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[whywhywhywhy]

He may have had great intentions but he's a idiot. TIM ego let him ruin a perfect situations by setting up Shepard and the team twice. Horizon and the collector ship could have been done differently and more beneficial. Also why poison the waters by saying Shep's with them they should of tried unifying instead creating a divide. Even if they had to pretend to be a different organization.

[Seboist]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

He may have had great intentions but he's a idiot. TIM ego let him ruin a perfect situations by setting up Shepard and the team twice. Horizon and the collector ship could have been done differently and more beneficial. Also why poison the waters by saying Shep's with them they should of tried unifying instead creating a divide. Even if they had to pretend to be a different organization.

TIM's masterful planning with Horizon and the Collector ship saved lives and gained valuable intel for the ultimate victory against the Collectors. He's a brilliant strategist.

[pablodurando]

Seboist wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

He may have had great intentions but he's a idiot. TIM ego let him ruin a perfect situations by setting up Shepard and the team twice. Horizon and the collector ship could have been done differently and more beneficial. Also why poison the waters by saying Shep's with them they should of tried unifying instead creating a divide. Even if they had to pretend to be a different organization.

TIM's masterful planning with Horizon and the Collector ship saved lives and gained valuable intel for the ultimate victory against the Collectors. He's a brilliant strategist.

Exactly, to even build up an orginazation with as many sectors as Cerberus has takes a genius.  In a positive way he's manipulative and knows how to get the job done, whether it be a good way or bad way.

[whywhywhywhy]

Seboist wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

He may have had great intentions but he's a idiot. TIM ego let him ruin a perfect situations by setting up Shepard and the team twice. Horizon and the collector ship could have been done differently and more beneficial. Also why poison the waters by saying Shep's with them they should of tried unifying instead creating a divide. Even if they had to pretend to be a different organization.

TIM's masterful planning with Horizon and the Collector ship saved lives and gained valuable intel for the ultimate victory against the Collectors. He's a brilliant strategist.

I disagree.  What if Horizon was made into a trap for the collectors or  Shepard told the collector Ship was a trap and they went in with the intention of stealing tech and or diabling the ship and having a fleet meet them to take control of it.

[StellarMagic]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

Seboist wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

He may have had great intentions but he's a idiot. TIM ego let him ruin a perfect situations by setting up Shepard and the team twice. Horizon and the collector ship could have been done differently and more beneficial. Also why poison the waters by saying Shep's with them they should of tried unifying instead creating a divide. Even if they had to pretend to be a different organization.

TIM's masterful planning with Horizon and the Collector ship saved lives and gained valuable intel for the ultimate victory against the Collectors. He's a brilliant strategist.

I disagree.  What if Horizon was made into a trap for the collectors or  Shepard told the collector Ship was a trap and they went in with the intention of stealing tech and or diabling the ship and having a fleet meet them to take control of it.

Shepard: "So the distress call is a fake... hmmm.  Garrus power up the Thanix cannon, we're disabling that thing and then we're boarding them."

[Seboist]

Here's a superb wallpaper of the man himself that I'm currently using on my desktop.



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I salute this everytime I turn on the comp ^

Modifié par Seboist, 06 décembre 2011 - 07:11 .

[Seboist]

Great artwork of the man himself.



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Modifié par Seboist, 06 décembre 2011 - 07:14 .

[Xinder5]

I'm gonna throw my support with a lot of people in this thread. While I don't approve of everything Cerberus does, I can see that they (usually) have the best intentions. This does seem to backfire on them a lot (the road to hell is paved with good intentions, after all) but I can't really hold that against them.

What I'd like to see in Mass Effect 3 is The Illusive Man as a competent antagonist. I don't want any boss battles against him or him as a temporary squadmate. He's a planner, a strategist, a noncombatant. Those are where his strengths lie. I want to see reaching him trigger a deep cutscene with several choices and options available. I want to hear his side of the story. And what I really want is to convince him to work with me once more. Not work over me or for me, but with me as an ally. Hand over all his research and help us take down the Reapers.

So long as he isn't forced to kill, completely insane, irredeemably evil, totally indoctrinated, or anything of the like, I'll be pleased. After all, he embodies the best and worst aspects of humanity. Let's see more of the good aspects. I've seen them, just not enough.

