Ce sujet est ferméIrrelevant, even if it was true, which I rather doubt. I'm not going to destroy or undermine their society, nor will I tolerate attempts from Cerberus or anyone else to do so. And the same applies to other species as well (though despite unsettlingly racism-reminiscent statements to the contrary, asari mating with those of other species doesn't count).And yet those idiots did exactly what was expected of them, for a whole two millennia no less. Then again, that also perfectly describes an individual asari's life; admirably long, but in the end totally wasted on mere futilities.
Brotherhood of Cerberus - The Illusive Man Discussion/Support Thread
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Posté 14 octobre 2011 - 11:13
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Posté 14 octobre 2011 - 11:19
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Their culture lacks purpose and direction.Barquiel wrote...
What's wrong with the status quo? The asari government is a utopian republic. There's really no reason to change anything.
All the average asari will do is **** around for a few centuries, pump out some kids and then repeat the same political bullcrap in their twilight years.
There's no community and desire to work for the betterment for all. Only hedonistic individualists living for themselves.
The turian hierarchy is much better.
You know it does.Xilizhra wrote...
And the same applies to other species as well (though despite unsettlingly racism-reminiscent statements to the contrary, asari mating with those of other species doesn't count).
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Posté 14 octobre 2011 - 11:20
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Ah yes, "it's not [enter bad word here] when we do it". I'm glad you felt the need to bring it up yourself, as that only further illustrates your uncertainty on the subject.Xilizhra wrote...
Irrelevant, even if it was true, which I rather doubt. I'm not going to destroy or undermine their society, nor will I tolerate attempts from Cerberus or anyone else to do so. And the same applies to other species as well (though despite unsettlingly racism-reminiscent statements to the contrary, asari mating with those of other species doesn't count).And yet those idiots did exactly what was expected of them, for a whole two millennia no less. Then again, that also perfectly describes an individual asari's life; admirably long, but in the end totally wasted on mere futilities.
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Posté 14 octobre 2011 - 11:24
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Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Everything.Barquiel wrote...
What's wrong with the status quo?How is it a utopia, when the intention behind it is the same that will ultimately lead to its fall?The asari government is a utopian republic. There's really no reason to change anything.
They can't have done everything wrong. The asari organized the single largest and most stable government in the galaxy. They are the most widespread and have the largest economy.
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Posté 14 octobre 2011 - 11:28
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No, they have indeed done everything right, at least according to the Reapers' specifications.Barquiel wrote...
Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Everything.Barquiel wrote...
What's wrong with the status quo?How is it a utopia, when the intention behind it is the same that will ultimately lead to its fall?The asari government is a utopian republic. There's really no reason to change anything.
They can't have done everything wrong. The asari organized the single largest and most stable government in the galaxy. They are the most widespread and have the largest economy.
Aside from that, their only real "accomplishment" is being the first to reach the Citadel this cycle. And said economy is only there because of the volus.
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Posté 14 octobre 2011 - 11:32
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I know you think it does. That means nothing at all to me or to reality.You know it does.
Right; so, you're comparing individual bondmating with, let me see, "each of which should be sterilised, interned and/or eliminated." Cerberus' backbone, you are.Ah yes, "it's not [enter bad word here] when we do it". I'm glad you felt the need to bring it up yourself, as that only further illustrates your uncertainty on the subject.
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Posté 14 octobre 2011 - 11:36
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What's wrong with the status quo?
God, if only more people would ask this question I wouldn't need to share my seat at the front of the bus with any of those smelly, oily, blue-skins.
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Posté 14 octobre 2011 - 11:36
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You know it is the same.Xilizhra wrote...
Right; so, you're comparing individual bondmating with, let me see, "each of which should be sterilised, interned and/or eliminated." Cerberus' backbone, you are.Ah yes, "it's not [enter bad word here] when we do it". I'm glad you felt the need to bring it up yourself, as that only further illustrates your uncertainty on the subject.
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Posté 14 octobre 2011 - 11:40
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Saphra Deden wrote...
