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Brotherhood of Cerberus - The Illusive Man Discussion/Support Thread

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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 01:51

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Well, if you kept the Collector Base and then chose the paragon/neutral conversation options in the final conversation with TIM, he says:

"Shepard, we need each other."

So perhaps, there will be flying varren in ME3 after all...


I think he's speaking of more than just himself and Shepard. He's speaking of Paragon cause and humanity-first cause.

Which is another reason why this romance would be so involving. It's multi-leveled. It's not just physical attaction, and it's not just admiring Shepard personality - there's also political level involved, there's loyalty to your species involved. You could say there's spiritual level involved, with TIM bringing Shepard back from the dead after she saved the galaxy, when everyone else gave up on her.

And I like it when an important character's motivations are unclear, it's good for drama.

EDIT: In short, multi-leveled conflict is good, multi-leveled romance is more engaging than simple hormonal one, and I like deep drama in a story, and I mourn the lost potential. Oh well, there will be other games, and other stories - just not between Shepard and TIM.

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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 01:55

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laecraft wrote...

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They've must've at least thought about the possibility of something between femshep and TIM at some point. It's hard to believe that with his whole womanizer persona they wouldn't have considered something for them. The story potential would have been off the charts.

Alas, besides romances and some gender specific throw-away dialogue Shepard's gender is only cosmetic.


Maybe they thought that the target audience wasn't worth the effort. But I think they might be surprised at how many people would create a FemShep just to experience a mind-blowing romance with your nemesis. If FemShep and MaleShep were really different, it would add replayability, too. Maybe in the future games?

I like the idea of this romance because of all the drama it would create. That would've been one hell of a ride, tearing the entire world apart and sending ripples and tsunami across the entire plot!

In any case, I'm grateful that Mac answered.


It would have been awesome for TIM to utter some subtle flirtations in his interactions with femshep like after Freedom's Progress where he tells her about being a good leader able to recruit all those squadmates he could say "a woman with your stature and charm could easily achieve that...". That coupled with femshep not knowing whether she could trust him and suspicious that he's using her just to further his own ends would have created one hell of a character dynamic.

Drama and conflict is also the main reason why I created a pro-Cerberus Talimancer by the way.  

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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 01:57

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Bad King wrote...

Well, if you kept the Collector Base and then chose the paragon/neutral conversation options in the final conversation with TIM, he says:

"Shepard, we need each other."

So perhaps, there will be flying varren in ME3 after all...


It's too bad that after he says that femshep utters the atrocious line "I won't sacrifice the soul of my species". :sick:

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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 02:27

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Even if Shisk is on said crew? :o

Edit: Erhm, Sebo? You might want to see this...


::sigh:: I didn't actually think he would be an LI, but knowing it isn't possible is still kinda sad. Oh well.

EDIT: Looking through his twitter is interesting. I mean...

Q: "I'm wondering if I can still side with Cerberus in Mass Effect 3?"
A: I could answer that, but as I am under the influence of indoctrination, could you really believe anything I tell you?

I think he's playing with us and I have no idea when he's serious and when he isn't. <_< I wouldn't even bother asking him anything, just wait until the damn thing comes out.

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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 02:44

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Seboist wrote...

It would have been awesome for TIM to utter some subtle flirtations in his interactions with femshep like after Freedom's Progress where he tells her about being a good leader able to recruit all those squadmates he could say "a woman with your stature and charm could easily achieve that...". That coupled with femshep not knowing whether she could trust him and suspicious that he's using her just to further his own ends would have created one hell of a character dynamic.

Drama and conflict is also the main reason why I created a pro-Cerberus Talimancer by the way.  


That's would've been great. A character dynamic wouldn't even have to alter the main plot. Does it really matter what TIM and Shepard had been speaking about in the privacy of their secure line, if she still goes on a mission after that? And it would be wonderful to have a different ending to the story as a reward for going through the entire romance, despite the many pitfalls and opportunities to interrupt it. And getting a romance-specific mission, that'd be like a dream come true.

Oh, I understand you completely, with your pro-Cerberus Talimancer. Current LIs and other issues in ME3 don't offer nearly enough potential for conflict and drama to engage me, alas. I'm rather jaded and have very demanding tastes.

