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Ah, yes. Complain about batarians not receiving any depth right after you complain about getting batarian aid in ME3...


I'm fine with batarian aid in ME3 but having it come from Balak is retarded. The guy was a zealot as it was. His race being devestated should have totally pushed him over the edge... or farther over the edge.

He should have come at you as a suicide bomber or something.

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@Xil: Just to correct you a bit: hate is intuitive. It comes from the inside of a person without him using his reason - it is irrational. Always.

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Xilizhra wrote...
I'm not entirely sure why having them resemble loyalty missions is a bad thing.

It's not a bad thing, nor is it a good thing. It's just that if they're like the loyalty missions that means that they won't be sublte missions that one may accidently skip over. Instead they'll be main-quests that you'll be forced to do and have it beaten over your head to do them.

Meaning your original sidequest comment is moot.

I'm also not sure how his results affect yours.

His results doesn't affect my results. You know that. You also know that's not what I was getting at.

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The main issue with ME3 Balak is the bizarre consequence of his fate affecting an entire species' military strength.

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Easy enough.

If Balak survives, that gives a fire to the Batarian people; even the most badass human could be used as a true Batarian wills, such is their love for hostages.

However, if Balak is imprisoned or dies, the Batarian flame dies out; humans clearly aren't putting up with their nonsense.

Or something. =D

Anyway, from a meta perspective, saving the Rachni Queen is the best option, not because the Rachni may be allies, but because the other species, Turians especially, should be rapidly increasing their military to deal with Shepard's decision. Yes? No?

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Seboist wrote...

The main issue with ME3 Balak is the bizarre consequence of his fate affecting an entire species' military strength.

He is the Batarian Shepard.

But you can say the same about Tali and the Quarians, really. I haven't read the spoilers, but I bet that's how it's going to turn out.

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If Balak survives, that gives a fire to the Batarian people; even the most badass human could be used as a true Batarian wills, such is their love for hostages. 

However, if Balak is imprisoned or dies, the Batarian flame dies out; humans clearly aren't putting up with their nonsense.

Exactly. :lol:

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Irrational something, but it seems more like desperately lashing out than actually having one's top priority be to do harm per se.

Sheesh, I hope nobody ever lashes out at you in your life Xili. I'd hate to loose you to an exploding asteroid.

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BlueMagitek wrote...

Easy enough.

If Balak survives, that gives a fire to the Batarian people; even the most badass human could be used as a true Batarian wills, such is their love for hostages.

However, if Balak is imprisoned or dies, the Batarian flame dies out; humans clearly aren't putting up with their nonsense.

Or something. =D

Anyway, from a meta perspective, saving the Rachni Queen is the best option, not because the Rachni may be allies, but because the other species, Turians especially, should be rapidly increasing their military to deal with Shepard's decision. Yes? No?


Like the Krogan buildup that Wrex warned about in ME1? :P

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Wrex is building the Krogan up; that's why he's da chief. =D

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BlueMagitek wrote...

Wrex is building the Krogan up; that's why he's da chief. =D


It has nothing to do with the Rachni though. He bumped his head or smoked some strong dope and forgot about it.

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Seboist wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Wrex is building the Krogan up; that's why he's da chief. =D


It has nothing to do with the Rachni though. He bumped his head or smoked some strong dope and forgot about it.

He was sharing some blunts with my homie GMagnum.

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His results doesn't affect my results. You know that. You also know that's not what I was getting at.

Then I have no idea why you're bringing it up at all.

It has nothing to do with the Rachni though. He bumped his head or smoked some strong dope and forgot about it.

People don't always hold irrational historical grudges, you know. Heck, there are even Jews around this very day who don't hate Germans.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 30 janvier 2012 - 03:23 .


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The Rachni need somewhere to settle and the Krogan just happen to inhabit their former worlds. There's no way that can be a problem...

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Seboist wrote...

The Rachni need somewhere to settle and the Krogan just happen to inhabit their former worlds. There's no way that can be a problem...

The rachni seem to have gotten themselves set up rather nicely, and considering how depopulated the krogan are, I don't think there are major occupying forces in old rachni territory anyway.

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Xilizhra wrote...

People don't always hold irrational historical grudges, you know. Heck, there are even Jews around this very day who don't hate Germans.

 

Palestinians still want what is rightfully their's back. I'd imagine it's be the same with the rachni/krogan.

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naledgeborn wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

People don't always hold irrational historical grudges, you know. Heck, there are even Jews around this very day who don't hate Germans.

 

Palestinians still want what is rightfully their's back. I'd imagine it's be the same with the rachni/krogan.

That's an ongoing war. The Rachni Wars ended centuries ago.