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Even if it wasn't, I don't see what's wrong with it.
Well, I kind of do. As the research lead said they were burning through their subjects fast. Biotic capable human children aren't common place. Cerberus had to go to extreme lengths to create any biotic children at all. So Teltin was perhaps proceeding too quickly. I imagine that is what got TIM's attention and what prompted him to "retire" the people in command. Their mistake was a costly one.
Their research paid off in the end, but the cost might not have been as a high. It's like with Archer. Ultimately I support that he was willing to push things to the next limit to get his system to work, but I still think he should have been more careful. The cost was high, but it didn't need to be that high.
I support the rogue cells' goals, and I understand their methods, but the cost definitely could be less high if they simply trusted TIM more. It bugs me like hell when humans have to suffer. If there's even a slightest opportunity to reduce the cost for humanity, it must be done so.
I always save Kaidan on Virmire, because I cannot bring myself to waste a human biotic. They're too precious for us. We're not like asari - all they need to produce strong biotics is to breed. Every single one of our biotics is bought with a heavy sacrifice - deaths, pain, and blood. I can't imagine TIM would have approved of losing so much of them.
In any case, Teltin should have brought this to TIM. It's not their job to make such decisions. TIM's the one who can see the bigger picture. If he thought we could afford the cost, so be it. If not, then they should just accept that. He will find another way.
But it seems they never even stopped to consider the cost, they just kept going, thinking that any moment now, their gamble would pay off. What if they ran out of all the available biotics and never got any results? They didn't know where to draw the line, they had no intention to stop. And that's fine. They're not expected to evaluate the cost - it's TIM's job. Their worst mistake was not reporting to the man in charge.
As for Archer, he's the victim of the plot. His intentions were noble, but he apparently lacks the knowedge of dealing with volatile research to go with his enthusiasm. He increased the risk of the project without increasing the security. He thought he could get away with a gamble, and he thought wrong. It's only human to make mistakes.
But he should have trusted his superior with this. I can't imagine TIM would have refused his plan. Archer should have asked TIM for the more security measures, he could have guaranteed the entire place, and even if he didn't want to report until he had solid results to demonstrate, he definitely should have evacuated the personnel first.
But then we'd have no disaster for Shepard to sort out. Archer's character suffers from the contrived plot. I don't like it when it happens.
I understand that scientists can sometimes get overly enthusiastic and they'd get carried away quickly, and TIM needs to keep them constantly on a short leash, and all hell would break loose the moment he so much as looks away. But still it doesn't make much sense for the cells not to trust TIM's leadership more. I can't imagine that TIM would be pleased with his project leaders lying to him, and his projects going out of his control, too.
I get that we need disaster for story, but this "aaah, we aren't getting any results! instead of reporting to our CEO with our suggestions and ideas and asking for his approval and support, let's do disastrous experiments and hope for the best" plot device feels a little too contrived.
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Posté 14 octobre 2011 - 11:41
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Well played, Saphra.Saphra Deden wrote...
Barquiel wrote...
What's wrong with the status quo?
God, if only more people would ask this question I wouldn't need to share my seat at the front of the bus with any of those smelly, oily, blue-skins.
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Posté 14 octobre 2011 - 11:44
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I think he knows and accepts the cost. He seems to choose project leaders with a certain disregard for rules of all sorts when he needs to push the envelope, lay down rules that are just a bit too restrictive, and reap the results of his scientists breaking them.I can't imagine that TIM would be pleased with his project leaders lying to him, and his projects going out of his control, too.
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Posté 14 octobre 2011 - 11:59
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Nothing beats full cooperation between the leader and his team. TIM doesn't need to play games to motivate his teams. They aren't rebellious teens, they're mature adults working together with the leader of our people for the benefit of humanity. TIM doesn't need to lay down rules that don't benefit his goals. All he needs is to gets results at an affordable cost before we run out of time. He reaps the best results when there's full, open communication between him and his people.
The only restriction that he lays down to motivate his people and to encourage them to work their best and push to the limit is nothing new. It's deadline.
