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[Seboist]

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Link to the caricature TIM turns into in ME3 (Spoilers)

What the f*ck was that!?... That's just concept right? Not real, just a side thought they could all chuckle at... They wouldn't sink that low... right?... Please someone tell me I'm right!

They replaced it with a typical b action movie assclown villain moment where TIM twirls his mustache when Shepard is at his mercy.

[Seboist]

Lizardviking wrote...

I think Cerberus as a whole is less interesting when you turn them into clear enemies with no chance to be able to cooperate.

Yep, what turned me onto Cerberus was the (supposed) theme of "how far are you willing to go to save the galaxy?" which the CB decision was the biggest example of.

[General User]

Xilizhra wrote...

Ashwraith wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Welcome back, ma'am. How you doing?

Not too bad. My hard drive quit on me a few months back, and I've been having to reconstruct most of my data -including my Mass Effect games- from the ground up, which is the reason for my Mysterious Absence of Mysteriousness. Ah well. Universe, man.

Seboist wrote...

Welcome back blood sister. Boy, we have a lot to tell you about the sad fate of our boss.

Oh god.
I... I don't want to know, do I?

Dave of Canada wrote...

Hatred.

Lots of hatred.

I don't want to know I don't want to know I don't want to know

Basically, TIM turned out to be what nearly everyone outside a few people in this thread could see coming from ten miles away.

Just 'cause you can see it comin' doesn't mean you have to like it.

[Unpleasant Implications]

Seboist wrote...

Unpleasant Implications wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Link to the caricature TIM turns into in ME3 (Spoilers)

What the f*ck was that!?... That's just concept right? Not real, just a side thought they could all chuckle at... They wouldn't sink that low... right?... Please someone tell me I'm right!

They replaced it with a typical b action movie assclown villain moment where TIM twirls his mustache when Shepard is at his mercy.

(facepalm)... not good enough
(headdesk)... still no good!
(bodystairs)...almost...

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

Basically, TIM turned out to be what nearly everyone outside a few people in this thread could see coming from ten miles away.

Except, not, since no one was calling TIM Saren 2.0 or had basis for claiming he was indoctrinated.

You in particular repeatedly claimed something about 'true loyalties to the Reapers.'

[Kaiser Shepard]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I think Cerberus as a whole is less interesting when you turn them into clear enemies with no chance to be able to cooperate.

Indeed.

Cerberus and TIM should be... mmm... the Devil. Does that make any sense?

They're not outright hostile to you, but they may undermine you. They are always ready to offer to make a deal to help you out, but the cost will be high.

That's exactly how my first Shep saw him, and the main reason I had him say the "I know what you are, and the price of dealing with you" like at the end.

[Seboist]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I think Cerberus as a whole is less interesting when you turn them into clear enemies with no chance to be able to cooperate.

Indeed.

Cerberus and TIM should be... mmm... the Devil. Does that make any sense?

They're not outright hostile to you, but they may undermine you. They are always ready to offer to make a deal to help you out, but the cost will be high.

That's exactly how my first Shep saw him, and the main reason I had him say the "I know what you are, and the price of dealing with you" like at the end.

My femshep thought being pampered as a Cerberus Queen in exchange for doing his bidding was a good deal.

[Xilizhra]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Basically, TIM turned out to be what nearly everyone outside a few people in this thread could see coming from ten miles away.

Except, not, since no one was calling TIM Saren 2.0 or had basis for claiming he was indoctrinated.

You in particular repeatedly claimed something about 'true loyalties to the Reapers.'

I don't think I did, and the upshot was that he would be a villain.

[Volus Warlord]

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TIM > pretty much any character spare maybe Saren. And he goes.

[Asenza]

Seboist wrote...

My femshep thought being pampered as a Cerberus Queen in exchange for doing his bidding was a good deal.

So did several of mine.

[Seboist]

Asenza wrote...

Seboist wrote...

My femshep thought being pampered as a Cerberus Queen in exchange for doing his bidding was a good deal.

So did several of mine.

Your femsheps are good sensible women then.

[Dave of Canada]

Xilizhra wrote...

Basically, TIM turned out to be what nearly everyone outside a few people in this thread could see coming from ten miles away.

Of course they'd pander to the obvious, no ****ing way can they write anything that's morally ambigious. I was just hoping the writers would be halfway competent and keep the story away from the senseless pandering drivel that you want.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 12 février 2012 - 03:48 .

[JosephDucreux]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Basically, TIM turned out to be what nearly everyone outside a few people in this thread could see coming from ten miles away.

Of course they'd pander to the obvious, no ****ing way can they write anything that's morally ambigious. I was just hoping the writers would be halfway competent and keep the story away from the senseless pandering drivel that you want.

