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[Seboist]

laecraft wrote...

Hee, look at this. Anyone still doubts that Mac Walters is Evil?

EDIT: Shoot her way to the top...Including TIM, too? Does she absolutely have to? Sure, my FemShep is tough, but she's not that tough. She's still human! It's going to break her heart if she has to kill TIM.

Well,
I asked Mac Walters if we can still save TIM, or if TIM's doomed
already. I don't think he's going to answer. There's really nothing else
I can do for TIM.

The evil wizard Mac Walters is the bigget villain of ME without a doubt.

Oh and my femshep would sooner kill herself than kill TIM.

Modifié par Seboist, 17 septembre 2011 - 12:19 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

There might be hope still!

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 17 septembre 2011 - 12:24 .

[Seboist]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

There might be hope still!

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And you'll end up ruling a weaker organization that will be easily crushed by your opponents due to your destroying the collector base and fighting them in ME3.

[Ashwraith]

Seboist wrote...

Oh and my femshep would sooner kill herself than kill TIM.

Mine would kill him, though you'd pretty much have to force her hand. (I can guarantee you she'd also feel terrible about it later, but- you gotta do what you gotta do.)

[Kaiser Shepard]

Meh, if it were up to me Shepard would've declared sovereignty over the Star Forge Collector Base himself after taking it.

Not like it will matter in the end, as post-ME2 Cerberus probably still ends up with exactly the same assets, with the only variable ultimately being Lazarus...

[Seboist]

laecraft wrote...

There's something I've been wondering. Why do you call him an "evil wizard"? Is that some reference to something on the forums I missed? Or is it just an accurate description of him?

It's just something I started calling him out of an impulse.

[Seboist]

Ashwraith wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Oh and my femshep would sooner kill herself than kill TIM.

Mine would kill him, though you'd pretty much have to force her hand. (I can guarantee you she'd also feel terrible about it later, but- you gotta do what you gotta do.)

I should have specified that my Cerberus loyalist pseudo-canon femshep would soon kill herself than my ambivalent canon one.

Speaking of the canon one, I honestly haven't a clue how I'll role play her consistently.  She and myself started off as anti-Cerberus in ME1 and were for hunting them down as if they were just another criminal gang but then in ME2 we were of the mind that "okay these guys are very shady but if they're willing to provide all this useful assistance against the Reapers then they're cool with us for the time being" but ever since those first playthroughs I've been tainted into becoming 100% pro-Cerberus due to my loving TIM's character and forum posters like Sapha,Dean,etc.

God damn it what a dilemma!

[Seboist]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Meh, if it were up to me Shepard would've declared sovereignty over the Star Forge Collector Base himself after taking it.

Not like it will matter in the end, as post-ME2 Cerberus probably still ends up with exactly the same assets, with the only variable ultimately being Lazarus...

Your Shepard lost the means to create his own Collector army and a shipyard to construct warships. He really needs to learn how to keep his ego in check.

[Kaiser Shepard]

It's not a matter of ego, it's one of justice. And risk, of course. To quote a user whom I greatly admired back in the day: "Take the risk or don't take the risk. That's what it's about."

I'm currently having a moral dilemma of sorts, though; is it just to have TIM's Cerberus play around with the CB for the time being, with the intention of later taking it for my own causes? The ends justifying the means, so basically a typical case of looking into the abyss...

[Seboist]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

It's not a matter of ego, it's one of justice. And risk, of course. To quote a user whom I greatly admired back in the day: "Take the risk or don't take the risk. That's what it's about."

I'm currently having a moral dilemma of sorts, though; is it just to have TIM's Cerberus play around with the CB for the time being, with the intention of later taking it for my own causes? The ends justifying the means, so basically a typical case of looking into the abyss...

You won't be able to take over Cerberus if you don't have the means to take down the primary enemy with the most useful intel and weapon there is. Besides, your Shepard doesn't know that Cerberus is going to turn into play-doh the next game and become 40% of the enemies.

