and the choices are as far as can be from compelling. Nothing to make you ponder the consequences or question if you might want to stray from the path you've chosen.

There are cartoons with more depth.

Word. 

In the end the ME series is about as deep as a World War II-time Disney propaganda cartoon...

[Xilizhra]

Word.

In the end the ME series is about as deep as a World War II-time Disney propaganda cartoon...

Only to a monomaniac who cares only about one issue.

[naledgeborn]

LOL Donald Duck is the only Renegade.

[naledgeborn]

Monomaniac says the absolutist.

[Xilizhra]

naledgeborn wrote...

Monomaniac says the absolutist.

Define "absolutist."

[naledgeborn]

You and you're extreme lack of malleability in regards to ethics and morality. You see things in black and white regardless of logic or consequence. And your arguments are usually ****.

Modifié par naledgeborn, 15 janvier 2012 - 02:27 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

Word.

In the end the ME series is about as deep as a World War II-time Disney propaganda cartoon...

Only to a monomaniac who cares only about one issue.

Of course, you keep imagining the series has a non-existent depth now that you have your precious gay romances.

naledgeborn wrote...

LOL Donald Duck is the only Renegade.

Actually, not even Donald is safe from Paragon railroading.

[Xilizhra]

naledgeborn wrote...

You and you're extreme lack of malleability in regards to ethics and morality. You see things in black and white regardless of logic or consequence. And your arguments are usually ****.

Truly? I believe history is on my side in ME in regards to consequences.

Of course, you keep imagining the series has a non-existent depth now that you have your precious gay romances.

Liara's been with me since the beginning.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 15 janvier 2012 - 02:32 .

[Xilizhra]

wiggles89 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

You and you're extreme lack of malleability in regards to ethics and morality. You see things in black and white regardless of logic or consequence. And your arguments are usually ****.

Truly? I believe history is on my side in ME in regards to consequences.

Developer bias will do that.

Ah yes, so my being repeatedly right can't possibly have to do with my logic, because then you would have to admit error in your own philosophy.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 15 janvier 2012 - 02:34 .

[naledgeborn]

Because the writers are ego stroking the simpleton paladin types such as yourself while completely shunning fans that at least have a grasp on reality.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

wiggles89 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

You and you're extreme lack of malleability in regards to ethics and morality. You see things in black and white regardless of logic or consequence. And your arguments are usually ****.

Truly? I believe history is on my side in ME in regards to consequences.

Developer bias will do that.

Ah yes, so my being repeatedly right can't possibly have to do with my logic, because then you would have to admit error in your own philosophy.

Nope.

[Ravensword]

naledgeborn wrote...

Because the writers are ego stroking the simpleton paladin types such as yourself while completely shunning fans that at least have a grasp on reality.

Reality? In my sci fi video games?

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Seboist, I replayed the ending to find the dialogue, and here's what I got -

"Shepard, it's a new day, and we have you to thank for our deliverance. ..."
Renegade: We did the right thing. You don't need to try to make me feel good about it.
"Always willing to do whatever it takes. Well, it payed off. ... Don't let idealism blind you. Using the base to its fullest potential is the best way to fulfill ours."
Paragon: We need to dedicate every possible resource against the Reapers. ... You hold anything back, and we're out.
"It's not that easy, Shepard. We need each other."
Neutral: I'm going to stop the Reapers, but I won't sacrifice the soul of our species to do it. Remember that.

I couldn't type fast enough for the full dialogues, but that's most of it. I know, some of the lines aren't ideal, but the only other option at the end was telling TIM to shut up, so I chose the one labeled, "Yes. We do." At least Shepard ends the conversation still working with TIM.

I also like the Neutral (Shepard being indecisive) conversation with TIM when he's trying to convince Shepard to save the base. It goes something like, "Shepard, you died fighting for what you believed. We brought you back to keep fighting. Some might say we went to far... I didn't discard you because I knew your value. Don't be so quick to discard this facility. Think of the potential." TIM talks faster than I can type.

[naledgeborn]

@ Raven
Sometimes you just want to hold certain people to higher standards.

[Sebby]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

Seboist, I replayed the ending to find the dialogue, and here's what I got -

"Shepard, it's a new day, and we have you to thank for our deliverance. ..."
Renegade: We did the right thing. You don't need to try to make me feel good about it.
"Always willing to do whatever it takes. Well, it payed off. ... Don't let idealism blind you. Using the base to its fullest potential is the best way to fulfill ours."
Paragon: We need to dedicate every possible resource against the Reapers. ... You hold anything back, and we're out.
"It's not that easy, Shepard. We need each other."
Neutral: I'm going to stop the Reapers, but I won't sacrifice the soul of our species to do it. Remember that.

I couldn't type fast enough for the full dialogues, but that's most of it. I know, some of the lines aren't ideal, but the only other option at the end was telling TIM to shut up, so I chose the one labeled, "Yes. We do." At least Shepard ends the conversation still working with TIM.

I also like the Neutral (Shepard being indecisive) conversation with TIM when he's trying to convince Shepard to save the base. It goes something like, "Shepard, you died fighting for what you believed. We brought you back to keep fighting. Some might say we went to far... I didn't discard you because I knew your value. Don't be so quick to discard this facility. Think of the potential." TIM talks faster than I can type.

Ah i see. Thanks for that!