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I'm still lamenting the missed opportunity for conflict in ME3. Shepard wants to save humanity and other species want to save themselves, surely it would result in a nice morally grey conflict, alliances, rivalries, backstabbing, and manipulation, all of which is far more interesting than ancient incomprehensible and unbeatable machines that are far beyond our understanding and that are just as much interesting and interactive as a hurricane or an eruption.

But no, let's take the smooth road and make the things easy and boring for Shepard, a couple of quests would get the whole galaxy on his side, yawn.

What about the situation when most species' salvation means one species' destruction, like it came close with the Batarians. Surely if that happened, the galaxy would become just as much an enemy for the batarians as the Reapers are, and it would make sense for them to ally with the Reapers in the last ditch effort to save themselves or at least have some revenge for being sacrificed. Then we'd get a fully motivated organic enemy, and organics are far more interesting than ancient incomprehensible...you know who.

But no, let's have a humanity-advance organization oppose Shepard for no good reason whatsoever. The antagonist's motivation is so bad that not even indoctrination can explain why this is happening.

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Xilizhra wrote...

That's an ongoing war. The Rachni Wars ended centuries ago.


Kind of hard to call it a war when you're throwing rocks at tanks.

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I'm still lamenting the missed opportunity for conflict in ME3. Shepard wants to save humanity and other species want to save themselves, surely it would result in a nice morally grey conflict, alliances, rivalries, backstabbing, and manipulation, all of which is far more interesting than ancient incomprehensible and unbeatable machines that are far beyond our understanding and that are just as much interesting and interactive as a hurricane or a eruption.

Meh. I can't say that I dislike the idea of enough people realizing it's necessary to pull together to survive.

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Xilizhra wrote...

I'm still lamenting the missed opportunity for conflict in ME3. Shepard wants to save humanity and other species want to save themselves, surely it would result in a nice morally grey conflict, alliances, rivalries, backstabbing, and manipulation, all of which is far more interesting than ancient incomprehensible and unbeatable machines that are far beyond our understanding and that are just as much interesting and interactive as a hurricane or a eruption.

Meh. I can't say that I dislike the idea of enough people realizing it's necessary to pull together to survive.


It might be heartwarming but where's the conflict in that? And a story is as interesting as the conflict in it. So let them hold hands and blast the Reapers with the power of love at the end, but there has to be opposition in the middle.

Besides, uniting the galaxy isn't going to do anything against the Reapers.

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Well, it'll make the galaxy die more slowly. That helps.

And I think there'll be some opposition in the middle regardless, otherwise Shepard wouldn't need to do anything.

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naledgeborn wrote...

Palestinians still want what is rightfully their's back.


Incorrect, but I don't blame you, the conventional-wisdom is well-supported by all outlets covering this issue to cover up the real truth.

Palestinians are actually living under the occupation of the Israeli military in their homeland, and their rule is tyrannical. On top of countless atrocities, Israel blocks major food, water, and medicine supplies from Palestine so their people will succumb to hunger and sickness/disease and die. Palestinians at this point don't even care about the Holy Land as everyone thinks they do, they're just doing what anyone else would do in their situation, kick back against their aggressors.

Of course, the media has an obvious bias here and so the other side is the one they'll always portray as the bad guy.

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Xilizhra wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

People don't always hold irrational historical grudges, you know. Heck, there are even Jews around this very day who don't hate Germans.

 

Palestinians still want what is rightfully their's back. I'd imagine it's be the same with the rachni/krogan.

That's an ongoing war. The Rachni Wars ended centuries ago.


Oh, what's centuries to a krogan? Human lives are short, as are their memories, but Warlord Okeer still remembers the Rebellions. As for the Rachni, they've got genetic memory. For the queen, the war could just be yesterday...

"We were only an egg, but we remember every single death. And we have sworn to avenge them all and rebuild our former glory. No matter what it takes. We'll bide our time, becoming stronger, and when the hour comes, we will not falter. We will not negotiate. We will sing the symphony of death, and it'll be the last thing you'll hear."  (What Rachni Queen Didn't Tell You.)

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I'm pretty sure bringing the Israeli/Palestinian topic into here will get the topic closed, so let's avoid that. ~_^

If the Geth are recruit-able, there has to be some tension. I mean, claims of True Geth vs. Heretic Geth or not, the only presence they've had in the galaxy has been allied with the Reapers; I don't think many people would just accept them. The Quarians don't seem like they would.

To compensate, the Geth have the largest fleet (which is undamaged; as opposed to the Human/Turian/etc fleets).

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Oh, what's centuries to a krogan? Human lives are short, as are their memories, but Warlord Okeer still remembers the Rebellions. As for the Rachni, they've got genetic memory. For the queen, the war could just be yesterday...

The queen was just remorseful, and I doubt most krogan care whom they fight. Wrex did for one scene, but he's a special case.