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[Sebby]

I reread the first chapter of Retribution and it turns out TIM actually does drink Jim Beam. Haha.

[FSOAH]

Read Mass Effect: Evolution today, and TIM is definately indoctrinated.

ME3 will do him justice, that much I am sure of. His role is gonna be awesome.

[Ieldra]

FSOAH wrote...
Read Mass Effect: Evolution today, and TIM is definately indoctrinated.

He is definitely NOT indoctrinated. What is it you don't understand in "there is something out there humanity needs to be protected from". He's been touched by the Reapers somehow through that artifact, yes, but unlike everyone else who has been touched by the Reapers, he doesn't come to yearn for their arrival, but knows they're an enemy who will test humanity's resilience, an enemy humanity needs to fight. 

It's possible the Reapers will exert some more influence over him in time, but at the end of Evolution, he's definitely not indoctrinated.

[Xilizhra]

Well, indoctrination is cumulative. TIM may not be indoctrinated now, but I'm fairly sure he'll be easier to do so than most others.

Also, interestingly, Shepard's been touched by the Reapers via Object Rho and numerous conversations, and also resisted it. I wonder if that means Shepard would be similarly weak...

[Xilizhra]

Does he see TIM as villain or savior

Well, Shepard is savior, so there's not much of an option.

hero or victim

I'd say neither.

Pro-human or anti-alien?

I suspect he doesn't hate nonhumans personally, he just is happy to employ people who do, and use their hatred for his own ends. Yet another similarity he shares with Palpatine.

Interactive character or final boss and cannon fodder?

Not the last one.

Human or Fate's pawn?

Well, no one who's ever tried to use Reaper technology aside from its most simplistic/minimal applications has ever ended well.

Someone we can talk to or something we must shoot at?

See Saren. They're hardly mutually exclusive, despite ME2's attempts to make people think otherwise.

Will he remember if Shepard kept the base, or will he get a convenient amnesia, like all those Shepards who easily forgot that if not for TIM, they'd be Collector goo?

I never forgot. But I can't have a good deed done for me personally prevent me from stopping a threat.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Oh Laecraft, stop fooling yourself into thinking there is more than one possible interpretation, more than one path in these games. If only the team would realise they have minimised rolaplaying so much that they might as well do the obvious and just try to directly compete with GoW.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 16 octobre 2011 - 11:02 .

[Xilizhra]

Given that this is the last game in the series, I believe they'll have more room to do that sort of thing.

[Sebby]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Oh Laecraft, stop fooling yourself into thinking there is more than one possible interpretation, more than one path in these games. If only the team would realise they have minimised rolaplaying so much that they might as well do the obvious and just try to compete with GoW.

Yeah, let's not kid ourselves into thinking this isn't just GoW with a Disney morality system and a conversation simulator. Playing a real man's rpg like the two Wtichers really shows how shallow the supposed "deep socio-political" lore of ME is, what little there is that doesn't get overshadowed by boring one-dimesional ancient evil and one note mercs and collectors anyhow.

At this point expecting Bioware to create a game with a mature and grey socio-political lore is like expecting Square-Enix to come up with a Final Fantasy that doesn't involve coming of age stories with androgynous teenage ladyboys.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

Given that this is the last game in the series, I believe they'll have more room to do that sort of thing.

I doubt that will indeed be the case, to both statements.

[Xilizhra]

Yeah, let's not kid ourselves into thinking this isn't just GoW with a Disney morality system and a conversation simulator. Playing a real man's rpg like the two Wtichers really shows how shallow the supposed "deep socio-political" lore of ME is, what little there is that doesn't get overshadowed by boring one-dimesional ancient evil and one note mercs and collectors anyhow.

Yes, I'm certain in your Witcher pisshole you can can play an unstable speciesist moron with the tact of a bulldozer with no consequences whatsoever. But if that is in fact the case, stop yammering about it here because it's not on damned topic.
Also, whomever invented the phrase "real man" is an utter dolt.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 16 octobre 2011 - 11:17 .

[Ultai]

So I was reading an interview with Mac Walters posted during the summer, and I found this bit interesting, while also concerning.

MW: The Illusive Man [Slight Spoilers for MASS EFFECT 2 Here!] has the base beyond the Omega 4 relay, and that's very important to him, all the research that Shepard was able to obtain for him there in Mass Effect 2. But it's kind of – guarded – shall we say, by Omega. Aria's ensconced there and she has no plans to leave. So this is kinda about their relationship, but also about where Cerberus is heading in Mass Effect 3. I can't really get into that, but it does elude to that. 

I'm mostly cynical toward Bioware these days about their boasting of choices, but I can't help but smile that apparently that's what he will choose to be canon.

Modifié par Ultai, 16 octobre 2011 - 11:26 .

[Xilizhra]

I'm guessing TIM built up a new facility beyond the relay if Shepard destroyed the first one.

[Ultai]

I doubt that, otherwise he would have said built a base, or would have said "a" base and not "the" base.

[Xilizhra]

Minor word slip. I doubt it would be possible to gracefully retcon destroying the base; they may have replaced Councilor Anderson, but that was with a natural progression of events, and something like this wouldn't be so easy to alter.

[Ashwraith]

Xilizhra wrote...

Yes, I'm certain in your Witcher pisshole you can can play an unstable speciesist moron with the tact of a bulldozer with no consequences whatsoever. But if that is in fact the case, stop yammering about it here because it's not on damned topic.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That is where I put my foot down.

I respect intelligent debate and opposing viewpoints as much as the next person. It's interesting, and it lends the forum (and this thread) more depth than it would have otherwise. Opposing viewpoints are fine. You don't have to agree with someone -and Xil, you do have a point about staying on topic-, but for the love of god let's at least try to keep things civil.

That goes for everyone, as far as I'm concerned. While I'm neither a mod nor the topic creator, I've been following this thread for a very long time (discounting the periods of length hiatus, ahem), and there's very little I hate more than seeing something I like devolve into a massive ****fest.






Do not make me get the spray bottle, people, I will do it.

Modifié par Ashwraith, 16 octobre 2011 - 11:42 .

[Xilizhra]

The amount of Witcher comparisons has reached critical mass for me. Additionally, Seboist using a gender-specific term as something value-positive instead of value-neutral is bloody idiotic and manages to make the whole post an insult against all women and those men who happen to like Bioware.

You don't have to agree with someone -and Xil, you do have a point about staying on topic-, but for the love of god let's at least try to keep things civil.

I'll hope that this can happen in the future.

[Ashwraith]

*watches as her wish for civil discourse spontaneously combusts and then plummets into a ravine*

...Well, dammit. That's the third time this week.

Modifié par Ashwraith, 16 octobre 2011 - 11:46 .