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[karatemanchan37]

God Bless Martin Sheen for bringing him to life!

[Seboist]

karatemanchan37 wrote...

God Bless Martin Sheen for bringing him to life!

True, Martin provides one of the best VA peformance, if not THE best in ME2.

[S.A.K]

Seboist wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Seboist wrote...

More shots of TIMShep.

Buddy put your helmet on. You are gonna ruin the flotilla!

That would disapoint all the Quarian ladies who are awestruck over the sight of such a fine looking stud. :happy:

^LOL!

[dreman9999]

That's right. I walk on your god damn ship, with my god damn germs and spread  it all on it. And their's not a god damn thing you can do about it....And I got a reverant strapped to my back to prove it.


Son.....It's best to step off.......I killled bigger roaches then you on the way to real problems.

[dreman9999]

Well, Honey....That's not a problem....With a little data manipulation from me, your change from 16 to 18 in no time at all.

[Seboist]

Another great portrait of the man himself that can be used as a wallpaper.

[The_Illusive]

^And maybe as an avatar. . .

[Zulu_DFA]

@Seboist.

You say you play a FemShep. Can you tell if during the first conversation with TIM he says "one very specific woman might be all that stands between humanity and the greatest threat..." - or is it still a "man"?

Thanks in advance.

[Ieldra]

I checked. He says "one very specific woman".

No surprise. I can't imagine such a mistake would've gone uncommented for more than a year.

[Zulu_DFA]

Thanks, Ieldra. I wouldn't have called it a mistake though.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Seboist wrote...

rpgfan321 wrote...

For some reason... one of the comic version of TIM reminds me of Anderson Cooper...
I swear he really reminds me of Anderson Cooper from CNN. Maybe the hair?

But in all seriousness, TIM rules. I finished reading the tie-in novels as a summer reading, and really enjoyed how TIM was portrayed in Ascension and especially Revelation since he was a key player. He is now more mysterious to me.... Can't wait for ME3!!!!

It's more than just the hair, the face is very similiar.



And TIM's role in the books were their main highlights for me as well. :happy:

I really like the fourth suit design up there, even though it doesn't really fit TIM's persona.

[Wynne]

Northern Sun wrote...

I'm really hoping TIM ends up being the Loghain of ME3. Good intentions, screws things up, but ends up being the secret companion.

I wanted to be able to argue with him about how dangerous the Collector Base was in ME2. I'd like to get through to him, because if he were not quite as ruthless and cruel, he could be even better for the galaxy. I really hope TIM will be the kind of antagonist with whom you can reason. His ability to see things pragmatically is one of my favorite qualities of his. My favorite Shepards are a Paragade and a Renegon, so I'd really like to talk it out with him, not fight it out. At heart, both he and Shepard have the galaxy's--or at least humanity's, and by extension the galaxy's--best interests at heart.

Seboist wrote...

Grayson was a scumbag traitor who betrayed TIM and endangered countless human lives when he turned rat. He should be thankful his body was used to advance human survival instead of being lined up against the wall and shot.

TIM deserves most of the credit for the succesful collector operation. His logistics,funding and direction made it all possible. Shepard was merely in charge of the tactical field decisions and owes his/her entire existence to TIM.

Grayson was a man who felt compassion for his autistic adopted daughter, who was being experimented on. He was afraid they would go too far with her and kill her. What he did, he did for good reasons--if you understand TIM, you should understand Grayson. He was not merely a "scumbag traitor", however shortsighted he might have been. If TIM was going to experiment on someone, why not a soulless murderer who enjoys hearing his victims scream in pain? Why not a pedophile? Someone who truly deserved to suffer and be controlled like that, who was guilty of more than wanting to protect a damaged child that he loved deeply? TIM indulged his dark side on that one, no doubt about it. He'd be better off if he were called on that sort of thing, and Shepard would be a good one to do it if anyone would.

TIM and the whole of Cerberus, especially Miranda, are all to thank for the successful Collector operation. So is Shepard and the squad and Joker, without whom all the funding in the world likely wouldn't have saved kittens, let alone the galaxy. I would like to point out before anyone might have the urge to jump in to disagree that TIM himself invested in the Lazarus Project for that very reason. Shepard is a leader, and you need an outstanding leader--and soldier--to get through a suicide mission with any hope of success.

TIM made his contributions, but certainly not alone, and they came at a harsh cost, as Kahoku's ghost or family could tell you. It's one thing to see the use in what he did, but to justify every wrong he committed and/or allowed would be standing on pretty shaky ground. Get enough people thinking the way he does, and you'll see what that does to a galaxy.

