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[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

TIM knows how to please any woman in the same way that all fictional persons are bisexual unless explicitly stated otherwise.

That doesn't even make grammatical sense, much less any other kind.

Removed the 'happy', so it's corrected. Typo.

[Xilizhra]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

TIM knows how to please any woman in the same way that all fictional persons are bisexual unless explicitly stated otherwise.

That doesn't even make grammatical sense, much less any other kind.

Removed the 'happy', so it's corrected. Typo.

My Shepard is both lesbian and against Cerberus. Hence, TIM is incapable of "pleasing" her in such a manner. Your argument is invalid.

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

TIM knows how to please any woman in the same way that all fictional persons are bisexual unless explicitly stated otherwise.

That doesn't even make grammatical sense, much less any other kind.

Removed the 'happy', so it's corrected. Typo.

My Shepard is both lesbian and against Cerberus. Hence, TIM is incapable of "pleasing" her in such a manner. Your argument is invalid.

Wonderful way to miss the point by a mile, Xilizhra...

[Xilizhra]

Well, if you're using the same principle in both cases (namely, it's unclear whether anyone can be pleased by anyone else until they make it clear), I've since made it clear. Though if that's not your point, I do wonder what is.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Dean and Xili, your arguments never get old no matter how much I read them.

On a more serious note: I have been re-reading Retribution and I have this question regarding the timeline. When do you guys think it [Retribution] fits in regards to Arrival (assuming Arrival happens post-suicide mission, which it does)? Before or after?

I had originally thought Retribution picked after Arrival but right now I'm not so sure, especially after reading the new comic Conviction. I'm asking this because in Retribution TIM seems to be very serious about the Reaper threat, which kind of makes me wonder if this is a direct consequence of his knowledge regarding what happened in Arrival or just simply what he's planned all along. In other words, I think Retribution must take place very shortly after Arrival, but I'm not overly sure.

So, uh, any thoughts while we're at it?

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 24 septembre 2011 - 05:59 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Oh Xili, how get more difficult to take seriously by the day.

As for Retribution and Arrival, I think you're overthinking it, or perhaps just more than the writers did: given the impact of Arrival, I suspect the writers didn't take into account that we already had Retribution taking place after it. Still, given how Arrival can technically take place anywhere after Horizon, placing it the novel after the dlc would be the safest approach... although you could also headcanon it to take place at roughly the same time post-SM.

[Ieldra]

Xilizhra wrote...
Why is your Shepard even attracted to TIM?

"Capturing the audience with his charisma, incredible intellect, mastery of manipulation, and boldness of action, this character is a show-stealer, demanding your reverence at every turn."

From the tvtropes description of the Magnificent Bastard. TIM is, of course, listed.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 24 septembre 2011 - 07:20 .

[Sebby]

Xilizhra wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

You know, up until now, I'd respected TIM as a worthy opponent. I didn't actually hate him until this very point. If TIM is that ****ing egotistical, he can go donate to a sperm bank or something.

TIM is just being a man and part of being a man is spreading one's seed.

Besides, Miranda was prolly just looking for a sugar daddy. When TIM wasn't giving enough dough she quit Cerberus and went with a sucker who would(Sheploo).

Hm. I rather suspect, at this point, that I'm simply being trolled. You overdid it with the last Miranda line.

Miranda said she left all her possesions behind when she "escaped" from her father and sought "protection" with Cerberus.  Which obviously includes $$$$$.

I suspect that this sort of thing is inevitable for one so deranged that they'd believe TIM capable of love.

If TIM wasn't capable of love he wouldn't be working his ass off for decades trying to save his people from the Reapers and other alien threats.

[Fiery Phoenix]

That's a rather smart assessment, Laecraft. Things are indeed quiet in Retribution, so perhaps it does happen before Arrival after all.

You're also right it obviously wasn't planned out. That much is clear.

[Sebby]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Why is your Shepard even attracted to TIM?

"Capturing the audience with his charisma, incredible intellect, mastery of manipulation, and boldness of action, this character is a show-stealer, demanding your reverence at every turn."

From the tvtropes description of the Magnificent Bastard. TIM is, of course, listed.

Yeah, TIM is his own man unlike the chump underlings like Kaidan,Garrus,etc who bark at femshep's every command and get vagina whipped into submission.

That's why he won't have any trouble manipulating the clothes off of my femsheps' back. <3

[ADLegend21]

Seboist wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Why is your Shepard even attracted to TIM?