The only restriction that he lays down to motivate his people and to encourage them to work their best and push to the limit is nothing new. It's deadline.
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Posté 15 octobre 2011 - 12:05
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If he's not doing it on purpose, than his whole "close oversight" thing he maintains is utterly ineffectual. Unless EDI was full of deliberate misinformation.
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Posté 15 octobre 2011 - 12:08
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The close oversight may be a direct result of Teltin. Remember, that was almost twenty years ago. Back then perhaps TIM kept things spread out more.
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Posté 15 octobre 2011 - 12:15
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Scientists are like toddlers. You may oversee them twenty-four hours per day, and when you look away for three seconds, they manage to get themselves into a disaster. It's taking all of Shepard's time to babysit his crew, and TIM's got several cells with dozens of people, all of them enthusiastic about trying out and researching new, volatile technology.
Well. He's got better luck now, overseeing an army.
Well, this is depressing.
Well. He's got better luck now, overseeing an army.
Well, this is depressing.
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Posté 15 octobre 2011 - 12:27
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I have noted one thing of interest about the army.
If it's going to be the enemy in co-op... and I seriously doubt that co-op missions will be unplayable after a certain point in the game... then either TIM's completely lost control of Cerberus, or TIM's motivations are such that he'll be guaranteedly antagonistic throughout the entire game.
If it's going to be the enemy in co-op... and I seriously doubt that co-op missions will be unplayable after a certain point in the game... then either TIM's completely lost control of Cerberus, or TIM's motivations are such that he'll be guaranteedly antagonistic throughout the entire game.
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Posté 15 octobre 2011 - 12:34
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Both of which amount to bad writing, as usual.Xilizhra wrote...
I have noted one thing of interest about the army.
If it's going to be the enemy in co-op... and I seriously doubt that co-op missions will be unplayable after a certain point in the game... then either TIM's completely lost control of Cerberus, or TIM's motivations are such that he'll be guaranteedly antagonistic throughout the entire game.
And Saphra, I love what you did with those blue-skins about an hour ago.
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Posté 15 octobre 2011 - 12:37
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Given your inability to process writing that doesn't precisely match your personal tastes as anything good, I'm unsure why you're still here.Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Both of which amount to bad writing, as usual.Xilizhra wrote...
I have noted one thing of interest about the army.
If it's going to be the enemy in co-op... and I seriously doubt that co-op missions will be unplayable after a certain point in the game... then either TIM's completely lost control of Cerberus, or TIM's motivations are such that he'll be guaranteedly antagonistic throughout the entire game.
And Saphra, I love what you did with those blue-skins about an hour ago.
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Posté 15 octobre 2011 - 12:41
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Or it's a completely separate mode located at a certain point in time that tells us nothing about how the Cerberus plot will resolve.
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Posté 15 octobre 2011 - 12:42
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Edit: Yeah, Saph's post says what I wanted to more eloquently than what I had here.
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Posté 15 octobre 2011 - 12:43
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Xilizhra wrote...
Given your inability to process writing that doesn't precisely match your personal tastes as anything good, I'm unsurewhy you're still here.
I'm sure he processes it just fine. That's how he knows when it is ****.
#1947
Posté 15 octobre 2011 - 02:48
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Old game informer cover with TIM and Sheploo
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Posté 15 octobre 2011 - 02:59
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I saw the balloon floating behind his head, and promptly cracked a rib laughing. XD
EDIT: Oh, sorry, it would appear to actually be in front of his head. Didn't see the picture full-sized.
It's still hilarious.
EDIT: Oh, sorry, it would appear to actually be in front of his head. Didn't see the picture full-sized.
It's still hilarious.
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Posté 15 octobre 2011 - 03:05
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hehe, why TIM not the balloon toting type? 
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Posté 15 octobre 2011 - 04:43
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That balloon is incredible! Wish it were possible, and we could have TIM join our team. And then we'd celebrate that epic event. With balloons...and other things.
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