What did you do with the Rawlings data and Overlord by the way?

[Kaiser Shepard]

Seboist wrote...

You won't be able to take over Cerberus if you don't have the means to take down the primary enemy with the most useful intel and weapon there is.

You logic is undeniable, yes, but it just seems so heartless. And unjust.

Besides, your Shepard doesn't know that Cerberus is going to turn into play-doh the next game and become 40% of the enemies.

Oh please, TIM sudden but inevitable betrayal was apparent the moment you met him.

What did you do with the Rawlings data and Overlord by the way?

Kept the data, made it stop.

Wouldn't have objected to Overlord that much if the eponymous deity was consent with his fate, though. Might've even taken it upon myself...

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Lae, you really love your Tvtropes, don't ya?

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 17 septembre 2011 - 01:20 .

[Seboist]

laecraft wrote...

Things change. We respond to new events and revelations, and adapt our views accordingly. It is necessary for survival. Maybe something happens in ME3 to change one of your Shepards' mind again. Like Cerberus constantly shooting at her and working relentlessly to doom humanity.

Myself, after the events of ME2, I'll never be able to role-play pro-Alliance again. The events of Horizon crossed the Moral Event Horizon for me.

Then we have Cerberus resurrecting my Shepard, when everyone else left Shepard to rot. That's something that can never be forgotten or undone, and I'm not going to even pretend to try.

I crossed several other such points-of-no-return in the game. Seeing the restored Normandy for the first time. The Council refusing to help humanity. Anderson refusing to look at Shepard. VS calling me a traitor. Wrex greeting me with the words "my friend!" - the only one happy to see me alive. Morin - ah, with him, every step is a progression. TIM telling me to be careful just before we jump into the Omega-4 relay.

All of that narrows down my range of roleplaying. I can still probably kill TIM with one of my Shepards. But I'll never be happy about it.

I expect the trial in ME3 will be another such point of no return, this time for my relationship with the Earth and humanity. I'm awaiting it with great trepidation. Will they throw Shepard to the wolves to save themselves? Are they really worth fighting for?

My canon Shepard is the only one of my characters that I don't semi-metagame with* that I use for my first playthroughs without any prior knowledge of anything that happens. I only ever retconned one major decision of hers and that was the human councilor one but only due to being extremely tempted to pick Udina originally(boy, picking Anderson was a huge mistake). What I'm worried with is that I won't have her for example kill TIM due to my own personal bias even though it would make perfect sense for the character.

* Semi-metagame as in fully planning the character and all the choices s/he makes in advance.

[Kaiser Shepard]

laecraft wrote...

Tropes are useful. Just evoke one, and everyone knows what you're talking about. I can manage without them, of course. Do they annoy you?

Nah, I quite enjoy seeing someone else using them. It's just that others might not understand what you're talking about, TV Tropes Will Ruin Your Vocabulary and all that.

[Seboist]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Seboist wrote...

You won't be able to take over Cerberus if you don't have the means to take down the primary enemy with the most useful intel and weapon there is.

You logic is undeniable, yes, but it just seems so heartless. And unjust.

Besides, your Shepard doesn't know that Cerberus is going to turn into play-doh the next game and become 40% of the enemies.

Oh please, TIM sudden but inevitable betrayal was apparent the moment you met him.

What did you do with the Rawlings data and Overlord by the way?

Kept the data, made it stop.

Wouldn't have objected to Overlord that much if the eponymous deity was consent with his fate, though. Might've even taken it upon myself...

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Lae, you really love your Tvtropes, don't ya?

Heartlessness and unjustness are further down the list of the most important thing of all, survival!

About TIM's "inevitable betrayal", it simply isn't so. He expresses interest in continuing to work with Shepard regardless of what happens to the base (if base is blown he says "Don't turn your back on me Shepard!") and then there's Retribution that takes place after ME2 that further supports the idea. At the very least he wouldn't act against Shepard until after the Reaper war was over with(assuming they'd both even survive it).

