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[BlueMagitek]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Friendship and Rivalry platonic relationships say hai.

I'd hate to be your Rival in the DA2 system.

But if stories have taught me anything, if you were his rival, you'd automatically be at or above his skill level at every meeting without doing anything!

[Sebby]

The derp is strong with this one.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

I admit, I love how TIM is apparently so uninteresting that even his most ardent fellaters can't keep the topic centered on him.

We're probably just more complex than the rabid fanboys and virtual love seekers.

Also, I don't really like that unsightly dress Hawke is in. It just shows that DA2 fans have a bad taste in - well - everything.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 23 janvier 2012 - 09:20 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

I admit, I love how TIM is apparently so uninteresting that even his most ardent fellaters can't keep the topic centered on him.

As opposed to the narrow-minded on topic nature of, say, the Liara thread?

Glass houses and stones, Xil.

[Blacklash93]

BlueMagitek wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Friendship and Rivalry platonic relationships say hai.

I'd hate to be your Rival in the DA2 system.

But if stories have taught me anything, if you were his rival, you'd automatically be at or above his skill level at every meeting without doing anything!

I'm so hurt.

I've presented arguments. I've yet to see anything more compelling than false claims from wiggles and the pointless pictures Seboist has posted.

We're probably just more complex than the rabid fanboys and virtual love seekers.

I don't think incessant whining counts as complex either way.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 23 janvier 2012 - 01:35 .

[BlueMagitek]

Blacklash93 wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Friendship and Rivalry platonic relationships say hai.

I'd hate to be your Rival in the DA2 system.

But if stories have taught me anything, if you were his rival, you'd automatically be at or above his skill level at every meeting without doing anything!

I'm so hurt.

I've presented arguments. I've yet to see anything more compelling than false claims from wiggles and the pointless pictures Seboist has posted.

You shouldn't be; I had to be taught that lesson by The Order of the Stick. So it's coo'. 

[Sebby]

Since there's been a lot of posts about TIMancing in this thread I feel it's long overdue that I posted shots of the hot piece of ass I created for TIM. 





















Yasaman here is 100% Cerberus loyal and here's a list to prove it.

ME1:

Sent Cerberus data to Alliance
Caused the deaths of both Cpl. Toombs and Dr. Wayne (ties up loose ends).
Voted for Terra Firma and publcially endorsed Mr. Saracino's candidacy.

ME2:

Sent Veetor to Cerberus
Sent Rawlings data to Cerberus
Kept David in Overlord
Killed Aresh (tying up loose ends yet again)
Sold Geth mobile platform to Cerberus
Kept Collector base

Modifié par Seboist, 24 janvier 2012 - 05:42 .

[Sebby]

laecraft wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Sold Legion to Cerberus

This is the most badass deed of her. Yasaman is seriously hardcore. I wonder if anyone else has done that.

Hmm, it should read "Sold Geth mobile platform to Cerberus". I shouldn't repeat BW's laziness from It's Shadow Broker dossier.

[Sebby]

wiggles89 wrote...

My canon sells Legion to Cerberus, but not out of any loyalty to Cerberus. Instead, he does it because reactivating a potentially dangerous A.I. aboard your ship is just silly (especially in the A.I. core, which is incredibly stupid even for a BioWare protagonist).

Yas does it for that reason too.

I wish there was also an option to send Okeer's test subject to Cerberus as well. Just having him be a dead weight on the Normandy makes no sense.

[Sebby]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

laecraft wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Sold Legion to Cerberus

This is the most badass deed of her. Yasaman is seriously hardcore. I wonder if anyone else has done that.

Strongly disagree. IMO

(1) Wipe out all the Heretic Geth instantly with a virus

and/or

(2) Gain the loyalty of the Orthodox Geth

are both much more badass.

Actually I don't understand at all what is so badass about selling Legion. You picked up and sold a single Geth mobile platform which was already knocked out and inactivated. Shepard had killed thousands of Geth platforms before that, not to mention Sovereign.