Moral standards, justice systems, and civil liberties exist for a reason. Rules have to be broken sometimes, but TIM is not always 100% committed to breaking them the right way without slight ulterior motives. I think it disturbs even him, and it should. There has to be a line somewhere, even for those willing to cross them when they have to, and you have to be careful you don't go so far that you lose sight of it completely. That would be why even my Renegades tend to destroy the Collector base, with only one exception--because as Samara says, he thinks he has the wisdom to handle it, but he doesn't.

Martin Sheen's performance is so brilliantly nuanced and layered; you can hear it in TIM's anger at the end of the game--he's scared. That fear is what makes him the One Sane Man of the galactic leaders--but it also means he can let his lust for knowledge lead him to take needless risks.

We may be about to see the consequences of that up close in ME3. It sure looks to be the case.

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yeah, he's not a saint and he'd be the first to admit it. At least TIM's version of revenge is productive and benefits the galaxy. (well until the turians crash the party and set loose a monster due to their own stupidity)

If you think only Shepard deserves credit for stopping the Collectors then you've got an inflated opinion of yourself (or of Shepard's at least).

TIM was the one who enabled Shepard to do it in the first place. He brought Shepard back to life. Gave Shepard a ship, a crew, money, information, objectives, and strategies to achieve those objectives.

It was TIM who masterminded the operation. Shepard was just a grunt on the ground. Shepard wasn't given tools, Shepard was the tool.

I feel it's necessary to address a comment of such an insulting and presumptuous nature: despite your deeply unpleasant insinuations, I said Shepard because I was referring to a fictional character. Shepard the character belongs to the writers who created her, and I say her because (a) I play a female and I don't see it as offensive to refer to Shepard that way since many others refer to Shepard with the male pronoun--it is what is most natural for myself and them respectively, and ( it is far less confusing when I am frequently referring to a male character in the same sentence as Shepard. Suffice it to say that if you spend the time to read what I posted, no, I did not state that "only Shepard" deserved credit for stopping the Collectors, merely that TIM is not the sole savior of the galaxy, which seems strangely offensive to some.

Now that I've said my peace, I will let that go with no hard feelings, but for future reference, it's pretty rude to assume or imply that someone you barely know who disagrees with you must be doing so because they are egotistical and over-identify with the character, especially when they did not first imply that you over-identify with the character you are defending. Personal attacks are uncalled for in a civil discussion, however offhandedly you try to play them. I hope you will think better of it in the future.

The turians were hardly stupid, being clever enough to find and raid a Cerberus base and rescue an imprisoned, helpless, lone victim who was unarmed, unarmored, and showed no signs of abnormal behavior. They had no meta-knowledge to save them. For that, you think they're stupid... can you explain that opinion? I don't understand it.

Copied from my above post: "He gave Shepard the tools, Shepard did the actual saving, as she also did once before him and once after him (ME1, then Arrival)" which is factually correct on an objective level. Shepard, not TIM, carried out every mission to recruit, every mission to earn loyalty, the investigative missions on Freedom's Progress/Horizon/the Collector ship, and the actual suicide mission. The upgrades which got them through came from the squadmates, including Mordin Solus, a brilliant scientist. Miranda, not TIM as your post stated, brought Shepard back to life. The choice of who to send where came from Shepard, who knew the team. Yes, TIM set it up, funded it, made it possible, but Shepard alone earned the team's respect and carried out the plan--without her and many others, it wouldn't have worked at all. If you thought otherwise, TIM himself would tell you that you were fooling yourself. Why else would he have invested so much time and effort and money in Shepard specifically if any good Commander would've done? He needed the best.

Dismissing Shepard as "just a grunt on the ground" is ludicrous. He couldn't have pulled the kind of stuff he did, like sending a squad off half-cocked into the belly of a Collector ship which he knew was a trap, without knowing he put a resourceful, intelligent, vicious fighter who would have the determination to see it through and react dynamically to whatever was thrown at her. That is Shepard.

As much as TIM has done, Shepard made it through ME1 and Arrival without his guiding hand just fine--it takes brains, not just brawn, to do that. And whether or not he helps, Shepard will get through ME3, because there is much, much more to this galaxy than just TIM despite how clever, vital, and resourceful a character he is. I like him precisely because he is deeply flawed despite those qualities. He is, in fact, an obsessed megalomaniac who is intriguingly self-aware with unusually decent motives despite his cruel streak, and he lives in a galaxy full of other powerful, intelligent people all warring for dominance.

Humanity owes him a debt of sorts, as does the galaxy--but it owes the same to Shepard and many others, including Anderson, without whom the Normandy would have been stuck in the dock, causing Ilos to never happen and by extension, Saren and Sovereign to win. Goodbye TIM and Shepard and everyone else.

TIM never laid a finger on any of that. Despite his importance, there is more to the galaxy than just him. I'm not about to forget that, and that was the reasoning behind my previous post.

Seboist wrote...

Like when Shepard goes out to fetch a Volus' credit chit or goes out to search for some guy's brother in a missing freighter. S/he is the biggest tool there is.

