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[Kaiser Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Au contraire, ma cherie, true equality is but a fantasy.

Still, I don't understand how and why you went to "fighting for the dead", when I merely said that the dead are why deserve to rise.

The dead don't mean anything except a possible marker for what could happen in the future, and I don't believe that's sufficient reasoning to keep nonhumans down.

And that lack of empathy is exactly why you lack any morals. As for the aliens, they aren't kept down, but left behind in the unchanging staleness they wished to preserve in the first place.

[Dave of Canada]

Barquiel wrote...

At the moment we have four dominant races in council space. Yes...the council system is not perfect, but far better than domination of one species.

To the contrary, the current Council is heavily flawed and biased. Not saying the current human Council wouldn't be as biased, though they'd be far more productive and would give the non-Council races equal measure to everybody else which is far more than the current Council can say with it's Asari dominance.

Let's also not forget how the current Council vetos everything the human chairman is trying to accomplish and tells them to handle all their problems themselves, though would gladly help themselves.

[Xilizhra]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Au contraire, ma cherie, true equality is but a fantasy.

Still, I don't understand how and why you went to "fighting for the dead", when I merely said that the dead are why deserve to rise.

The dead don't mean anything except a possible marker for what could happen in the future, and I don't believe that's sufficient reasoning to keep nonhumans down.

And that lack of empathy is exactly why you lack any morals. As for the aliens, they aren't kept down, but left behind in the unchanging staleness they wished to preserve in the first place.

I have empathy for the living. Let the dead rest.

[Sebby]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

At the moment we have four dominant races in council space. Yes...the council system is not perfect, but far better than domination of one species.

To the contrary, the current Council is heavily flawed and biased. Not saying the current human Council wouldn't be as biased, though they'd be far more productive and would give the non-Council races equal measure to everybody else which is far more than the current Council can say with it's Asari dominance.

Let's also not forget how the current Council vetos everything the human chairman is trying to accomplish and tells them to handle all their problems themselves, though would gladly help themselves.

A new human council also presents an opportunity to reach out to non-citadel species who have had greviences against the previous council like the Quarians,Krogan and Batarians.

[Barquiel]

Dave of Canada wrote...

though they'd be far more productive and would give the non-Council races equal measure to everybody else which is far more than the current Council can say with it's Asari dominance.

We haven't seen this yet.

Dave of Canada wrote...

Let's also not forget how the current Council vetos everything the human chairman is trying to accomplish and tells them to handle all their problems themselves, though would gladly help themselves.

The asari-led council sends the STG to investigate the missing colonies. I think this is an appropriate reaction. These colonists settled outside council territory because they didn't like the alliance/council/... Why should the asari or turians send their fleets to protect them?

Modifié par Barquiel, 26 septembre 2011 - 05:23 .

[Xilizhra]

To be honest, I actually do think it'd be interesting to have some people be annoyed at Shepard for saving the Council aside from Kalisah, though I suspect she was their representative. But getting to talk to them would be interesting.

[Barquiel]

Xilizhra wrote...

To be honest, I actually do think it'd be interesting to have some people be annoyed at Shepard for saving the Council aside from Kalisah, though I suspect she was their representative. But getting to talk to them would be interesting.

I agree. But in ME2, we are mostly restricted to the Terminus systems and some unexplored systems. I guess it doesn't make a difference for the TS or Tuchanka if the council is asari-led or human-led.

Modifié par Barquiel, 26 septembre 2011 - 05:31 .

[Sebby]

Khalisah is just a troll who's looking for a tabloid story, she doesn't count as someone who's upset over Shepard sacrificing human lives to save the council.

[Xilizhra]

Barquiel wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

To be honest, I actually do think it'd be interesting to have some people be annoyed at Shepard for saving the Council aside from Kalisah, though I suspect she was their representative. But getting to talk to them would be interesting.

I agree. But in ME2, we are mostly restricted to the Terminus systems and some unexplored systems. I guess it doesn't make a difference for the TS or Tuchanka if the council is asari-led or human-led.

True, they'd probably be on the Citadel.

Khalisah is just a troll who's looking for a tabloid story, she doesn't count as someone who's upset over Shepard sacrificing human lives to save the council.

What exactly would you want to see?

[ladyvader]

al-Jilani is the worse type of reporter. Ambush style. I'm sure most paragons punched her out. My canon femShep hasn't, but if she see her again in ME3, who knows. She gets kicked by a volus, pushed by a krogan forearm. Those where the best vids on the SB base.