Shepard conquers the fear of metagaming by doing it. That's badass.

[Bad King]

Seboist wrote...

The derp is strong with this one.

Haha this is awesome!

[Kaiser Shepard]

 

Seboist wrote...

Since there's been a lot of posts about TIMancing in this thread I feel it's long overdue that I posted shots of the hot piece of ass I created for TIM. 

*pics*


Yasaman here is 100% Cerberus loyal and here's a list to prove it.

*list*

"...and still it's not enough."

Because why give players the ability to roleplay, when you can just railroad all of them into a single path? 

Seboist wrote...

wiggles89 wrote...

My canon sells Legion to Cerberus, but not out of any loyalty to Cerberus. Instead, he does it because reactivating a potentially dangerous A.I. aboard your ship is just silly (especially in the A.I. core, which is incredibly stupid even for a BioWare protagonist).

Yas does it for that reason too.

I wish there was also an option to send Okeer's test subject to Cerberus as well. Just having him be a dead weight on the Normandy makes no sense.

Speaking of Okeer, it would also have been nice to have the option to save the mad krogan scientist himself, of course at the cost of seeing his creation bite the dust.

First and foremost because he manages to be the single most impressive character in the game in a matter of mere minutes, and secondly because his backstory would've provided some interesting conflict with some of the other crew members; most notably Mordin, but Samara as well.

[King Minos]

Cerberus theme song:

How do i add those banners to my profile?

Modifié par King Minos, 24 janvier 2012 - 04:37 .

[Sebby]

King Minos wrote...

Cerberus theme song:

How do i add those banners to my profile?

Host them on an image hosting site (Imageshack,photobucket,etc), then go to "Profile" -> "Forum settings" and then in the "signature" box type "url of image here".

[Sebby]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

 

Seboist wrote...

Since there's been a lot of posts about TIMancing in this thread I feel it's long overdue that I posted shots of the hot piece of ass I created for TIM. 

*pics*


Yasaman here is 100% Cerberus loyal and here's a list to prove it.

*list*

"...and still it's not enough."

Because why give players the ability to roleplay, when you can just railroad all of them into a single path?

Indeed.



And yeah would have been nice to save Okeer. He's a far superior character than Grunt could ever be and I could see him becoming a great Cerberus ally.

[vonSlash]

Regardless of your opinion of Cerberus or of TIM, it's disappointing to see Bioware's writers transform TIM from a ruthless pro-human advocate into a indoctrinated fratricidal maniac just to streamline and railroad the plot.

[Sebby]

vonSlash wrote...

Regardless of your opinion of Cerberus or of TIM, it's disappointing to see Bioware's writers transform TIM from a ruthless pro-human advocate into a indoctrinated fratricidal maniac just to streamline and railroad the plot.

Yeah and a lot of fans can't see the forest for the trees.

[Sebby]

Good exchange from RPG Codex about the faults of writing and other issues with TOR,ME,DA and BW in general.

Azrael the cat wrote...

The problem probably isn't even the writers - TOR actually, to my mind,
lifts a bit of the flak of Gaider and his writing team in DA. Some
Bioware highup, who doesn't have a clue about writing or games, has
looked at their games and gone 'oh, people buy our games for the stories
and the romance options - ok now ALL bioware games must allow maximum
romances with as many NPCs as possible!'. That 3 completely different
writing teams are all pushing the same ****, and in a really transparent
'tick these boxes: maximum sex options, alien fetish, player gets
betrayed, twist 3/4 of way through story arc, etc' manner, indicates
that this **** is coming from the top down, rather than from the writing
team up.

Serious_Business wrote...

