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[SandTrout]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I doubt that a human emigrating to the Asari Repuiblics would ever become a full citizen there. Even a human born there. The same with any species moving anywhere beyond their own space.

This is likely true, as most modern nations do not extend citizenship on a birthright basis. Most require at least one of your parents to be a citizen, and/or your spouse.

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I believe you are the short-sighted fool in this case, Xilizhra.

I doubt that a human emigrating to the Asari Repuiblics would ever become a full citizen there. Even a human born there. The same with any species moving anywhere beyond their own space.

Then that's a policy that I feel needs changing. It's unnecessarily divisive. But I was more talking about the Terra Firma/Cerberus reaction.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

Of course, a factor you're missing is that none of the ones I mentioned are all about racial supremacy, which is what Terra Firma and Cerberus both espouse. Is it wrong that we haven't met nonhuman supremacists (other than, um, Saren... and Joram Talid... neither of whom were sympathetic in the slightest...)? Perhaps. But it's not wrong to decry the human ones.

As if none of the aliens on the Citadel aren't constantly complaining about humanity not having to sit in the back of the bus anymore. Or rising "too fast", as they used to say back in 2183.

Saphra Deden wrote...

I believe you are the short-sighted fool in this case, Xilizhra.

"In this case" was an unnecessary addition to your post; she's always short-sighted when it comes to people who aren't like her.

[Xilizhra]

As if none of the aliens on the Citadel aren't constantly complaining about humanity not having to sit in the back of the bus anymore. Or rising "too fast", as they used to say back in 2183.

As a political force. Only a few of the explicitly nasty ones extended it to the entire species.

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Then that's a policy that I feel needs changing. It's unnecessarily divisive. But I was more talking about the Terra Firma/Cerberus reaction.

It is not unnecessarily divisive. Species is a legitimate distinction with which to divide and classify organisms. Humans and asari are not the same species. Nor are humans and turians, or humans and elephants.

But separating them like this causes problems like, well, the current Council arrangement.

[Xilizhra]

Selfless species which advance the needs of organisms they can't even breed with don't survive long.

What proof do we have of this? I think that the only possible species that could do that are sapient ones, and humans haven't had much contact with others to test that principle. I see no reason why we can't all meld into an interdependent circle and all advance each other.

If it fails, then there's always Plan B, which is to have the asari outbreed every other species into extinction but use melding to absorb their important cultural memories and suchlike, to preserve the essence of their existence, which if you're right, is the most harmonious possible outcome with the most preservation and least killing.

[Xilizhra]

Simulations have been run with programmed "fish" in a computer. Some fish were programmed to be selfless, always helping others and being unaggressive. These fish always eventually were wiped out.

Other fish were the opposite, and they survived.

The dominant fish however were in the middle. They weren't overly aggressive but got what they needed.

This is an imperfection in the universe. It will be corrected.

...and you said I was worse than the Reapers.

Really? I thought I said you were only just as bad. And, y'know, you're a collaborator, so you kinda had that coming.

[Labrev]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

 Blame my philosophy class.

Oooh, he's taken a philosophy class.

Watch out, people. This guy is serious. He's all philosophical and ****.

No, haven't taken one. AM taking one, currently. And I'm with Socrates on this one, life is overrated.


And no need to watch out, people. I'm not going for serious, philosophical, or ****. Just offering another view on the same thing.

[Xilizhra]

Uh huh. Are you going to rewrite the laws of physics while you're at it?

If possible. Entropy in particular is a nuisance.

I only support collaboration if there is no other choice. Otherwise my platform is one of technological proliferation. That technology being based on the Reapers. I don't see any reason it would exclude any race. I just want humans at the forefront of it.

It's good, but I feel changing racial mindsets is more important.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If it fails, then there's always Plan B, which is to have the asari outbreed every other species into extinction but use melding to absorb their important cultural memories and suchlike, to preserve the essence of their existence, which if you're right, is the most harmonious possible outcome with the most preservation and least killing.

...and you said I was worse than the Reapers.

What's even funnier is that she's totally serious, and doesn't appear to see the evil in her little plan.

[Sebby]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If it fails, then there's always Plan B, which is to have the asari outbreed every other species into extinction but use melding to absorb their important cultural memories and suchlike, to preserve the essence of their existence, which if you're right, is the most harmonious possible outcome with the most preservation and least killing.

...and you said I was worse than the Reapers.

What's even funnier is that she's totally serious, and doesn't appear to see the evil in her little plan.

Xilizhra like Something With Mass does a good job of making the Paragon side look bad.

[Xilizhra]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If it fails, then there's always Plan B, which is to have the asari outbreed every other species into extinction but use melding to absorb their important cultural memories and suchlike, to preserve the essence of their existence, which if you're right, is the most harmonious possible outcome with the most preservation and least killing.

...and you said I was worse than the Reapers.

What's even funnier is that she's totally serious, and doesn't appear to see the evil in her little plan.

The flaw in that plan is that it only works if everyone is willing, so it's not really a plan so much as a vague hope.

[MisterJB]

Xilizhra wrote...
If it fails, then there's always Plan B, which is to have the asari outbreed every other species into extinction but use melding to absorb their important cultural memories and suchlike, to preserve the essence of their existence, which if you're right, is the most harmonious possible outcome with the most preservation and least killing.

Harbinger, is that you?

[Sebby]

MisterJB wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
If it fails, then there's always Plan B, which is to have the asari outbreed every other species into extinction but use melding to absorb their important cultural memories and suchlike, to preserve the essence of their existence, which if you're right, is the most harmonious possible outcome with the most preservation and least killing.

Harbinger, is that you?

Nah, Harbinger sees the Asari as worthless parasites.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If it fails, then there's always Plan B, which is to have the asari outbreed every other species into extinction but use melding to absorb their important cultural memories and suchlike, to preserve the essence of their existence, which if you're right, is the most harmonious possible outcome with the most preservation and least killing.

...and you said I was worse than the Reapers.

What's even funnier is that she's totally serious, and doesn't appear to see the evil in her little plan.

The flaw in that plan is that it only works if everyone is willing, so it's not really a plan so much as a vague hope.

That usually is the case with fascism, yeah; you need the majority on your side to make it work.

[Dave of Canada]

Xilizhra wrote...

If it fails, then there's always Plan B, which is to have the asari outbreed every other species into extinction but use melding to absorb their important cultural memories and suchlike, to preserve the essence of their existence, which if you're right, is the most harmonious possible outcome with the most preservation and least killing.

This is probably why Thessia is getting fed to the Reapers if I have the choice and I can't potentially save everybody, in addition to Asari being mostly useless and being able to survive due to their long lives. They need a good culling, too.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 01 octobre 2011 - 03:32 .

[Sebby]

TIM, femshep and Miranda comic.



TIM : and who's the "whom"?

Miranda: Zaeed <3

Link

Modifié par Seboist, 07 décembre 2011 - 10:49 .

[Xilizhra]

...so the truth comes out at last. Your plan C involves Ardat-Yakshi wiping out all the species and consuming all their essence, the genetic legacy of the asari coming into full fruition, so that the asari are the only ones to inherit the galaxy.

Ardat-Yakshi are sterile and unable to transfer memories to anyone else. This makes no sense.

The lesson here, my brethren: this is why, before allying with any of the species, and especially before sacrificing your own people to save that species, you need to thoroughly question that species' vision of the future of the galaxy. Because that future might not involve you.

According to Saphra, no species' vision of the future contains other species. If that's the way the universe works, all I can do is find the single best species.