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[NOD-INFORMER37]

illusive mans son "Charles" should be in ME3, there'd be a side mission where you find him and get him off drugs to join your squad and then get him to convince T.I.M to chill. :]

His catchline in battle would be "Winning!" :3

[GodWood]

Ravensword wrote...
That's some of the reasons. i don't like to think of it as murder though.

You crazy.

Xilizhra wrote...
For my own thoughts, I have no intention of murdering anyone. But it seems he's attacked me, and I'll defend myself to the best of my ability.

There's no need to hide your true reasons Xil.
TIM's a threat to your asari supremacy and thus must be eliminated.

It's a disgusting mindset but I understand it.

[Ravensword]

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

illusive mans son "Charles" should be in ME3, there'd be a side mission where you find him and get him off drugs to join your squad and then get him to convince T.I.M to chill. :]

His catchline in battle would be "Winning!" :3

Are you talking about Carlos Estevez?

[NOD-INFORMER37]

Ravensword wrote...

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

illusive mans son "Charles" should be in ME3, there'd be a side mission where you find him and get him off drugs to join your squad and then get him to convince T.I.M to chill. :]

His catchline in battle would be "Winning!" :3

Are you talking about Carlos Estevez?

Nope

[Sebby]

Ravensword wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Oh, I see how it is. You guys are dedicated Renegades and are therefore biased. TIM is your god.

Father Harper as a Lumen Sage is a messenger for the creator Jubileus.

If you join our religion then Jubileus might grace you too.

What? You're gonna have to fill me in on that stuff.

You need to purchase the educational software "Bayonetta". It'll fill you in on our faith.

[Ravensword]

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

illusive mans son "Charles" should be in ME3, there'd be a side mission where you find him and get him off drugs to join your squad and then get him to convince T.I.M to chill. :]

His catchline in battle would be "Winning!" :3

Are you talking about Carlos Estevez?

Nope

I'm pretty sure is real name is Carlos Estevez.

[Ravensword]

Seboist wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Oh, I see how it is. You guys are dedicated Renegades and are therefore biased. TIM is your god.

Father Harper as a Lumen Sage is a messenger for the creator Jubileus.

If you join our religion then Jubileus might grace you too.

What? You're gonna have to fill me in on that stuff.

You need to purchase the educational software "Bayonetta". It'll fill you in on our faith.

Well, thank you very much. I might jst go do that or simply watch and LP on youtube.

Well, l'll leave the rest of you to it.

[PMC65]

Not sure if this was shared ... Martin Sheen on T.I.M.

http://mapanim.blogs...turn-as_14.html

You know that he has to love voicing the character and pretending to smoke.

[Labrev]

TIM never betrayed me yet, and I see no reason why it should happen in the future.

Because everyone disposes of you when you're no longer of value to them. The council did it. The Alliance did it. Hell, the old council will go as far as make threats against you if you reject their symbolic Spectre-status offer.

Besides which, the warnings from NPCs that "Cerberus betrays its allies" were countless throughout the game. He has the power to send you into a trap without your knowledge. That EDI figured out what he did was just inconvenient. You think he'd have told you after the mission that he knew the Collectors set the ship as a trap? He didn't tell you that he set Horizon to get hit until a slip-of-the-tongue on his part saying "we'll have to find another way to lure them in," which he only explains if you pick up on it. Again, after the mission. And that's just when he's on your side.

Your partnership w/ Cerberus and the squad is a coalition force - loosely united under one goal (fighting the Collectors, protecting humanity). And coalitions historically do not last long because again, they are loose in nature. Once differences arise, even surrounding the same idea that unites them, the coalition will fall apart.

Hmm, I don't know, how about a media? Khalisah Al-Jilani will listen to any controversial news. How about confirming Shepard's words about the Reaper while the Alliance and the Council were trying to discredit them? How about defending Shepard's name, how about investigating the colonies, how about asking Udina and Anderson what the hell?

