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Brotherhood of Cerberus - The Illusive Man Discussion/Support Thread

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Posté 22 septembre 2011 - 11:23

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Dave of Canada wrote...

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This is what I thought ME3 was going to do, but now it seems Bioware has discarded everything they've established about Cerberus up to this point.


I don't even know why they've shown Cerberus as being put in a weakened position if there's an army that spawns from thin air.


Nanomachines or Dracula's Magic, take your pick. :wizard:

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Posté 22 septembre 2011 - 11:24

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They showed Cerberus as being weakened so that they could replenish their ranks from elsewhere.

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Posté 22 septembre 2011 - 11:27

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Nanomachines or Dracula's Magic, take your pick. :wizard:


Their army is augmented.

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Posté 22 septembre 2011 - 11:33

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I have the feeling that the eyes of these soldiers are hints that they aren't quite human.

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Posté 22 septembre 2011 - 11:37

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Dave of Canada wrote...

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This is what I thought ME3 was going to do, but now it seems Bioware has discarded everything they've established about Cerberus up to this point.


I don't even know why they've shown Cerberus as being put in a weakened position if there's an army that spawns from thin air.


That massive army of theirs renders everything we learned about Cerberus in ME2 and Retribution completely irrelevent. It means all those plotlines and all that information was a total waste of time.

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Posté 22 septembre 2011 - 11:41

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

This is what I thought ME3 was going to do, but now it seems Bioware has discarded everything they've established about Cerberus up to this point.


I don't even know why they've shown Cerberus as being put in a weakened position if there's an army that spawns from thin air.


That massive army of theirs renders everything we learned about Cerberus in ME2 and Retribution completely irrelevent. It means all those plotlines and all that information was a total waste of time.

Not if they have a reason for it, like going on an indoctrination spree.

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Posté 22 septembre 2011 - 11:48

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Not if they have a reason for it, like going on an indoctrination spree.


No, silly, it is still a waste of time. If they were going to have Cerberus attack us with a large army then they could have just skipped all that bull**** and kept us in the dark more.

It was all pointless. EDI's blocks, the plotline of Retribution, and all the comments about how important and expensive Shepard (and the SR2) were. Pointless.

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Posté 22 septembre 2011 - 11:52

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Edit: I'm stupid and need sleep. 

Modifié par Aeowyn, 22 septembre 2011 - 11:52 .

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Posté 22 septembre 2011 - 11:56

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Saphra Deden wrote...

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Not if they have a reason for it, like going on an indoctrination spree.


No, silly, it is still a waste of time. If they were going to have Cerberus attack us with a large army then they could have just skipped all that bull**** and kept us in the dark more.

It was all pointless. EDI's blocks, the plotline of Retribution, and all the comments about how important and expensive Shepard (and the SR2) were. Pointless.

Not if they have a resource shortage as one of the reasons they side with the Reapers.

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Posté 23 septembre 2011 - 12:16

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Not if they have a resource shortage as one of the reasons they side with the Reapers.


Why would a resource shortage cause Cerberus to side with the Reapers?

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Posté 23 septembre 2011 - 12:19

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Saphra Deden wrote...

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Not if they have a resource shortage as one of the reasons they side with the Reapers.


Why would a resource shortage cause Cerberus to side with the Reapers?

TIM suspects that the war would render his dreams of conventional human dominance unattainable, with no time for Cerberus to rebuild, so he cuts his losses by siding with the Reapers and going for ascension.

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Posté 23 septembre 2011 - 12:21

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Xilizhra wrote...

TIM suspects that the war would render his dreams of conventional human dominance unattainable, with no time for Cerberus to rebuild, so he cuts his losses by siding with the Reapers and going for ascension.


If that were the case why was he willing to die (and Cerberus along with him) in Retribution?

Sorry, Xilizhra, this is weak at best.

If Cerberus is going to join with the Reapers then just have them join with the Reapers. However there is then no point in spending an entire game and novel telling us how strong Cerberus is (or was) only to go and undermine that.

It was all pointless. Don't you understand that?

It'd be like finding out that the Spectres actually just an elite arm of C-Sec they too are a secret army.

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Posté 23 septembre 2011 - 12:24

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If Cerberus is going to join with the Reapers then just have them join with the Reapers. However there is then no point in spending an entire game and novel telling us how strong Cerberus is (or was) only to go and undermine that.

My point is that this isn't necessarily true. It could well be followed up on; I always thought the most important aspect of removing EDI's blocks was learning what a control freak TIM was, thus removing the plausible deniability of his role in Teltin.

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Posté 23 septembre 2011 - 12:25

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I have the feeling that the eyes of these soldiers are hints that they aren't quite human.

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Or maybe they are. They just have severe cases of Down Syndrome. It's what's required for a human to willingly oppose Shepard.

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Posté 23 septembre 2011 - 12:31

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My point is that this isn't necessarily true.


It's either true or Bioware are worse writers than I thought.

You are really stretching it with EDI at this point. Really, really stretching it.

The monitoring devices and comments from EDI/Miranda already told us what a control freak he was. No need to have the blocks removed (which supposedly let us learn some facts) only to have the information we then learned rendered false by the next game. No point at all.

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Posté 23 septembre 2011 - 12:33

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iOnlySignIn wrote...

Seboist wrote...

I have the feeling that the eyes of these soldiers are hints that they aren't quite human.

http://i1107.photobu...rooper_Shot.png

Or maybe they are. They just have severe cases of Down Syndrome. It's what's required for a human to willingly oppose Shepard.


I would shoot my Shepard in her face for trying to act against TIM.