If you're fighting for the Alliance, your first employer, against the evil Cerberus, the one everybody hates, where's the conflict and the drama in that? Lots of people dying doesn't really create more conflict. Sure, it's sad, but that's about it.

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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 03:00

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Here's the description of my pro-Cerberus Talimancer.

I've role played a Spacer/War Hero as a "fallen hero" type who's gotten PTSD from the blitz and is slowly being converted from a noble hero into a ruthless anti-hero.  He slowly but surely got fed up with the council to the point he was delighted to see them die in the BOTC and in ME2 he's 100% pro-Cerberus due to owing them a debt of gratitude and his nature of being a loyal soldier who's politically apathetic for the most part.

I also made him a Talimancer (spacer background was so he could better relate to her ^_^) so it could create interesting drama and conflict with him being 100% pro-Cerberus. The major reason he kept David in Overlord was due to his love of her and the reason why he blew up the heretic Geth in Legion's LM. He did promise to build her a house on the homeworld after all.


TIM might be able to score a bunch of high profile women in a single week but my Shepard scored a Quarian admiral's daughter and won her over to the cause and even has her wearing an enviro-suit in Cerberus colors. Now that's mackin'.

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Not only that but my Shepard should win a nobel peace prize for improving Quarian-Cerberus relations for sending them Veetor, rescuing that Quarian from the Cyniad and for all those anti-Geth actions he took.:P

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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 03:20

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CoronadoRose wrote...

I wouldn't even bother asking him anything, just wait until the damn thing comes out.


Good idea. I think I'm going to do exactly that.

After I ask him if it's possible to save TIM. He need to know that TIM is not alone. Questions are a form of feedback, after all.

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Seboist wrote...

TIM might be able to score a bunch of high profile women in a single week but my Shepard scored a Quarian admiral's daughter and won her over to the cause and even has her wearing an enviro-suit in Cerberus colors. Now that's mackin'.


Quality over quantity. I can't believe he even has her wearing Cerberus colors. :lol: Oh, Shepard, what are you doing there, lying embraced with a quarian admiral's daughter?

Shepard: Liaising with the quarians.

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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 03:32

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laecraft wrote...

CoronadoRose wrote...

I wouldn't even bother asking him anything, just wait until the damn thing comes out.


Good idea. I think I'm going to do exactly that.

After I ask him if it's possible to save TIM. He need to know that TIM is not alone. Questions are a form of feedback, after all.


You have a point, that is true. I guess I'm just fed up with half answers and being given the runaround (not solely directed at him it's just something that bothers me in general). What is wrong with being straightforward? "Yes, no, I can't tell you" and the like? ::sigh:: :unsure:

Seboist wrote...

Here's the description of my pro-Cerberus Talimancer.

I've
role played a Spacer/War Hero as a "fallen hero" type who's gotten PTSD
from the blitz and is slowly being converted from a noble hero into a
ruthless anti-hero.  He slowly but surely got fed up with the council to
the point he was delighted to see them die in the BOTC and in ME2 he's
100% pro-Cerberus due to owing them a debt of gratitude and his nature
of being a loyal soldier who's politically apathetic for the most part.

I
also made him a Talimancer (spacer background was so he could better
relate to her ^_^) so it could create interesting drama and conflict
with him being 100% pro-Cerberus. The major reason he kept David in
Overlord was due to his love of her and the reason why he blew up the
heretic Geth in Legion's LM. He did promise to build her a house on the
homeworld after all.


TIM might be able to score a bunch
of high profile women in a single week but my Shepard scored a Quarian
admiral's daughter and won her over to the cause and even has her
wearing an enviro-suit in Cerberus colors. Now that's mackin'.

Image IPB

Not
only that but my Shepard should win a nobel peace prize for improving
Quarian-Cerberus relations for sending them Veetor, rescuing that
Quarian from the Cyniad and for all those anti-Geth actions he took.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie]


Shep x Tali is awesome. My canon OTP. :wub:

Modifié par CoronadoRose, 16 septembre 2011 - 03:36 .