What makes you think any of that would matter? Shepard himself can try those things in the game. To no avail. It's not even that the council/Alliance don't believe it, it's that they don't want to. At which point, why should they continue to bang their head against the wall?

No, it doesn't. The Reapers are coming, and we're all going to die. Those who knew about the Reapers could not - had no right to - ignore the news about entire freaking human colonies disappearing without a trace. The Earth should have revolted against the Alliance and composed its own fleet to save its children.

Why not? We ingore all sorts of atrocities being committed around the globe today, what to say of it we lived in a galactic community with numerous colonies on other planets. We have our own problems, and often times we don't hear about those things anyway. In the years before the Reapers show up, the old squad needs to eat and put a roof over their heads. And the Collector threat was not even common-knowledge anyway.

According to TIM, the human colony abductions are being carried out randomly and to populations that are not overly big. It's been under-the-radar, and in Terminus space where (1) the Council has no jurisdiction (2) the Alliance has no jurisdiction (3) there is a constant threat of slavers/pirates/raiders, making those the logical conclusions behind the abductions.

The VS for sure didn't know it. And when he/she was tipped - from the Alliance - what was up with the abductions, they acted in an "outreach" program to investigate. Admittedly, it was to investigate Cerberus and possibly Shepard, but ultimately, for the culprit behind the abductions all the same. And that the VS becomes a Spectre in ME3 points to the possibility that the Council wanted it checked-out as well.

Wrex probably doesn't know. Garrus didn't seem to know either until you debrief him.

That leaves Liara and Tali, and both know of your mission. And guess what? Neither of them drop everything and join you. Just as you wouldn't abandon all your commitments to join up with your best friend no matter how important their business is. Tali sees to her own things first. Liara does not join because she has debts to pay and other committments.

Let's say she does leave everything behind and joins, helps, and survives the suicide-mission. Awesome, great, we saved the galaxy once again! Now what? Liara goes back to work. Again, eat/roof-over-head deal, basic needs. Now pickup the phone, you have 74932 unheard messages: debtors are wondering "where the **** have you been? you've got bills to pay back!!" Now your credit has been sent to hell because you were gone for some inexplicable reason. Your clients were expecting to hear from you, now they've moved on to other brokers - there goes your income. Oh yeah, and Illium is just Omega with fancy shoes, so say "hi" to the debt-collectors (read: krogan thugs) sent your way.

Sorry Shepard, but you'll have to fight the good fight for me this time. And yes, it's completely understandable.

The same way, other races will not drop everything and join you to fight the Reapers when they arrive, they have to think about what happens next. Saying that "there won't be a next time!" doesn't work, everyone has to know that they're not fighting for nothing in the end. If the aftermath of surviving the Reaper war is becoming the ******-pot to all other species in the galaxy, then continued existance is not even be worth it!

By the way, the Alliance does take steps against the Collectors after the link has been made after Horizon. Hackett will say that they've evacuated people from colonies in response to the attacks, post-Arrival/pre-Suicide-Mission.

TIM's the only one who helps humanity without asking anything in return.

Well yeah, that's his goal. He's getting what he wants - to strengthen humanity. Which he benefits from as well anyway.

Exactly, it's should be an equal exchange. Then why does the Alliance ask Shepard to do everything unconditionally, without offering anything in return, except accusations and condemnations? TIM's the only one who's been supporting me and standing by me. The Alliance just called me names and wanted to arrest me. And now they're suddenly pals, because they want favours. Don't you hate it when it happens?

Well he's getting the ship back. No clue why or how they got it or why Shep will have it back, but nonetheless. That counts for something. A ship that Mikhailovic was cleared PO'd about not having in his own fleet, now upgraded. They don't have to do it, but they are, which is huge IMO.

Do I hate it? No, I get it. I don't expect to be helped for nothing in return. I get why they weren't there to help me, and I said fine, just don't expect anything from me now. Meanwhile, I worked for their enemy and brought publicity to that, which I'd expect to cause a major PR disaster on their end. But that's not my problem.