"Capturing the audience with his charisma, incredible intellect, mastery of manipulation, and boldness of action, this character is a show-stealer, demanding your reverence at every turn."

From the tvtropes description of the Magnificent Bastard. TIM is, of course, listed.

Yeah, TIM is his own man unlike the chump underlings like Kaidan,Garrus,etc who bark at femshep's every command and get vagina whipped into submission.

That's why he won't have any trouble manipulating the clothes off of my femsheps' back. <3

Did oyu even play Horizon?

"Come with me Kaidan"
"no" *leaves*

I do think TIM would fall to Shepard's will if he was at gun point though.

Modifié par ADLegend21, 24 septembre 2011 - 07:31 .

[jlb524]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Why is your Shepard even attracted to TIM?

"Capturing the audience with his charisma, incredible intellect, mastery of manipulation, and boldness of action, this character is a show-stealer, demanding your reverence at every turn."

From the tvtropes description of the Magnificent Bastard. TIM is, of course, listed.

That must be why I must hate him so...I hate that trope.

[Sebby]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Why is your Shepard even attracted to TIM?

"Capturing the audience with his charisma, incredible intellect, mastery of manipulation, and boldness of action, this character is a show-stealer, demanding your reverence at every turn."

From the tvtropes description of the Magnificent Bastard. TIM is, of course, listed.

Yeah, TIM is his own man unlike the chump underlings like Kaidan,Garrus,etc who bark at femshep's every command and get vagina whipped into submission.

That's why he won't have any trouble manipulating the clothes off of my femsheps' back. <3

Did oyu even play Horizon?

"Come with me Kaidan"
"no" *leaves*

I do think TIM would fall to Shepard's will if he was at gun point though.

Aside of the issue of sloppy writing, Horizon turns Ash and Kaidan into the NPC equivalent and Sheploo/Femshep.Besides, I was talking about his portrayal in ME1 where he's completely submissive and can even be vagina whipped into being renegade(Sheploo can't do that to him).

Renegade/Renegon femshep is really screwed out of getting appropriate romances like Zaeed and TIM.

[Ieldra]

jlb524 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Why is your Shepard even attracted to TIM?

"Capturing the audience with his charisma, incredible intellect, mastery of manipulation, and boldness of action, this character is a show-stealer, demanding your reverence at every turn."

From the tvtropes description of the Magnificent Bastard. TIM is, of course, listed.

That must be why I must hate him so...I hate that trope.

Why?

[Xilizhra]

laecraft wrote...

TIM loves humanity, that's for sure. If it isn't love, then I want that thing that drives him, whatever it's called, because it saved us all, and because he's been putting his ass on the line from the very beginning for his people. And if what drives VS on Horizon is "love", then I don't want that sentiment, whatever it's called, because it caused VS to abandon Shepard and humanity in our darkest hour.

Megalomania.

Renegade/Renegon femshep is really screwed out of getting appropriate romances like Zaeed and TIM.

Hope for Morinth, then.
Though, were you looking for someone who doesn't follow all of Shepard's orders, to the extent of giving up a revenge quest due to being told? You're out of luck with Zaeed, then.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 24 septembre 2011 - 07:44 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Way to make me feel unappreciated, Phoenix. 

jlb524 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Magnificent Bastard

That must be why I must hate him so...I hate that trope.

Love the trope myself, but can't justify letting him live because of it.

Xilizhra wrote...

laecraft wrote...

TIM loves humanity, that's for sure. If it isn't love, then I want that thing that drives him, whatever it's called, because it saved us all, and because he's been putting his ass on the line from the very beginning for his people. And if what drives VS on Horizon is "love", then I don't want that sentiment, whatever it's called, because it caused VS to abandon Shepard and humanity in our darkest hour.

Megalomania.

Not quite yet, Utopia Justifies the Means more like it.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 24 septembre 2011 - 07:50 .

[Barquiel]

laecraft wrote...

TIM loves humanity, that's for sure.

Cerberus has killed more Humans in tests than were lost in the First Contact War (and several times as many aliens)...I feel the love:wub:

[Sebby]

Xilizhra wrote...

Hope for Morinth, then.
Though, were you looking for someone who doesn't follow all of Shepard's orders, to the extent of giving up a revenge quest due to being told? You're out of luck with Zaeed, then.

The Paragon path of his loyalty mission doesn't exist in any of my playthroughs so no problem with Zaeed there.

Morinth is an interesting possibility I must admit but I doubt she'll recieves any justice to her character in ME3(much like in ME2).