It's Mac Walters writing the script, what the f*ck were you expecting?

EDIT: Sorry Dave, your sig sucks. May wanna change it.

Modifié par JosephDucreux, 12 février 2012 - 03:58 .

[Xilizhra]

Of course they can write moral ambiguity. Look at the Council, and I think the batarians now that we can ally with them. Cerberus just wasn't what they chose to be the morally ambiguous part.

[JosephDucreux]

Xilizhra wrote...

Of course they can write moral ambiguity. Look at the Council, and I think the batarians now that we can ally with them. Cerberus just wasn't what they chose to be the morally ambiguous part.

Which sucks balls given that Cerberus' moral history was pretty much the most ambiguous. And the Council's morals are nothing but moneh, moneh, moneh and dominance.

[Seboist]

JosephDucreux wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Basically, TIM turned out to be what nearly everyone outside a few people in this thread could see coming from ten miles away.

Of course they'd pander to the obvious, no ****ing way can they write anything that's morally ambigious. I was just hoping the writers would be halfway competent and keep the story away from the senseless pandering drivel that you want.

It's Mac Walters writing the script, what the f*ck were you expecting?

EDIT: Sorry Dave, your sig sucks. May wanna change it.

And don't forget Huson is project lead. Those two are a recipe for disaster.

[Xilizhra]

JosephDucreux wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Of course they can write moral ambiguity. Look at the Council, and I think the batarians now that we can ally with them. Cerberus just wasn't what they chose to be the morally ambiguous part.

Which sucks balls given that Cerberus' moral history was pretty much the most ambiguous. And the Council's morals are nothing but moneh, moneh, moneh and dominance.

And people disagree about the Council, and on ways to handle it. See? Glorious ambiguity.

[JosephDucreux]

Seboist wrote...

Link to the caricature TIM turns into in ME3 (Spoilers)

[Seboist]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

the batarians now that we can ally with them.

An alliance is a political construct. It does not affect morality.

I'm pretty sure that the reason the Batarians offered an alliance is not some great moral awakening of their entire nation. Even a brainless f*cktard wouldn't write that.

I dunno, after reading the kumbaya outcome with the Quarians and Geth I kinda doubt that.

[JosephDucreux]

Seboist wrote...
I dunno, after reading the kumbaya outcome with the Quarians and Geth I kinda doubt that.

F*ck that sh*t, I'm gonna fry all those chickens in buckets in a huge, geth-made vat of oil. Well, all of them save for Kal'Reegar. Only awesome quarian that exists in the entire goddamn series.

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Basically, TIM turned out to be what nearly everyone outside a few people in this thread could see coming from ten miles away.

Except, not, since no one was calling TIM Saren 2.0 or had basis for claiming he was indoctrinated.

You in particular repeatedly claimed something about 'true loyalties to the Reapers.'

I don't think I did, and the upshot was that he would be a villain.

You did. Repeatedly. Even after the spoilers came out, and well before then as well.

Nor did you ever call out in what sense or for what reason Cerberus was the antagonist, instead claiming vindication for unsupported, and since disproven, claims.


The most truth the vast majority of people got right was 'Cerberus is the enemy.' Their reasons and arguments why, however, were not supported.

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

Of course they can write moral ambiguity. Look at the Council,

Like the Geth, the only moral ambiguity the Council gets is the inadverdant sort. Bioware has been consistently sympathetic, if not approving, towards them. Their sins and flaws are not a plot point, or a focus of their characterization.

The only thing that comes close is the Spectres, but the consistent focus on them is that they're entirely based on their own individuality, not the Council's. And of those Spectres, neither of them was sanctioned by the Council in their crimes.

and I think the batarians now that we can ally with them.

The Hegemony is dead, so no. You don't.

Nor would allying with you make them morally ambiguous.

Cerberus just wasn't what they chose to be the morally ambiguous part.

Cerberus was the keystone focus of moral ambiguity in ME2. The only subplot that got a fraction of the focus on ambiguity was the genophage in Mordin's loyalty mission.

Saying that Cerberus wasn't a focus of moral ambiguity is like saying that Saren wasn't a key antagonist of ME1.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 12 février 2012 - 04:26 .

[Xilizhra]

Like the Geth, the only moral ambiguity the Council gets is the inadverdant sort. Bioware has been consistently sympathetic, if not approving, towards them. Their sins and flaws are not a plot point, or a focus of their characterization.

Really? I thought their flaws were the prime point of their characterization, i.e. not seeming to do very well with the geth/Collectors issues.

Cerberus was the keystone focus of moral ambiguity in ME2. The only subplot that got a fraction of the focus on ambiguity was the genophage in Mordin's loyalty mission.

In ME3, I meant.