Evil wizard Mac Walters turned Cerberus into play-doh in ME3, plain and simple.

Modifié par Seboist, 17 septembre 2011 - 01:33 .

[Ashwraith]

Lae, you really love your Tvtropes, don't ya?

*wide-eyed vacant stare*

ONE OF US. ONE OF US.

[Ashwraith]

laecraft wrote...

Shepard: *tries to press the trigger, but nothing happens*
TIM: ?
Shepard: Something's wrong with me! *expression of panic on her face* My hands aren't obeying me!
Player: (...)
Shepard: You! *turns to Player* Why have you turned against me at the very end? We went this far! Can't you see that he's the villain?
Player: I'm sorry, Shepard. I can't do this.

Hahahahaha, my Shep's used to having to put up with my crap by now, I'm sure. XD
She already reamed me out for making her personal history a trauma conga line; I'm sure her reaction would be more along the lines of "What th- oh, for CRYING OUT LOUD, Zo, this again?!"

And then I'd whine at her that he was my favorite character and she was in denial and I didn't wanna.
And she'd call me a gullible, railroading sadist.

It'd be just like old times! :3

Ohlawdy, I can see it now.

TIM: Shepard.

Vi!Shep: -WHAT?!

TIM: Why are you yelling at yourself?

Vi!Shep: Because SOMEONE'S having trouble letting GO.
*punches self in the head*
...Oh, you did NOT, you backstabbing hoe!

TIM: ....*ssssssiiiiiiip*

Vi!Shep (to thin air): And another thing! Your monocle is stupid!


...I may get a bit too invested in my characters. >.>

Modifié par Ashwraith, 17 septembre 2011 - 02:21 .

[Seboist]

laecraft wrote...
I see. :happy: Worried, are you? Don't you want to see who turns out to be stronger - you or your avatar? It's a symbiotic relationship. We don't know what will happen, and that's what makes things interesting.

Shepard: *tries to press the trigger, but nothing happens*
TIM: ?
Shepard: Something's wrong with me! *expression of panic on her face* My hands aren't obeying me!
Player: (...)
Shepard: You! *turns to Player* Why have you turned against me at the very end? We went this far! Can't you see that he's the villain?
Player: I'm sorry, Shepard. I can't do this.

I want to see that happen to your Shepard! Any character worth his bytes should be powerful enough to sway the audience, not just the avatars.

That's followed by..

Shepard: What the? Why are my hands moving my gun to point at my head?! No! I won't allow this!
*Shepard struggles to gain control of her arms*
Seboist: Sorry Shepard, I like TIM more than I do you.
Shepard: You son of a ****!
*Shepard kills herself*
*Seboist and TIM high five each other*
Seboist: You know I have your back boss!



Of course, this is dependant on ME3 not butchering TIM's character and making a mockery of it. If that's the case, then I'd kill the poor bastard to put him out of his misery.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Seboist wrote...

Heartlessness and unjustness are further down the list of the most important thing of all, survival!

Justice Before Reason

About TIM's "inevitable betrayal", it simply isn't so. He expresses interest in continuing to work with Shepard regardless of what happens to the base (if base is blown he says "Don't turn your back on me Shepard!") and then there's Retribution that takes place after ME2 that further supports the idea. At the very least he wouldn't act against Shepard until after the Reaper war was over with(assuming they'd both even survive it).

He simply tells you what you want to hear, as he has been from the very beginning. Often he's simply stroking your ego, whether you're aware of it or not.

Evil wizard Mac Walters turned Cerberus into play-doh in ME3, plain and simple.

That much I agree with.

Ashwraith wrote...

Lae, you really love your Tvtropes, don't ya?

*wide-eyed vacant stare*

ONE OF US. ONE OF US.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 17 septembre 2011 - 02:56 .