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[Arokel]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

Without Cerberus, the Normandy collaboration probably wouldn't have happened in the first place. 

I find it unlikely the turians contributed anything important to the Normandy anyway. If they had they would own the ship or at least have a counterpart of it of their own. No such ship has ever been implied.

I don't think the Council/turians contributed much beyond easing the financial burden. Even so, Mikhailovic makes it clear the Alliance paid for most of it.

Honestly, what sense would it make for the Normandy to be a turian innovation? Turians aren't good innovators and a stealth ship doesn't serve the military doctrine very well. However it is perfect for the Alliance.

I wouldn't take Mikhailovic very seriously.  He didnt care for the Normandy project at all and would probably use anything he could to discredit it.  He also has issue with aliens.  Don't get me wrong I'm not an alien lover.  Earth should be part of the citadel community but ready to stand on its own if need be. 

Plus information is incredibly important no matter what your military doctrine.  The Turians might decide to use a cheaper, smaller class of ship with Normandy stealth tech. 




Please dont think im being harsh or rebuking you im just pointing out a counter-argument

[Xilizhra]

Why would the turians offer such a huge innovation to an foreign power?

The turians would like to keep humans as an ally after the rocky start to their relationship.

[Arokel]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Normandy-class ships are not cheap. They cost as much as a heavy cruiser. They also just don't serve the turians well. The turians don't do subtle action; instead they use overwhelming force. 

No they're not cheap.  Which is why I suggested that they may use a smaller and or cheaper scout class of ship that incorporates stealth tech from the project.  No matter what your military doctrine is information is invaluable. 

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Why would the turians offer such a huge innovation to an foreign power?

The turians would like to keep humans as an ally after the rocky start to their relationship.

That's not worth giving away stealth in space, especially to your chief rival.

In any case, incorporating the stealth into a smaller ship wouldn't save much money. It is the drive core and stealth system that drive up the price and you can't have one without the other.

The Alliance was probably already onto the stealth idea before they approached the turians. I figure the Hierarchy decided it didn't have anything to lose by giving out their hand to the project, getting both goodwill and an idea about the types of frigates the Alliance might be making in the future.

[Killjoy Cutter]

I wonder if the Turians built their own ship as part of the program...

[Killjoy Cutter]

I also wonder if TIM has gone completely around the bend, and thought he could let the Reapers pummel every other power, and then use some secret to destroy the Reapers once human dominance had been achieved...

[Arokel]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I also wonder if TIM has gone completely around the bend, and thought he could let the Reapers pummel every other power, and then use some secret to destroy the Reapers once human dominance had been achieved...

I woudln't put it past him.  He may (unlikely imo) have been indoctrinated to think this. 

I hope they do TIM justice in ME3.  He has so much potential to become a truly great villain.

[Medhia Nox]

@Arokel - oh, but silly little man - don't you know, he's humanities best hope - not a villain at all.

[Sebby]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Arokel - oh, but silly little man - don't you know, he's humanities best hope - not a villain at all.

True, he saved humanity from the Collectors in ME2.

[Arokel]

Seboist wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Arokel - oh, but silly little man - don't you know, he's humanities best hope - not a villain at all.

True, he saved humanity from the Collectors in ME2.

Good point.  Without him Shepard wouldn't have been able to do it.  Hell, he would be dead.

I still dont trust him though.  And my mainshep will have revenge for Akuze.

[Arokel]

laecraft wrote...

Revenge for Akuze? That doesn't sound like something a true Paragon would say. Fighting for the dead is meaningless. Let the dead rest. Let's fight for the living.

Not a paragon.  Paragade with a big renegade streak.  Paragon for big choices though (save council, destroy base)

Like I have said before TIM has great potential.  He could be a great adversary, or ally to some if done right.

[Dave of Canada]

Arokel wrote...

I woudln't put it past him.  He may (unlikely imo) have been indoctrinated to think this. 

How would he be indoctrinated if he never leaves the station?

[Arokel]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Arokel wrote...

I woudln't put it past him.  He may (unlikely imo) have been indoctrinated to think this. 

How would he be indoctrinated if he never leaves the station?

I dont know.  He may been indoctrinated the whole time.  Like a sleeper agent.  Like I said I dont think he is.  I was putting it forward as a possibility.

[Xilizhra]

laecraft wrote...

Revenge for Akuze? That doesn't sound like something a true Paragon would say. Fighting for the dead is meaningless. Let the dead rest. Let's fight for the living.

If I was a Sole Survivor, I wouldn't say "revenge for Akuze" so much as "trying to make sure that nothing like Akuze happens again." But I'm not a Sole Survivor, which is good because then I'm not inexplicably deprived of the ability to comment on it.

[Xilizhra]

Seboist, I have a song you might like, probably sung by your own Shepard: I'm Your Moon, by Jonathan Coulton.

[General User]

laecraft wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

laecraft wrote...

Revenge for Akuze? That doesn't sound like something a true Paragon would say. Fighting for the dead is meaningless. Let the dead rest. Let's fight for the living.

If I was a Sole Survivor, I wouldn't say "revenge for Akuze" so much as "trying to make sure that nothing like Akuze happens again." But I'm not a Sole Survivor, which is good because then I'm not inexplicably deprived of the ability to comment on it.

EDIT: I used an abstract example, without thinking, as usual. Here's a more realistic one:

Since the Council left human colonies in Terminus Systems to be destroyed, wouldn't it be prudent to replace the Council with a human ruler, to make sure that it never happens again, and that human colonies will never be abandoned by the galaxy again?

Humans aren't exactly morally perfect beings.  Replacing a multi-racial cabal of greedy, self-interested, plutocrats with cabal of greedy, self-interested, plutocrats largely from a single race isn't much of a change.

[Kaiser Shepard]

General User wrote...

Humans aren't exactly morally perfect beings.  Replacing a multi-racial cabal of greedy, self-interested, plutocrats with cabal of greedy, self-interested, plutocrats largely from a single race isn't much of a change.

I am, hence the obvious solution is to let me rule the galaxy.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 27 septembre 2011 - 12:53 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Arokel wrote...

I woudln't put it past him.  He may (unlikely imo) have been indoctrinated to think this. 

How would he be indoctrinated if he never leaves the station?

From what I've gathered about his backstory, it's possible that was indoctrinated back before he ever had that station. 

Modifié par Killjoy Cutter, 27 septembre 2011 - 01:00 .

[Barquiel]

laecraft wrote...
It is interesting to see the same person who condemns TIM for limiting his loyalty to only one species justify the Council for limiting its loyalty by territory. Being loyal to territory instead of a species is the most ridiculous thing ever. It should be left far behind in the ancient, primitive past. Shed that restricting provincialism.

You ignore the fact that the asari-led council sends the STG to investigate the situation. They don't ignore the problem. But why should the asari/turians/salarians send ships if all the alliance does is send the VS and some crappy cannons?  I mean what do you expect?
Humans colonize every planet they can find (council space or not)...What? We don't have enough ships to defend all these colonies? - Who cares?...We just call the turians or the asari if we have a problem!

I'm glad the council is not that stupid!

laecraft wrote...
Open your mind to the universe.

I did....I romance an asari

laecraft wrote...
When you make sweeping statements like this, please specify. Better for whom?

council space