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#2001
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TIM never doubts Shepard, never insults him, he's nothing like the Council or the Alliance or VS, who'd berate you after you pulled a miracle and who's launch a personal attack on you on every single level, stabbing you repeatedly with relish, douting your abilities, your allegiences, your perception, and your sanity.

ORLY?
"I should have known you'd choke on the hard decisions. Too idealistic from the start."

And seeing the expression on TIM's face after you'd call him a great asset to humanity would be priceless. He's not the only one who can evaluate people and compliment them in such a fashion.

I don't know if he'd show it, but I think TIM would actually be mildly insulted at Shepard presuming to put herself on his level to give a compliment like that.

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Xilizhra wrote...

TIM never doubts Shepard, never insults him, he's nothing like the Council or the Alliance or VS, who'd berate you after you pulled a miracle and who's launch a personal attack on you on every single level, stabbing you repeatedly with relish, douting your abilities, your allegiences, your perception, and your sanity.

ORLY?
"I should have known you'd choke on the hard decisions. Too idealistic from the start."


He speaks the truth, here. Win a battle, lose the war.

I don't know if he'd show it, but I think TIM would actually be mildly insulted at Shepard presuming to put herself on his level to give a compliment like that.


Depends on how it's delievered, of course. There's nothing insulting in being appreciated. It's all in intent. It's possible to make the best compliment sound condescending.

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#2003
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Oh, I very much doubt I'll lose the war. Despite TIM's best efforts.

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Well, he's got the tech anyway, so yeah, we can't lose the war, despite base-destroying Shepard's best efforts.

#2005
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Actually, him getting some of the tech wasn't really that frightening to my Shepard; she genuinely hoped her instincts about TIM were wrong and that he wouldn't sell out the galaxy, but couldn't abide the thought of giving him a fully functional Reaper factory. Probably if she heard about that, she'd be glad that it could still be made helpful.

#2006
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laecraft wrote...

Why does every relationship need to end with yelling and insults, can't we handle this like mature adults...


Lawl.
"If you two don't knock it off right now, I am turning this ship around; not even kidding."

...Come to think of it, that was pretty much my exact reaction to Miranda and Jack's crisis point.
The galaxy would be a lot better off if everyone would just settle down and quit pulling hair. Or... fringe. Or whatever.














Crap, now I'm going to have to draw that.
Udina would steal the Turian Councilor's blocks. And the Salarian Councilor would claim the Krogan have (*gasp!*) cooties. Muaha.

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#2007
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TIMmancer comic (this femshep has red hair and green eyes like my main one ^_^)

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Translation:

OOhh YOU BASTARD! YOU KNEW! YOU KNEW IT ALL! WE COULD DIE BECAUSE OF ****IN COLLECTORS!

You know what? **** you! Now I will go get drunk with the doctor, and feed my fish. And you go rescue the galaxy!

Shepard out!

Illusive man: I saw it all Shepard

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#2008
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The look on her face in the last panel is priceless.
I also love the way the Illusive Man is drawn. Those cheekbones are magnificent. (Dammit, TIM, why are your features always such a pain in the ass to work with? *hurls pencil across room*)

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Wheee! Seboist, that's incredible! Hehee, TIM is so unperturbed, just smoking here. Shepard's totally flipping out, she's got a lot of passion. Both are very in-character. Both of them are very well drawn. People's got a lot of talent.

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TIM's prolly had so much experience with women flipping out that it's just like the wind blowing to him...

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Especially since he knows that Shepard's not going anywhere - she's got humanity to save. Just weather the storm, she'll cool down quickly enough.

Poor Shepard, just handing TIM more weapons against her, hugging that photo. Wonder where she's got it, my Shepard wants it too.

Heh, looks like a Collector ate an arm of Shepard's armor. That wasn't an easy escape.

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Xilizhra wrote...

Oh, I very much doubt I'll lose the war. Despite TIM's best efforts.


Confidence born of ignorance.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Oh, I very much doubt I'll lose the war. Despite TIM's best efforts.


Confidence born of ignorance.


Nah, she knows Bioware has her covered. That saving the council and destroying the base are viable actions shows that the Reapers aren't a threat to be taken too seriously.

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Especially since he knows that Shepard's not going anywhere - she's got humanity to save. Just weather the storm, she'll cool down quickly enough.

Poor Shepard, just handing TIM more weapons against her, hugging that photo. Wonder where she's got it, my Shepard wants it too.

Heh, looks like a Collector ate an arm of Shepard's armor. That wasn't an easy escape.


If only it was possible for my femsheps to replace the Kaidan picture with one of TIM's or at least Zaeed.

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Replacing the picture would be perfect. I shouldn't have to date someone to get rid of it. I want the pictures of my true allies, the people who fight by my side, who inspire me to fight, and not of the people who get my Shepard depressed.

I wish we could choose whose picture to keep. It doesn't have to be a LI. (Especially if that person cannot be a LI.) Maybe it could even be a creative way to initiate the romance. But if nothing else, I definitely want TIM's picture to gaze at, as inspiration.

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A framed TIM picture in the captain's quarters might be too much of a grim and depressing reminder of what my femsheps have lost. They lost the opportunity to smoke marlboro and drink jim beam with TIM as they stargaze. It might cause them to be placed on suicide watch!