You think so? Wouldn't it be more in the lines of "don't do anything
unexpected" - and then they give their approval only when the writers do
something that's in accordance with the formula, until they don't even
try anymore? Even then, that's a bit forced, I doubt producers and
"highups" really give any specifics about the writing. They probably
don't know about "story and romance options" - just that Bioware made
games that sold, and they must reproduce the formula to get profits. You
don't see Bioware - whatever its division may be - struggle with this,
they seem fine just bull****ting their way through creativity if it
serves how many games they can produce. You don't get that tension
between designer and producer you'll get from Obsidian for example -
where MCA & co frequently subtly comment about the pragmatic state
of the business. If there is that tension with Bioware, I don't see it.
They always were glad to make ****, and I bet they hire people who have
the same mentality in their ranks

Azrael the cat wrote...

I agree with much of what you say. Part of Bioware's problem is that
they have a direct fanbase (not enough to reflect their larger success)
who rabidly defend all flaws as though they are 'awesome features'.
These are the same people that give Bioware the impression that their
more successful games sell on romance and story (even though the games
that crash also have ths). They're the same ones who tell Bioware that -
having already convinced them that romance and story is the thing to
emphasise - inter-alien sex, furry-fetish, collect-them-all sex-quests
and EPIC EPIC EPIC (read: absurdly, embarassingly cliched, even by kid's
cartoon standards) stories are what will sell.

TOR reflects this perfectly. All that research, and barely a gameplay or
technical improvement in site (and arguably a great step backwards) -
with all the emphasis on voice-acting, linear stories and the opportion
to shag almost anything regardless of corniness ad absurdity.

The thing is, this is being done by 3 completely independent writing
teams. Gaider has absolutely no input on anything outside of DA - no
input on TOR, and no input on ME - yet I can forgive the common error
around here, because the writing fits all the same boxes. When 3
completely different teams have the exact same approach, that reeks of
'here's a formula, write it for us'. Don't worry there's plenty of derp
with the writers (Jennifer's comment about 'here's our AWESOMELY diverse
romance options: a super-**** and a
large-breasted-but-otherwise-childlike-virgin'. That's got to be the
most anti-feminist attitude by a developer in recent rpg development,
and it came from a female writer with no sense of self-awareness or
irony. And again, no hope for change, because the Biotards actually LIKE
that ****. Similarly, the sheer number of sex options in TOR break the
fourth wall and just scream 'someone in marketing told us that these
would help sales'.

So plenty of derp in execution as well as idea. But it really does look
like there's a top-down formula that each writing team must meet. And
while there may be room for small improvements (e.g. desiging characters
with plot-related AND thematic (always overlooked by Bioware) ties to
the larger game...and THEN deciding which would make sensible romances,
where AGAIN, the romances contribute to the plot and themes in an
interesting way, the basic failings of the structure are insurmountable.
They promote their games for their writing, but no writing team could
create good work when they're being told 'must tick x boxes: romance,
twist, etc'.

(e.g. of tying romances to themes - the slight nastiness/selfishness
implied if TNO hooks up with Annah, knowing by then he brings torment
onto those who follow him, and that it can only end in misery for Annah,
and the final toment: when Ravel points out to your party members the
torments you've inflicted on them , she can't come up with a convincing
one for FFG. Until the very end...where FFG pledges that she will never
stop looking for TNO, returning to the lower planes that she fled from
and despises, wasting the rest of her life (which for a succubus could
be a LOOOOOONGGGGG time) on a hopeless and meaningless quest that dooms
any hope she has to a life of anything but...again...the curse of
torment. But none of that would be possible if MCA had to meet a
tick-a-box writing style, that is so overwhelming that 3 completely
independent teams with no contact with each other still manage to sound
identical).

****, the TOR team isn't even Bioware, as we know them. They are Mythic
with the Bioware label whacked on them. And yet Mythic's writers are now
sounding exactly like Bioware's writers. That can only be caused by
topdown demands.

Modifié par Seboist, 25 janvier 2012 - 04:49 .

[Xilizhra]

Stuff like that is why I find it hilarious when Biodrones call CDPR sexist.

Two wrongs don't make a right.