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Seboist wrote...

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Ah Seboist, even paragons can choose to kill the Council and support the Illusive Man. Just like renegades can hate Cerberus and spare people.


I wish we didn't have to choose between feeling warm and fuzzy (Paragon) vs trolling for the lulz (Renegade) but that ship has long since sailed. ME isn't about making hard decision sadly.


I don't know, ME2 seemed more like an....intercession (do I even have that word correct?) before the actual climax. Since the story is all around the fight with Reapers, we were sort of stuck with an elaborate waiting period until events take a sleigh ride into the actual hell. They keep promising that ME3 will be the worst, and I'm still holding out for that if Arrival was any hint. Must be more renegade than I thought. I don't even regret shooting Kenson.

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Seboist wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Something along the lines of "Take pictures!"


That's not exactly my cup of tea,especially with a blood sister with an enemy. :o

Given that I've learned Reave, I may be able to introduce her to certain... perks of the asari whilst still remaining human enough for comfort.

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Xilizhra wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Something along the lines of "Take pictures!"


That's not exactly my cup of tea,especially with a blood sister with an enemy. :o

Given that I've learned Reave, I may be able to introduce her to certain... perks of the asari whilst still remaining human enough for comfort.


This conversation has gotten downright disturbing....*shudders* :sick:

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Xilizhra wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Something along the lines of "Take pictures!"


That's not exactly my cup of tea,especially with a blood sister with an enemy. :o

Given that I've learned Reave, I may be able to introduce her to certain... perks of the asari whilst still remaining human enough for comfort.

Strange, I always figured you were more of a Dominate kind of girl.

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Seboist wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Something along the lines of "Take pictures!"


That's not exactly my cup of tea,especially with a blood sister with an enemy. :o

Given that I've learned Reave, I may be able to introduce her to certain... perks of the asari whilst still remaining human enough for comfort.


This conversation has gotten downright disturbing....*shudders* :sick:

TIM may be many things, but he still can't lead anyone else into embracing eternity.

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Something along the lines of "Take pictures!"


That's not exactly my cup of tea,especially with a blood sister with an enemy. :o

Given that I've learned Reave, I may be able to introduce her to certain... perks of the asari whilst still remaining human enough for comfort.

Strange, I always figured you were more of a Dominate kind of girl.


My femsheps are human dominated type of girls when it comes to being romanced by TIM. <3

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Seboist wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Something along the lines of "Take pictures!"


That's not exactly my cup of tea,especially with a blood sister with an enemy. :o

Given that I've learned Reave, I may be able to introduce her to certain... perks of the asari whilst still remaining human enough for comfort.

Strange, I always figured you were more of a Dominate kind of girl.


My femsheps are human dominated type of girls when it comes to being romanced by TIM. <3

Well, Kaiser has a point; I'm sure I could bring them under other kinds of domination...

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Xilizhra wrote...

Well, Kaiser has a point; I'm sure I could bring them under other kinds of domination...


My femsheps don't like Asari. They like Illusive men with blue cybnernetic eyes, black suits, space stations and a bank account full with billions of credits.

Out of luck there missy.

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Seboist wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, Kaiser has a point; I'm sure I could bring them under other kinds of domination...


My femsheps don't like Asari. They like Illusive men with blue cybnernetic eyes, black suits, space stations and a bank account full with billions of credits.

Out of luck there missy.

For now. You'd be amazed at what can change priorities...

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Xilizhra wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, Kaiser has a point; I'm sure I could bring them under other kinds of domination...


My femsheps don't like Asari. They like Illusive men with blue cybnernetic eyes, black suits, space stations and a bank account full with billions of credits.

Out of luck there missy.

For now. You'd be amazed at what can change priorities...

Just out of curiosity: what can?

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Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, Kaiser has a point; I'm sure I could bring them under other kinds of domination...


My femsheps don't like Asari. They like Illusive men with blue cybnernetic eyes, black suits, space stations and a bank account full with billions of credits.

Out of luck there missy.

For now. You'd be amazed at what can change priorities...

Just out of curiosity: what can?

You're the one who brought up Dominate.

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Not the answer I was looking for, but oh well.

Guess I'll try to get some shuteye now, as it's already getting light over here. Cheers!

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I'm laughing myself silly reading this thread. Now I want to contribute something to the discussion. The foe yay trope seems pretty popular here, so I asked my Shepards how they feel about it.

My Sheploo pointed out that the enemy will stab you in the back if you let them too close. The fate of the galaxy is at stake, so he can't take risks. Also he says that he has too many enemies and not enough allies to prefer the former to the latter. He enjoys lighthearted trysts with the allies he can trust. After someone does a thorough background check on their past and their political views.

(He's a tad cautious after the people he thought he knew changed beyond recognition during the two years of his absence, and it turns out that he doesn't know them at all. So he never assumes that he knows a person now. Recon first, hugging later. Maybe it's cold, but it beats looking like an idiot by greeting someone warmly and getting a bullet in response.)

He also pointed me to the rule of Evil Overlord: "No matter how attractive certain members of the rebellion are, there is probably someone just as attractive who is not desperate to kill me. Therefore, I will think twice before ordering a prisoner sent to my bedchamber."