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Seboist wrote...

A framed TIM picture in the captain's quarters might be too much of a grim and depressing reminder of what my femsheps have lost. They lost the opportunity to smoke marlboro and drink jim beam with TIM as they stargaze. It might cause them to be placed on suicide watch!


We'll see what happens in ME3 and whether or not your FemSheps will committ suicide or not give a damn.

#2018
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I think this is the right place to write down the part of the Cerberus Manifesto we get to read in Evolution:

"...and while it is with a heavy heart that I report the loss of our comrades in arms, Ben Hislop and Eva Coré, they died as they lived, protecting humanity to the last, and what they helped discover not only confirms everything that I believe - it has been proven to me, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that there is something out there to protect humanity against.

The stars look warm and inviting to us - places to be explored, knowledge to be had, riches to be made. But we will not always be welcome. Those who came before may not be willing to share. It is the way of things. It is inevitable.

A dark time is coming. Humanity will be tested. And while we may not know who is doing the testing, or why, we must meet the challenge, as we have met all others. We will succeed. Because to do anything else would be inhuman.

We will watch the dark places and bring illumination. There is no magic, only technology. Tools that we can master. Tools that we must master. Not just to survive, but for the betterment of mankind. We can - and will - take our rightful place in the stars.

This is my manifesto. I hope you will join my cause."


I don't know what has brought TIM to using the brute force "research" the remnants of which we come across all too often in the game, but I can get behind this manifesto 100%. I hope when we meet TIM again in ME3, something of the man who wrote it is left. And if not, then I want to take up his mantle (if not his methods) or have Miranda take it up.

It is interesting to see, btw, how this is not so much about human dominance than about survival. Harper/TIM knew about the existence of something like the Reapers all along, and protection against this threat is his main concern. The second-but-last paragraph also sounds like an agenda of enlightenment, which I support against the perception of the universe as a place containing inherently incomprehensible Cthulhu-esque monstrosities.

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It is so much more comforting to just accept that we can't know the unknowable.

I agree wholeheartedly on TIM's stance towards technology and "magic".

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I'm sure TIM appreciates how my Shepard contributed to mastering technology by fetching data in firewalker, keeping David in Overlord and by capturing the Collector base.... or maybe not since he sent he sent his whole army after her. =(

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Xilizhra wrote...
Oh, I very much doubt I'll lose the war. Despite TIM's best efforts.

Oout of character: You're metagaming.
In character: You're delusional.

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I don't know what has brought TIM to using the brute force "research" the remnants of which we come across all too often in the game, but I can get behind this manifesto 100%.

I honestly think that this is because, despite TIM's desire to see humanity rise in general, his regard for individual life is pretty much nil. Everyone is expendable in the name of seeing his vision brought about. The only time he's upset over death is if he loses an asset too soon for his liking.

I hope when we meet TIM again in ME3, something of the man who wrote it is left.

I don't think he needed to change at all. If you mean "the man who wrote things like 'it is with a heavy heart' and actually meant it," I don't think he ever existed.

It is interesting to see, btw, how this is not so much about human dominance than about survival. Harper/TIM knew about the existence of something like the Reapers all along, and protection against this threat is his main concern. The second-but-last paragraph also sounds like an agenda of enlightenment, which I support against the perception of the universe as a place containing inherently incomprehensible Cthulhu-esque monstrosities.

TIM is casting a wide net. He doesn't just want to have speciesist dicks being recruited; Cerberus' standards are rather high and he doesn't want to limit the application pool, as well as trying to grab ex-Alliance members for the sake of intel and other reasons. For his actual agenda, the only time I feel he's not being a politician speaking with carefully controlled words is in the Paragon ending, and that's where he breaks out "secured human dominance against the Reapers and beyond," (emphasis mine) and "Cerberus is humanity."

In character: You're delusional.

How odd. I thought that required a disconnection with reality instead of recognizing the patterns leading to my victory.

#2023
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laecraft wrote...

Poor Shepard, just handing TIM more weapons against her, hugging that photo. Wonder where she's got it, my Shepard wants it too.

Heh, looks like a Collector ate an arm of Shepard's armor. That wasn't an easy escape.



Mine just studies the one in the Codex. When no one's looking.
And trust me, she does make damn sure no one's looking.

Mmmmm. Carbon-fiber weave and synthetic alloys. It's all part of a healthy Collector diet.
Explains why the armor's gone, but the arm underneath is completely intact, yes'm.



...Well, that or Cerberus has been experimenting with starfish DNA. >.>

#2024
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GodWood wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Oh, I very much doubt I'll lose the war. Despite TIM's best efforts.

Oout of character: You're metagaming.
In character: You're delusional.



If Cerberus weren't made into the butt of all ME jokes and actually a legitimately successful organization, you'd be right. And the end-game decision might actually be... a decision.

As is, though, even if their intentions are completely pure (a massive "if") you can count on them shooting themselves in the foot with the new tech and just causing more problems than we need when fighting the Reapers.

With that tech, it's not worth the trouble in the end. Best choice. And an easy one, thanks in large part to BW making it that way. Best choice for TIM as well. He'll just never see the bad that results from it to thank you.

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