Aller au contenu

Photo

Brotherhood of Cerberus - The Illusive Man Discussion/Support Thread


  • Ce sujet est fermé Ce sujet est fermé
6970 réponses à ce sujet

#6151
GodWood

GodWood
  • Members
  • 7 954 messages

Xilizhra wrote...

His results doesn't affect my results. You know that. You also know that's not what I was getting at.

Then I have no idea why you're bringing it up at all.

Well then I'll have to say that you're horribly thick.

I brought it up because I take issue with the fact that a twelve year old who ploughs through the game, skips most of the content, pays zero attention to the lore and conflicts of the game and follows the moral code of .... well a twelve year old, has a far more successful playthrough then someone who has actually invested time and thought into the franchise.

Yes his results don't affect my results but that was not the bloody point. The point is the fact that the matured, educated, logic of an adult (/narcissism) results in a far less sucessful playthrough then the one of your typical twitch gaming child and this reflects poorly on the quality of the setting. The ME setting outside of Shepard influence is actually quite a mature and morally grey, with no clear good guys or bad guys.

This is good!

Unforunately it all falls apart once you add a paragon Shepard to the equation as then it call becomes a tale of 'twoo wuv n' fwendship' conquering all.

This is bad.

I know you like to subscribe to the theory that paragon and renegade represent two different settings, where the paragon one is more idealistic and the renegade one is more cynical and doomy and gloomy. But, as I'm sure you know that's is not what Bioware intended and it is sure as hell not what I want. What I wanted was the actions of the paragon and the renegade to be considered on their own merits and have logical consequences based on the already established 'realistic' level of idealism and cynicism of the setting with there being no true superior morality and having the consequences of each choice contain a multitude of postive and negative consequences and having whether they're deemed 'good' or 'bad' determined by the player.

E.g) Cure genophage and get a more powerful army against the Reapers but post-Reapers a war breaks out. Don't cure it and you have more casualties but a more stable galaxy post-Reapers.

Simple!

Unfortunately Bioware did not take this route and instead went with the childish philosophy of 'Paragon = Winner', destroying any level of moral greyness in the franchise and rendering all of our debates moot.

Which sucks tbh.

#6152
Xilizhra

Xilizhra
  • Members
  • 30 873 messages

Yes his results don't affect my results but that was not the bloody point. The point is the fact that the matured, educated, logic of an adult (/narcissism) results in a far less sucessful playthrough then the one of your typical twitch gaming child and this reflects poorly on the quality of the setting.

A consequence of there being only a few decisions you can undertake for each circumstance. Without the crutch of gameplay, with actual decision making necessary, you'd do better. Your ego may be secured.

#6153
Seboist

Seboist
  • Members
  • 11 989 messages
Image IPB

Link

#6154
Lambda Faction

Lambda Faction
  • Members
  • 110 messages
Mass Effect 3 Voice Cast Reveal:

Short commentary on The Illusive Man by Martin Sheen, voice acting preview.

(Sorry, not much to add to the past/current discussion(s). If I need to add anything to the front page, please let me know.)

Modifié par Lambda Faction, 31 janvier 2012 - 05:42 .


#6155
Guest_iOnlySignIn_*

Guest_iOnlySignIn_*
  • Guests
^ \\lambda is back! Where have you been?

I just saw that in the French version of Mass Effect, Renegade and Paragon are called:

Pragmatisme

and

Conciliation

which IMO are much better choice of words than their English counterparts.

#6156
General User

General User
  • Members
  • 3 315 messages
Everything sounds sexier in French!

Vive L'Homme Illusoire!

#6157
Kaiser Shepard

Kaiser Shepard
  • Members
  • 7 890 messages
Incroyable, the fabled founder of our brotherhood lives!

#6158
Blacklash93

Blacklash93
  • Members
  • 4 154 messages
And he's probably disappointed, ashamed, and disgusted with all of you. Image IPB

#6159
Kaiser Shepard

Kaiser Shepard
  • Members
  • 7 890 messages
Image IPB

Sadly enough even his own VA acknowledges how black and white things are gonna be in ME3, but as least the man himself is rendered in a spectacular new light.

#6160
Seboist

Seboist
  • Members
  • 11 989 messages
My femshep would fawn over that hologram.

#6161
Blacklash93

Blacklash93
  • Members
  • 4 154 messages

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Image IPB

Sadly enough even his own VA acknowledges how black and white things are gonna be in ME3, but as least the man himself is rendered in a spectacular new light.