[Xilizhra]

ladyvader wrote...

al-Jilani is the worse type of reporter. Ambush style. I'm sure most paragons punched her out. My canon femShep hasn't, but if she see her again in ME3, who knows. She gets kicked by a volus, pushed by a krogan forearm. Those where the best vids on the SB base.

Personally, I think it was better to see her kissing an asari. However, my Shepard doesn't see her as worth punching out.

[Sebby]

Xilizhra wrote...

What exactly would you want to see?

An Alliance admiral (preferably Mikhailovich) complaining about the fleet being made militarily weaker and having a harder time patrolling the colonies and/or relative(s) of the servicemen killed on those ships being pissed at Shepard for being indirectly responsible for them losing their lives to save alien bureaucrats.

That would have been better than what we have now with a clown reporter that gives Shepard grief no what what she did or didn't do and the rainbows and bunnies kumbaya Paragon path.

[Xilizhra]

Seboist wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

What exactly would you want to see?

An Alliance admiral (preferably Mikhailovich) complaining about the fleet being made militarily weaker and having a harder time patrolling the colonies and/or relative(s) of the servicemen killed on those ships being pissed at Shepard for being indirectly responsible for them losing their lives to save alien bureaucrats.

That would have been better than what we have now with a clown reporter that gives Shepard grief no what what she did or didn't do and the rainbows and bunnies kumbaya Paragon path.

All well and good, so long as I can respond that I saved ten thousand others aside from the Council. Ultimately a net gain of 7600.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 26 septembre 2011 - 05:48 .

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

I have empathy for the living. Let the dead rest.

Ahh, I see. Well now I know exactly what it will take to win you over to our side.

What, kill everyone nonhuman?

[Kaiser Shepard]

I think I have a fairly good idea of what is to come...

[Sebby]

Xilizhra wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

What exactly would you want to see?

An Alliance admiral (preferably Mikhailovich) complaining about the fleet being made militarily weaker and having a harder time patrolling the colonies and/or relative(s) of the servicemen killed on those ships being pissed at Shepard for being indirectly responsible for them losing their lives to save alien bureaucrats.

That would have been better than what we have now with a clown reporter that gives Shepard grief no what what she did or didn't do and the rainbows and bunnies kumbaya Paragon path.

All well and good, so long as I can respond that I saved ten thousand others aside from the Council. Ultimately a net gain of 7600.

Of course, Shepard would have been able to explain herself or blow them off like with all the other cameos.

[Medhia Nox]

About the other races not contributing... what haven't they contributed exactly?

Your group - which you could not win without - is composed of every major race in the ME universe.

It's the typical LoTR's method of involving all races - but keeping a human perspective. It's a writing method - not a case for historical, philosophical, and political debate.

[JamieCOTC]

Apologies if this has been posted already.

"He's such a horrible man." Martin Sheen talks (briefly) about his return as The Illusive Man for ME3.

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 26 septembre 2011 - 07:04 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

About the other races not contributing... what haven't they contributed exactly?

It would be more productive to ask what they have contributed rather than what they haven't.

Quick thoughts, without the Turians, no Normandy... 

[Aeowyn]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

About the other races not contributing... what haven't they contributed exactly?

It would be more productive to ask what they have contributed rather than what they haven't.

Quick thoughts, without the Turians, no Normandy... 

Without Cerberus, the Normandy collaboration probably wouldn't have happened in the first place. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

Aeowyn wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

About the other races not contributing... what haven't they contributed exactly?

It would be more productive to ask what they have contributed rather than what they haven't.

Quick thoughts, without the Turians, no Normandy... 

Without Cerberus, the Normandy collaboration probably wouldn't have happened in the first place. 

I doubt that little aspect was added until sometime during the development of ME2. 

[Aeowyn]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

About the other races not contributing... what haven't they contributed exactly?

It would be more productive to ask what they have contributed rather than what they haven't.

Quick thoughts, without the Turians, no Normandy... 

Without Cerberus, the Normandy collaboration probably wouldn't have happened in the first place. 

I doubt that little aspect was added until sometime during the development of ME2. 

So you dismiss it because of that? (curious)

[Killjoy Cutter]

Aeowyn wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

About the other races not contributing... what haven't they contributed exactly?

It would be more productive to ask what they have contributed rather than what they haven't.

Quick thoughts, without the Turians, no Normandy... 

Without Cerberus, the Normandy collaboration probably wouldn't have happened in the first place. 

I doubt that little aspect was added until sometime during the development of ME2. 

So you dismiss it because of that? (curious)

Let's just say that I'd give Cerberus more credit for it if it had been part of the plan from the beginning... as opposed to something tacked on during ME2 development to make the orginization less pathetic after its sad sack showing in ME1.