Meanwhile, I also get that TIM will only smile and offer me support for as long as I'm valuable to him, and will stop supporting me just as quickly once I'm no longer suiting his wants. I saw that when I opted not to keep the 'base. At that point, he tries to pull the "look at everything I've done for you"-card. So much for unconditional support. Besides which, the whole point of keeping the base is to fight the Reapers, not doing him a favor. That just tells you where his priorities really are (and now, so much for his selfless service to the human race).

Whatever help I get from the Alliance will be welcome, whatever I don't is fine. Same with Cerberus too (I should doubt they feel much inclined to do so).

Modifié par Hah Yes Reapers, 13 octobre 2011 - 06:18 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Ravensword wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

Oh, I see how it is. You guys are dedicated Renegades and are therefore biased. TIM is your god.

Father Harper as a Lumen Sage is a messenger for the creator Jubileus.

If you join our religion then Jubileus might grace you too.

What? You're gonna have to fill me in on that stuff.

You need to purchase the educational software "Bayonetta". It'll fill you in on our faith.

Well, thank you very much. I might jst go do that or simply watch and LP on youtube.

Well, l'll leave the rest of you to it.

Trust me, just watching a playthrough does not do the madness that is that game any justice.

Your profile says you have a PS3, so I suggest you first download the demo available there to get a hang of it.

[Xilizhra]

Wait, whose vision do you want? Hudson's or Walters'?

[Kaiser Shepard]

Neither, L'Etoille and Karpyshyn is where it's at.

[flemm]

laecraft wrote...
The executive producer, not the lead writer, decides who the character would be. I suppose the lesson here is that game writing is not like novel writing, and where the crucial characters are involved, the creator's vision is going to be inevitably compromised.

It sounds like he's talking about Hudson's original vision for who the character "would be" going into ME2, so I'm not sure that this means anything at all, really, where TIM's direction in ME3 is concerned.

[Sebby]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Neither, L'Etoille and Karpyshyn is where it's at.

Things might even be WORSE for renegades if Drew "I'm shocked people think TIM has the right idea" Karpyshyn was still around.

[Sebby]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I don't know, Drew was a pretty damn good writer. I loved his Mass Effect novels. He did a nice job with TIM in Retribution too.

I also liked the way he portrayed the Council in Revelation.

He wrote Liara, never forget that!

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Liara was fine until they made that comic and I don't think Drew wrote that.

She was fine after the comic too. The only problem with personality shifts and the like was the comic making it happen too early.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Probably Hudson's, but we'll see.

Personally, my hopes are set on Avellone and whatever he might create next. At least that man knows what a good story and gray moralities really are, as well as how choice/consequence in rpgs should be executed.

Oh well, I still have New Vegas left, and Human Revolution probably being delivered tomorrow, so I've got more than enough ethical dilemmas for now.

Edit: Oh, and I'm currently still playing BioShock 2. Do I rescue the Little Sisters, or do I harvest them? I can never tell.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 14 octobre 2011 - 01:45 .

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

She was fine after the comic too. The only problem with personality shifts and the like was the comic making it happen too early.

Uh, no, Xilizhra. She was garbage in the comic and she was garbage in ME2 and in LOTSB. I should say, "Liara" in ME2 is decent enough character, but the problem is she has no relation besides looks, name, and voice to the Liara in ME1. She's like... a twin who has a totally different personality, outlook, and over all temperment.

It's garbage. Bioware knew it too. That's why they wound up cutting a lot of her plot for ME2 release. They didn't know what to do with her. Bioware was convinced that Liara should be a main character in the trilogy even though they never wrote her that way. She was important in ME1 but she should have had hardly a role at all in ME2 (certainly not the travesty to her character that was LOTSB), perhaps with a support role in ME3.

It would appear that our opinion of the matter differs. Ah well.

[Sebby]

What plot of hers was cut out?