Martin Sheen thought the Illusive Man was a bad person even before he was called to VA for him in ME3, as he and TIM are very different people. He probably thinks TIM's devlopment is fitting, if anything.

And TIM's eyes are all wrong.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 01 février 2012 - 03:49 .


#6162
dtmoss

dtmoss
  • Members
  • 131 messages
I can't believe they changed his eyes!

#6163
Kaiser Shepard

Kaiser Shepard
  • Members
  • 7 890 messages

dtmoss wrote...

I can't believe they changed his eyes!

Yellow + blue = green

Isn't that sort of obvious?

#6164
Seboist

Seboist
  • Members
  • 11 989 messages
Wallpaper of the organization.

Image IPB

Link

#6165
Guest_All Dead_*

Guest_All Dead_*
  • Guests

GodWood wrote...
What I wanted was the actions of the paragon and the renegade to be considered on their own merits and have logical consequences based on the already established 'realistic' level of idealism and cynicism of the setting with there being no true superior morality and having the consequences of each choice contain a multitude of postive and negative consequences and having whether they're deemed 'good' or 'bad' determined by the player.

E.g) Cure genophage and get a more powerful army against the Reapers but post-Reapers a war breaks out. Don't cure it and you have more casualties but a more stable galaxy post-Reapers.


I agree with this and my Shep is mostly a paragon. Nevertheless, I WANT to get bitten in the ass by making some decisions that are too idealist, and conversely, have any number of renegade choices/actions work out for the best. I haven't read the script leak but I'm holding out hope that the final version of the story is not as black and white as the people who have read it imply.

Modifié par All Dead, 03 février 2012 - 02:58 .


#6166
Seboist

Seboist
  • Members
  • 11 989 messages

All Dead wrote...

GodWood wrote...
What I wanted was the actions of the paragon and the renegade to be considered on their own merits and have logical consequences based on the already established 'realistic' level of idealism and cynicism of the setting with there being no true superior morality and having the consequences of each choice contain a multitude of postive and negative consequences and having whether they're deemed 'good' or 'bad' determined by the player.

E.g) Cure genophage and get a more powerful army against the Reapers but post-Reapers a war breaks out. Don't cure it and you have more casualties but a more stable galaxy post-Reapers.


I agree with this and my Shep is mostly a paragon. Nevertheless, I WANT to get bitten in the ass by making some decisions that are too idealist, and conversely, have any number of renegade choices/actions work out for the best. I haven't read the script leak but I'm holding out hope that the final version of the story is not as black and white as the people who have read it imply.


I'll put it this way, Genshin a villain from Ninja Gaiden 2 of all things is treated as more grey than TIM. Even Chairman Prescott of Gears of War who's the same archetype as Udina gets a better portrayal.

ME3 is just a poor man's version of the PC liberal tripe one would expect from Star Trek.

#6167
Funkcase

Funkcase
  • Members
  • 4 556 messages
This made me laugh.

Image IPB

#6168
Seboist

Seboist
  • Members
  • 11 989 messages
A gif our boss would approve of.

Image IPB

Link

Modifié par Seboist, 05 février 2012 - 09:00 .


#6169
Guest_iOnlySignIn_*

Guest_iOnlySignIn_*
  • Guests

Funkcase wrote...

This made me laugh.

http://cdn.medialib....umb_wide620.jpg

I like how the "half" TIM is not 1/2 as tall as the full TIM, but about 2^(-1/3) times as tall.

#6170
Seboist

Seboist
  • Members
  • 11 989 messages
Another wallpaper of the organization.

Image IPB

Link

#6171
Seboist

Seboist
  • Members
  • 11 989 messages
Cerberus theme for iOS by Cuclick

Image IPB

Download Link

#6172
MsSihaKatieKrios

MsSihaKatieKrios
  • Members
  • 415 messages
Me gusta TIM. He's just sexy.

#6173
Seboist

Seboist
  • Members
  • 11 989 messages

MsSihaKatieKrios wrote...

Me gusta TIM. He's just sexy.


Ladies everywhere agree.

Image IPB

#6174
Seboist

Seboist
  • Members
  • 11 989 messages
Image IPB

Link

#6175
Guest_laecraft_*

Guest_laecraft_*
  • Guests
^ The things TIM would do for humanity. He'd even work with Shepard the Butcher of Bahak.

Wait, no, he won't. I guess there is something unpalatable enough that even TIM wouldn't do.