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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 03:35

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I think that The Illusive Man will be an excellent adversary if done correctly. He is intelligent, cunning, resourceful, and ruthless. The perfect mastermind. In some respects I would even say he is superior to Shepard.

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Arokel wrote...

I think that The Illusive Man will be an excellent adversary if done correctly. He is intelligent, cunning, resourceful, and ruthless. The perfect mastermind. In some respects I would even say he is superior to Shepard.


I hope they do him justice. We better see his manipulative skills fully deployed against Shepard. If he endangered Shepard even as an ally, imagine how deadly he's going to be as an adversary. This better not be something as straightforward as one shooting mission after another.

And I hope that TIM won't be losing to Shepard constantly. That would devalue the threat and cheapen Shepard's victories. Shepard better lose at least a few times, or win only partially, or get a bitter victory with too much losses. And I expect TIM pull a Xanatos Gambit, so that Shepard loses even if he wins at the end. Or the opposite. (Still hoping that "Cerberus is the enemy" is just a part of TIM's big master plan against the Reapers.)

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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 10:03

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laecraft wrote...

Seboist wrote...

TIM might be able to score a bunch of high profile women in a single week but my Shepard scored a Quarian admiral's daughter and won her over to the cause and even has her wearing an enviro-suit in Cerberus colors. Now that's mackin'.


Quality over quantity. I can't believe he even has her wearing Cerberus colors. :lol: Oh, Shepard, what are you doing there, lying embraced with a quarian admiral's daughter?

Shepard: Liaising with the quarians.


Cerberus Operative Roland Shepard's plan was brilliant, bedding a Quarian admiral's daughter and using his connections with the organization to broker peace between the two, smash the Geth and retake Rannoch. We would have seen Admiral Daro'Xen and Dr. Gavin Archer working together(both in and out of bed :P) with Project Overlord 2.0 and Quarian troops strapped with Arc Projectors and riding around in Hammerheads blasting Geth. It would have been the dawn of a new era with Humanity and the Quarians overthrowing the status quo and dominating the the galaxy together.

Unfortunately the evil wizard Mac Walters screwed the plan all up. :(

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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 02:04

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Why would TIM have been a Femshep-only romance?

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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 02:15

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Xilizhra wrote...

Why would TIM have been a Femshep-only romance?


'Cause he would only be attracted to men that are as good looking as himself and they simply don't exist. :wizard:

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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 02:28

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Xilizhra wrote...

Why would TIM have been a Femshep-only romance?

*facepalm*

He's already been established as a fanatical heterosexual.

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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 02:44

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Why would TIM have been a Femshep-only romance?

*facepalm*

He's already been established as a fanatical heterosexual.

All we know is that he sleeps with a lot of women.

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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 02:47

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Xilizhra wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Why would TIM have been a Femshep-only romance?

*facepalm*

He's already been established as a fanatical heterosexual.

All we know is that he sleeps with a lot of women.

Not everyone has to go both ways, dear.

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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 02:48

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But we don't know that he doesn't.

I mean, probably not, but he's definitely not going to be sleeping with Shepard anyway.

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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 02:54

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 No need to rub it in. :(

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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 04:00

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Or if you have to rub it in, rub it in there.

And wear a TIM mask.

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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 06:31

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Well, to me it seems that there is a lot of things we, including the Shadow Broker, don't know about TIMmy so he may have a malien lover somewhere too.

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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 10:57

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Comparison between Renegade Femshep and her man TIM's eyes.

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I may be mistaken, but I don't think we have this picture on our thread. Time to rectify it. In any case, it's amazing enough to be posted again.

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Posté 16 septembre 2011 - 11:54

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TIM is a ladies' man. I don't give a damn what anybody says. We already have enough problems as it is with play-doh... err cerberus being molded into whatever's convenient.

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Hee, look at this. Anyone still doubts that Mac Walters is Evil?

EDIT: Shoot her way to the top...Including TIM, too? Does she absolutely have to? Sure, my FemShep is tough, but she's not that tough. She's still human! It's going to break her heart if she has to kill TIM.

Well, I asked Mac Walters if we can still save TIM, or if TIM's doomed already. I don't think he's going to answer. There's really nothing else I can do for TIM.

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