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Posté 23 septembre 2011 - 02:20

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Wow, Dave, that's amazing! That post is the highlight of the thread. This is the perfect way to show support to TIM. It's on a higher level than simply posting pics or arguments. Damn that was fun.

So yeah, I just saw that now. :P Yep, I'm a little slow. I admit I'm apprehensive about checking this thread. And I have to read posts in here with my hands tied, to stop myself from typing endlessly in reply to everyone. I wasn't expecting this wonderful piece of writing.

Please write something else! <3 TIM needs your support. 

Okay, I'm reading the rest in this thread now.

EDIT: And did I mention that the music lasts exactly as long as it requires me to read the episode?

Okay, I don't want to read anything else. I just want to read that episode again. :lol: oh I'm still laughing.

EDIT2: This incredible gem is going to be lost in this thread. It needs a reference in the OP, or a different webpage or something. Everybody on BSN should read this, they're missing out of they don't read this thread. This is even better than fanart. With people like Dave in our ranks, we can convert the unbelievers still and tip the balance of fate into our favour. Can other support threads boast something like that episode?

EDTI3: "Tells me he's a really good liar that he believes even himself, what better way to be a liar than having the perfect cover of believing yourself?" :lol: that's brilliant.

Oh yeah, the Paragon Shepard is really going to have a blast in ME3, and the Renegade one is really miserable, you've conveyed that perfectly in a creative form. I could speak for hours about that and never make it that clear. Also, when they said that Renegade Shepard won't be showing up, I immediately wanted him to show up. :D and then he barges on.

oh those audience noises. BOO! :lol:

can we have another episode...

"They offered to help me save the universe, I wanted to refuse but I couldn't." <-  this one is just PERFECT. Oh yeah, "don't like Cerberus being the enemy in ME3? well, we didn't like working with them in ME2, that's exactly the same!" you took care of that moronic argument.

"Evil? Evil how? Evil like modern tween novels?" :lol:

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Posté 23 septembre 2011 - 03:23

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Dave of Canada wrote...

Seboist wrote...
Nanomachines or Dracula's Magic, take your pick. :wizard:


Their army is augmented.

They didn't ask for this?

My money is still on that one theory, that they're an army of Shepard clones, brought up to speed with Okeer's memory imprinting tech and made fully "loyal" through indoctrination.

TIM being the future incarnation of Castlevania's Dracula is a twist I'd welcome, though, as long as Death still makes an appearance.

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Posté 23 septembre 2011 - 03:33

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Seboist wrote...
Nanomachines or Dracula's Magic, take your pick. :wizard:


Their army is augmented.

They didn't ask for this?

My money is still on that one theory, that they're an army of Shepard clones, brought up to speed with Okeer's memory imprinting tech and made fully "loyal" through indoctrination.

TIM being the future incarnation of Castlevania's Dracula is a twist I'd welcome, though, as long as Death still makes an appearance.


I wouldn't be surprised if The Illusive Man attempts to organize a raid on Shepard and switch him/her with one of the clones, with the clone fooling the real Shepard's allies into thinking that the clone is the real Shepard. That would be an interesting take.

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Posté 23 septembre 2011 - 03:45

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Saphra Deden wrote...

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Not if they have a resource shortage as one of the reasons they side with the Reapers.


Why would a resource shortage cause Cerberus to side with the Reapers?


Because certain asari leaders apply their own thought processes to the leaders of humanity. To someone without firm convictions, eveything is a means to an abstract end. For someone who fights for the abstract Whole and who holds nothing sacred and who would sacrifice practically everything for "the rest of the galaxy", it's hard to comprehend that there are people who have the lines they would never cross. And who would always fight for survival and advancement of their own species, and would never surrender them, no matter what. TIM loves humanity. He's proud of his species, he has faith in them. An asari can't appreciate that.

Yep, there are easier and much less final ways to restore your resources than siding with the Reapers. And TIM deploys them. When he attacks Omega, he either already restored his organization, or is in the process of doing it. Perhaps attacking Omega serves his purpose of building his army. He's putting what he got out of that base to good use.

I wonder if they made Cerberus nearly destroyed and greatly weakened so that they could write more books and comics about how Cerberus gets restored. Or maybe they just didn't plan ahead. Or had a change of plans right in the process.

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Posté 23 septembre 2011 - 03:53

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Laecraft, I'm impressed. Most Cerberus supporters are fairly solid pragmatic consequentialists. You, however, have managed to create a moral code that combines everything bad about deontological ethics and consequentialist ethics while alienating absolutely everyone in the game universe, and whipped a huge superiority complex into the mixture. You deserve some kind of golf clap.

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Posté 23 septembre 2011 - 04:13

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Saphra Deden wrote...

The monitoring devices and comments from EDI/Miranda already told us what a control freak he was.


TIM is a control freak. That's why he'll never surrender any power over humanity to the Reapers. He wants all that control over humanity's fate in his own hands. And with good reason, too. Relying on the Reapers' cooperation in advancement and preservation of humanity is not exactly the most brilliant plan.

Unless becoming a Reaper is the goal. In which case, there's no need to pacticipate in the war, you just need to step
aside and wait.

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Posté 23 septembre 2011 - 04:14

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Didn't you simply choose the Paragon option each and every time, just because it was the Paragon option?

Also, about your new sig, you spelled "Saphra" wrong

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Posté 23 septembre 2011 - 04:54

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Didn't you simply choose the Paragon option each and every time, just because it was the Paragon option?

No.

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Posté 23 septembre 2011 - 04:58

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laecraft wrote...

Or maybe they just didn't plan ahead. Or had a change of plans right in the process.


I'm pretty sure it is both of these. There are tons of hints about this.
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