[Labrev]

laecraft wrote...

^This awesome picture breaks my heart. Why must I fall for the absolutely DOOMED character just before he's being DESTROYED. This is so very tragic and sad.

This happened to me so many times. For example, in Harry Potter series, I really liked Sirius, that character Harry saves in book three from certain execution, and then he DIES in book five, that was horrible, I was positively bawling. Speaking of that series, it, too, betrayed its own premise: in the beginning, it was "love conquers everything," and then it changed to "death conquers everything," that was not a pleasant switch.

Why spend so much writing time on fleshing out his character only to doom him, that's so very wasteful. Get me attached to him, then go ahead and kill him, good job. TIM stars in so many comics and novels, makes no sense to end it all in death. I want to save him.

If they can keep him alive, and then make him a prominent character in the next series, and promise us that we can properly ally with him this time, then I'd surely follow into the new series. And if not, then I won't. It won't be the same without TIM. It will be boring.

I think other people will follow too, since they'd really want to finally kill him. All that emotional attachment that "worked so well" like people praised it for ME3, it works both ways. If Paragons are furious and frustrated, isn't it a very good thing? Since emotional attachment worked.

Well, I didn't mean to burst into tears at the sight of the picture. I really like it. I just wish we could work with TIM again, like in ME2. I wish we could do it, in the new series - not as Shepard, of course, but Shepard's story is already too limited.

And humanity without TIM is screwed. If not for him, we wouldn't even have biotics. I don't want to see what happens to humanity if TIM dies.

Everybody's insulting his principles, and that's easy to do, since he has those. You can't attack other characters' principles in the game, because they don't have any. Oh, they have personal motivations, but that's about it. TIM's the only one with a clear vision, and a dedication to his cause.

I don't know how they can ever replace him. A character with clear goals and strong driving purpose is really hard to come by.

See, I think he should get the axe, and look forward to it, BECAUSE I think he is such a great character.

If done right, of course. A boss-fight would just be insulting. What would be cool would be a dramatic tell-all sort of confrontation, where TIM tells you about his motives beyond "defense and preservation of humanity." A moment where you hear the untold personal side of the story, and where you make him justify things he's done when the ends didn't justify the means.

And maybe the end of that confrontation shouldn't be simply killing him, there are a bunch of different options that come to my head that would be interesting and fair to others as well.

But for me, even if given other options, I would choose to end him. Out of respect. It's the end of the triology anyway. What's his life after ME3, keep running Cerberus and then retire? Boring. A truly great character like him should get the most epic exit of 'em all, and that is going out... in a BLAZE OF GLORY!!!!

[Sebby]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

See, I think he should get the axe, and look forward to it, BECAUSE I think he is such a great character.

If done right, of course. A boss-fight would just be insulting. What would be cool would be a dramatic tell-all sort of confrontation, where TIM tells you about his motives beyond "defense and preservation of humanity." A moment where you hear the untold personal side of the story, and where you make him justify things he's done when the ends didn't justify the means.

And maybe the end of that confrontation shouldn't be simply killing him, there are a bunch of different options that come to my head that would be interesting and fair to others as well.

But for me, even if given other options, I would choose to end him. Out of respect. It's the end of the triology anyway. What's his life after ME3, keep running Cerberus and then retire? Boring. A truly great character like him should get the most epic exit of 'em all, and that is going out... in a BLAZE OF GLORY!!!!

After the boss fight where TIM dies in his space station his soul will split into two causing him to become Emperor of Heaven and Hell. While Shepard and her crew descend into hell to battle his Emperor of Hell form, all the dead squadmates from the Suicide Mission will be in Heaven fighting his other form there.

This will be the theme that plays during those three boss fights Battle Scene 3

I'm calling it now.

Modifié par Seboist, 24 septembre 2011 - 08:02 .

[Sebby]

Like Lae said TIM's organization prevents a million mothers mourning the loss of a million sons. The sacrifice of a few will save the lives of many.

[jlb524]

Ieldra2 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Why is your Shepard even attracted to TIM?

"Capturing the audience with his charisma, incredible intellect, mastery of manipulation, and boldness of action, this character is a show-stealer, demanding your reverence at every turn."

From the tvtropes description of the Magnificent Bastard. TIM is, of course, listed.

That must be why I must hate him so...I hate that trope.

Why?

I suppose I fail to see what's so magnificent about them.  Apparently T.I.M. has 'charisma' but I don't get it.