My Femshep got misty-eyed when I brought this up. TIM is the only "foe" she's interested in. She still refuses to believe that TIM is now the enemy. She keeps blabbering something about the Reapers - bah, it's going to get her killed, I just know it. She needs to get her priorities straight and stop being so focused on the Reapers - ME3 makes it clear that Cerberus is a bigger threat. However, she has no problem with gunning down VS doppelganger, should it come to this.

On the topic - one of the things I find most attractive about TIM is support. TIM is Shepard's only true ally against the Reapers. It's tragic that it had to change.

Modifié par laecraft, 12 octobre 2011 - 01:26 .


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On the topic - one of the things I find most attractive about TIM is support. TIM is Shepard's only true ally against the Reapers. It's tragic that it had to change.

Not Liara? Not Wrex? Not the squad in general? And the Reapers aren't even here yet; you don't know who your true allies aren't.

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I think what makes TIM superior to any particular squad member in terms of opposing the Reapers is that TIM's contribution is singular. You could take any particular squadmate, or even a number of squadmates, out of the mix and Shepard can still accomplish the mission. But, without TIM, there's no way the Collectors could have been stopped as relatively easily as they were.

I'm not saying that no one else could possibly do TIM's job. Just that he was the man on the spot when everything went down. He was in a position to act, and act he did. Not only did TIM have the courage to act, but he had the intelligence to choose the correct course of action.

Whether you agree with all his decisions or not, it is unequivocal the TIM has been instrumental in fighting the Reapers so far. Apart from Shepard, and probably Admirals Hackett and Anderson, I'm not sure who else you can say that about.

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laecraft wrote...

On the topic - one of the things I find most attractive about TIM is support. TIM is Shepard's only true ally against the Reapers. It's tragic that it had to change.


Absolutely not. Cerberus and TIM are pretty bad. I can't wait to face off against Cerberus in ME3. In ME2, TIM brought Shepard back from the dead. In ME3, Shepard is gonna have put one in the back of his head.B)

Modifié par Ravensword, 12 octobre 2011 - 02:39 .


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Whether you agree with all his decisions or not, it is unequivocal the TIM has been instrumental in fighting the Reapers so far. Apart from Shepard, and probably Admirals Hackett and Anderson, I'm not sure who else you can say that about.

Liara.

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Xilizhra wrote...

Whether you agree with all his decisions or not, it is unequivocal the TIM has been instrumental in fighting the Reapers so far. Apart from Shepard, and probably Admirals Hackett and Anderson, I'm not sure who else you can say that about.

Liara.

That was accidental. The Reaper War wasn't in Liara's mind when she stole Shepard's corpse from the SB and gave it to Cerberus. She did it because she couldn't let him go. BTW; this, too, comes back to TIM: without his decision to make the attempt to bring Shepard back, Liara wouldn't have done it, and even had she, it would have come to nothing.

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You must mean in ME1.

Liara was more like Joker. She was the best person for her job, and did her job better than anyone could have reasonably expected of her.

But comparing Liara's being able to successfully recognize prothean landmarks while mind-melding with Shepard to TIM planning and conducting a complex and successful counter-Reaper campaign over the course of several years is not a fair comparison.

Modifié par General User, 12 octobre 2011 - 03:43 .


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That was accidental. The Reaper War wasn't in Liara's mind when she stole Shepard's corpse from the SB and gave it to Cerberus. She did it because she couldn't let him go. BTW; this, too, comes back to TIM: without his decision to make the attempt to bring Shepard back, Liara wouldn't have done it, and even had she, it would have come to nothing.

And without Liara, TIM's plan would never have come to anything either.

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Xilizhra wrote...

That was accidental. The Reaper War wasn't in Liara's mind when she stole Shepard's corpse from the SB and gave it to Cerberus. She did it because she couldn't let him go. BTW; this, too, comes back to TIM: without his decision to make the attempt to bring Shepard back, Liara wouldn't have done it, and even had she, it would have come to nothing.

And without Liara, TIM's plan would never have come to anything either.

Liara was mostly just a mere plan in a much grander scheme; if she hadn't played the role she did, someone else would have. Granted, the playing field seems to be equalled right now, but still.

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But her actions still weren't motivated by the war. Look, I think TIM's scum, but he's scum deeply concerned with the war effort as it pertains to humanity.

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But her actions still weren't motivated by the war. Look, I think TIM's scum, but he's scum deeply concerned with the war effort as it pertains to humanity.

Irrelevant. They were still vital. It's true that there was nothing inherent about Liara that made her necessary for this; another could have done the same with similar circumstances. However, this is also the case for TIM; he was exposed by luck to the knowledge of the Reapers before most others were.

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The difference is one of scale, you simply can't compare being a central player in a few key operations to being the architect behind the entire campaign.

The only reason even Shepard's contributions are even worthy of being mentioned alongside TIM's is because Shepard was the frontline tactical leader on every key counter-Reaper op of the last three years.  And arguably the architect behind Sovreign's defeat.

Modifié par General User, 12 octobre 2011 - 04:12 .


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Oops.  Double post.

Modifié par General User, 12 octobre 2011 - 04:10 .