And yes, I love T.I.M. as a character. He's extremely well-written. He's not meant to be a likable guy, and that shows. ....That's sorta why I like him so much.

[CoronadoRose]

Wow, so many posts since the last time I was here. XD

Xinder5 wrote...

I'm gonna throw my support with a lot of people in this thread. While I don't approve of everything Cerberus does, I can see that they (usually) have the best intentions. This does seem to backfire on them a lot (the road to hell is paved with good intentions, after all) but I can't really hold that against them.

What I'd like to see in Mass Effect 3 is The Illusive Man as a competent antagonist. I don't want any boss battles against him or him as a temporary squadmate. He's a planner, a strategist, a noncombatant. Those are where his strengths lie. I want to see reaching him trigger a deep cutscene with several choices and options available. I want to hear his side of the story. And what I really want is to convince him to work with me once more. Not work over me or for me, but with me as an ally. Hand over all his research and help us take down the Reapers.

So long as he isn't forced to kill, completely insane, irredeemably evil, totally indoctrinated, or anything of the like, I'll be pleased. After all, he embodies the best and worst aspects of humanity. Let's see more of the good aspects. I've seen them, just not enough.

And yes, I love T.I.M. as a character. He's extremely well-written. He's not meant to be a likable guy, and that shows. ....That's sorta why I like him so much.

Well said, I completely agree.

[Wynne]

Seboist wrote...

But I DO think I should. He's a great man who has fought for human interests for decades and saved humanity from the Collectors. He's right up there with Mother Teresa as far as I'm concerned.

Dude, did you read Retribution? The man sure has a taste for petty revenge and cruelty, regardless of whatever reasons he may give. While it may be related to his history, and thus not entirely his fault, he is not Mother Teresa. She never had anyone assassinated for simply being in the way of her preferred candidate for a job, for one thing.

Also, TIM didn't save humanity from the Collectors directly. He gave Shepard the tools, Shepard did the actual saving, as she also did once before him and once after him (ME1, then Arrival). If anyone's MT it's her.

So there's plenty of reason one shouldn't like the guy. He can justify his actions to himself a little too much, even if he didn't mess with the kids on Pragia he still messed with Gillian and his taste for Reaper technology obviously hasn't worked out very well for him.

Although, again, it's not necessarily his fault, if his background had the effect on him that one would suspect. But that bodes ill for any help that might come from him--how can we trust that whatever tech he hands over isn't going to poison the minds of those who try to use it? Remember the Reaper ship in ME2--all the precautions in the world aren't necessarily going to be potent enough to protect you from the endlessly subtle evil of indoctrination.

Modifié par Wynne, 29 juillet 2011 - 01:08 .

[Seboist]

Wynne wrote...

Seboist wrote...

But I DO think I should. He's a great man who has fought for human interests for decades and saved humanity from the Collectors. He's right up there with Mother Teresa as far as I'm concerned.

Dude, did you read Retribution? The man sure has a taste for petty revenge and cruelty, regardless of whatever reasons he may give. While it may be related to his history, and thus not entirely his fault, he is not Mother Teresa. She never had anyone assassinated for simply being in the way of her preferred candidate for a job, for one thing.

Also, TIM didn't save humanity from the Collectors directly. He gave Shepard the tools, Shepard did the actual saving, as she also did once before him and once after him (ME1, then Arrival). If anyone's MT it's her.

So there's plenty of reason one shouldn't like the guy. He can justify his actions to himself a little too much, even if he didn't mess with the kids on Pragia he still messed with Gillian and his taste for Reaper technology obviously hasn't worked out very well for him.

Although, again, it's not necessarily his fault, if his background had the effect on him that one would suspect. But that bodes ill for any help that might come from him--how can we trust that whatever tech he hands over isn't going to poison the minds of those who try to use it? Remember the Reaper ship in ME2--all the precautions in the world aren't necessarily going to be potent enough to protect you from the endlessly subtle evil of indoctrination.

Grayson was a scumbag traitor who betrayed TIM and endangered countless human lives when he turned rat. He should be thankful his body was used to advance human survival instead of being lined up against the wall and shot.

TIM deserves most of the credit for the succesful collector operation. His logistics,funding and direction made it all possible. Shepard was merely in charge of the tactical field decisions and owes his/her entire existence to TIM.

Humans everywhere owe a tremedous debt of gratitude to Mr.Harper and should line themselves up to kiss his ring as if he were the damn pope.