If Shepard were merely TIM's tool, the pawn to his chessmaster-like manipulations, destroying the base at the end of ME2 would simply not happen.

I have to shake my head at this stuff. I realize that TIM fans are not always treated well by the outside world, so it's easy to overstate one's opinion at times, but I am a fan of the character. And still, I don't get it when others seem to have to tear down and subjugate the protagonist, of all people, in favor of making him look more important.

It's really not necessary for TIM to be the be-all and end-all of the ME universe. He's more interesting as just one of its major players.

karatemanchan37 wrote...

God Bless Martin Sheen for bringing him to life!

The man is simply a genius. As much as I love Jennifer Hale and a number of others, his evocation of the complexity of the character is simply outstanding. He is, if not the best performer in the series, at the very least one of them, and in no small part the reason why the character is so fascinating to us all.

Modifié par Wynne, 12 août 2011 - 09:31 .

[Ashwraith]

*bursts out of the thread's chest cavity*
I LIIIIIIIIIIIVE

Dear lordy, it's been a while, TIM thread. I have missed you so. GIMMIE HUG. ;3;

Life showed up at my door, popped a bag over my head, and dragged me off kicking and flailing into the world. After a long span of enduring things like 'work' and 'bills' and 'increased hours', I managed to MacGuyver myself free of my shackles. I had to fight through a mob of Varren to get here, armed with only a toothpick, a lemon, and some dry-cleaning, and I think my hair may have caught on fire at some point, but by god I was determined to make it back.

...That tangent got away from me a little, there.
*ahem*

*looks up at the top of the page*
Oh, hey, it's my TIMShep shots. : D

Seboist wrote...

One of the reasons why I'd like to see my main femshep with TIM is that it's very reminiscent of the Aeon Flux/Trevor Goodchild love-hate relationship(from the cartoon obviously..) and that would be pretty awesome.

HOLY **** SOMEONE ELSE SEES IT :U

I LOVE YOU
MARRY ME

Modifié par Ashwraith, 13 août 2011 - 02:58 .

[Seboist]

Ashwraith wrote...

Seboist wrote...

One of the reasons why I'd like to see my main femshep with TIM is that it's very reminiscent of the Aeon Flux/Trevor Goodchild love-hate relationship(from the cartoon obviously..) and that would be pretty awesome.

HOLY **** SOMEONE ELSE SEES IT :U

I LOVE YOU
MARRY ME

Uh, thanks for the offer. 

Oh and I owe you thanks as well for creating that femshep art. I've been using it on yahoo messenger as my avatar for months now.

[BioFan (Official)]

after beating ME2 THEN finding out from a comic that the illusive man is being mind controlled by the reapers:
A. it all made perfect since

B. i felt like the whole entire ME2 game was a run around
C. i threw my ME2 game at the wall

[Seboist]

Ericander77 wrote...

after beating ME2 THEN finding out from a comic that the illusive man is being mind controlled by the reapers:
A. it all made perfect since

B. i felt like the whole entire ME2 game was a run around
C. i threw my ME2 game at the wall

Except he wasn't being controlled the Reapers.

[Xilizhra]

Ceberus will burn. TIM will... well, be arrested if cooperative, probably killed if otherwise. I have to worry about the galaxy after the Reapers as well.

[Xilizhra]

Rather hard to do when they're the Reapers' attack dogs, yes?

[Seboist]

Xilizhra wrote...

Rather hard to do when they're the Reapers' attack dogs, yes?

They're not.

[Ashwraith]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Cerberus is fighting the good fight, TIM is fighting the good fight. If you're worried about the galaxy then let-go of this misguided hatred and join together with humanity's protectors.

...You know you've been playing too much Fallout 3 when you read the preceding post in Three Dog's voice. >.>
In any case, I agree. I've always been a fan of morally ambiguous characters. War is not clean, war is not pretty, war is not moral. Sacrifices have to be made. I'd rather the intermediary be TIM than the Council (he at least gets off his ass and does something, instead of metaphorically ****blocking you at every turn).

...

Then again, I always have been a sucker for three-piece suits.

Modifié par Ashwraith, 13 août 2011 - 04:32 .

[Xilizhra]

Seboist wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Rather hard to do when they're the Reapers' attack dogs, yes?

They're not.

If they aren't, they're unacceptably interfering in my mission to save the galaxy regardless.

[Seboist]

Xilizhra wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Rather hard to do when they're the Reapers' attack dogs, yes?

They're not.

If they aren't, they're unacceptably interfering in my mission to save the galaxy regardless.

It's your Shepard's fault for screwing things up not theirs.

[Xilizhra]

It's your Shepard's fault for screwing things up not theirs.

I will save the galaxy. They will either get out of my way or face the same fate they did in ME1.