Modifié par Seboist, 29 juillet 2011 - 01:57 .

[Seboist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Wynne wrote...

 Dude, did you read Retribution? The man sure has a taste for petty revenge and cruelty, regardless of whatever reasons he may give.

Yeah, he's not a saint and he'd be the first to admit it. At least TIM's version of revenge is productive and benefits the galaxy. (well until the turians crash the party and set loose a monster due to their own stupidity)


If you think only Shepard deserves credit for stopping the Collectors then you've got an inflated opinion of yourself (or of Shepard's at least).

TIM was the one who enabled Shepard to do it in the first place. He brought Shepard back to life. Gave Shepard a ship, a crew, money, information, objectives, and strategies to achieve those objectives.

It was TIM who masterminded the operation. Shepard was just a grunt on the ground. Shepard wasn't given tools, Shepard was the tool.

Like when Shepard goes out to fetch a Volus' credit chit or goes out to search for some guy's brother in a missing freighter. S/he is the biggest tool there is.

[Seboist]

work in progress by Velvetrue of "The Illusive Woman"



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This is my femshep after she becomes Mrs.Harper and retires to TIM's kitchen and bedroom after the reaper war ^

Modifié par Seboist, 06 décembre 2011 - 07:08 .

[StellarMagic]

Saphra Deden wrote...

StellarMagic wrote...

Shepard: "So the distress call is a fake... hmmm.  Garrus power up the Thanix cannon, we're disabling that thing and then we're boarding them."

They see you powering iup your guns and they get the hell out of their. Mission failed.

You do remember how long the power up takes in game?  By the time it's engines are back online... whoops already disabled.

[Seboist]

Another shot of "The Illusive Woman" (amongst other gender swaps)



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Modifié par Seboist, 06 décembre 2011 - 07:06 .

[TheWerdna]

Saphra Deden wrote...

StellarMagic wrote...

Shepard: "So the distress call is a fake... hmmm.  Garrus power up the Thanix cannon, we're disabling that thing and then we're boarding them."

They see you powering iup your guns and they get the hell out of their. Mission failed.

It took the collecter ship several minutes of power up after you discover its a trap. It was almost completely shut down to allow make it look like it was disabled. infact, the only reason Shepard and crew survive that trap is because the collector ship had to power up before doing anything, giving them ample time to escape (while fighting through collector forces)


i am sure the Thanix cannon can power up quicker then the (rather long) time it took for the collector ship to power up. So ya, StellarMagic's plan would have worked. The only reason I could see Shep and crew not trying this is at the time they had no idea if the Thanix cannon would even work on the Collector ship (The only reason we all know its so effective is due to the suicide mission)

edit: Whopes, my point had already been said

Modifié par TheWerdna, 30 juillet 2011 - 04:58 .

[CoronadoRose]

Seboist wrote...

work in progress by Velvetrue of "The Illusive Woman"



This is my femshep after she becomes Mrs.Harper and retires to TIM's kitchen and bedroom after the reaper war ^

Very pretty. OT, I like the finished ones she did of Miranda too.

I admit, I really hope TIM is an LI. He and my FemShep would be great together. But I'll settle with the option of being able to get him to work with us instead of against us.

[Seboist]

CoronadoRose wrote...

Seboist wrote...

work in progress by Velvetrue of "The Illusive Woman"



This is my femshep after she becomes Mrs.Harper and retires to TIM's kitchen and bedroom after the reaper war ^

Very pretty. OT, I like the finished ones she did of Miranda too.

I admit, I really hope TIM is an LI. He and my FemShep would be great together. But I'll settle with the option of being able to get him to work with us instead of against us.

One of my biggest wishes for ME3 is that he's a LI for femshep.  Pro-human Renegon/gade  femshep is really lacking in "renegade romances" like TIM and Zaeed (who I also want as a LI).

[CoronadoRose]

Seboist wrote...

CoronadoRose wrote...
I admit, I really hope TIM is an LI. He and my FemShep would be great together. But I'll settle with the option of being able to get him to work with us instead of against us.

One of my biggest wishes for ME3 is that he's a LI for femshep.  Pro-human Renegon/gade  femshep is really lacking in "renegade romances" like TIM and Zaeed (who I also want as a LI).

Yeah, I agree. Zaeed would be awesome as an LI too.