Ce sujet est ferméThis is, under some circumstances, futile.*watches her wishes for civil discourse spontaneously combust and plumment into a ravine*
...Well, dammit.
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Brotherhood of Cerberus - The Illusive Man Discussion/Support Thread
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And irrelevant comparisons to other games and sexist insults are related to him not at all.
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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 11:46
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Seboist wrote...
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Oh Laecraft, stop fooling yourself into thinking there is more than one possible interpretation, more than one path in these games. If only the team would realise they have minimised rolaplaying so much that they might as well do the obvious and just try to compete with GoW.
Yeah, let's not kid ourselves into thinking this isn't just GoW with a Disney morality system and a conversation simulator. Playing a real man's rpg like the two Wtichers really shows how shallow the supposed "deep socio-political" lore of ME is, what little there is that doesn't get overshadowed by boring one-dimesional ancient evil and one note mercs and collectors anyhow.
At this point expecting Bioware to create a game with a mature and grey socio-political lore is like expecting Square-Enix to come up with a Final Fantasy that doesn't involve coming of age stories with androgynous teenage ladyboys.
I'm mostly just getting ME3 to complete the story, after that I probably won't be playing much of Bioware's games anymore. I've got Obsidian, Bethesda, Eidos to some extent and CD Projekt Red to fall back on. However I might make an exception for a game involving more stuff with TIM, since he's one of my favorites.
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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 11:55
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Yes, I'm certain in your Witcher pisshole you can can play an unstable speciesist moron with the tact of a bulldozer with no consequences whatsoever. But if that is in fact the case, stop yammering about it here because it's not on damned topic.Yeah, let's not kid ourselves into thinking this isn't just GoW with a Disney morality system and a conversation simulator. Playing a real man's rpg like the two Wtichers really shows how shallow the supposed "deep socio-political" lore of ME is, what little there is that doesn't get overshadowed by boring one-dimesional ancient evil and one note mercs and collectors anyhow.
Also, whomever invented the phrase "real man" is an utter dolt.
Geralt displays great intelligence with a keen knowledge of politics and warfare and a big LOL to "No consequences". Yeah, there's no e-mails or cameos that don't appear because you didn't play the dev's preferred path if that's what you mean. There's entire missions, character interactions, enemies/allies,outcomes,etc that are the result of real choices and outcomes and you see it within the same game you're playing.
That I enjoyed playing on the paths of the faction that I oppose on a personal and political level (Scoia'tael) as much as the ones I support (Blue Stripes and Order) shows how much Witcher wipes the floor with ME with a real morally grey story. All factions have their pros and cons with legitimate motivations and grievences. There's no mary sue faction (Asari) or a one note antagonist whipping boy (Batarian) for convenient missions/plots.
What morally grey socio-political story is there in ME? Is Shepard potrayed as being concerned that freeing the Rachni Queen might endanger humanity's chances of ascending into the council or risking anti-human reprisals from antagonised Krogans? Nope, it's about being feeling warm and fuzzy by freeing her vs giving her an acid bath for the lulz.
I'm itching to do another Witcher 1+2 playthrough after I finish Deus Ex....
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Posté 16 octobre 2011 - 11:58
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And I might even care if A. this was a Witcher thread, B. I was capable of enjoying Witcher instead of being shafted by having to play a protagonist I can't get into, and C. you hadn't thrown in that bit of sexism. As it stands now, however...Seboist wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Yes, I'm certain in your Witcher pisshole you can can play an unstable speciesist moron with the tact of a bulldozer with no consequences whatsoever. But if that is in fact the case, stop yammering about it here because it's not on damned topic.Yeah, let's not kid ourselves into thinking this isn't just GoW with a Disney morality system and a conversation simulator. Playing a real man's rpg like the two Wtichers really shows how shallow the supposed "deep socio-political" lore of ME is, what little there is that doesn't get overshadowed by boring one-dimesional ancient evil and one note mercs and collectors anyhow.
Also, whomever invented the phrase "real man" is an utter dolt.
Geralt displays great intelligence with a keen knowledge of politics and warfare and a big LOL to "No consequences". Yeah, there's no e-mails or cameos that don't appear because you didn't play the dev's preferred path if that's what you mean. There's entire missions, character interactions, enemies/allies,outcomes,etc that are the result of real choices and outcomes and you see it within the same game you're playing.
That I enjoyed playing on the paths of the faction that I oppose on a personal and political level (Scoia'tael) as much as the ones I support (Blue Stripes and Order) shows how much Witcher wipes the floor with ME with a real morally grey story. All factions have their pros and cons with legitimate motivations and grievences. There's no mary sue faction (Asari) or a one note antagonist whipping boy (Batarian) for convenient missions/plots.
What morally grey socio-political story is there in ME? Is Shepard potrayed as being concerned that freeing the Rachni Queen might endanger humanity's chances of ascending into the council or risking anti-human reprisals from antagonised Krogans? Nope, it's about being feeling warm and fuzzy by freeing her vs giving her an acid bath for the lulz.
I'm itching to do another Witcher 1+2 playthrough after I finish Deus Ex....
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Posté 17 octobre 2011 - 12:00
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Ultai wrote...
I'm mostly just getting ME3 to complete the story, after that I probably won't be playing much of Bioware's games anymore. I've got Obsidian, Bethesda, Eidos to some extent and CD Projekt Red to fall back on. However I might make an exception for a game involving more stuff with TIM, since he's one of my favorites.
Same here, I'm done with Bioware after ME3.
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Posté 17 octobre 2011 - 12:23
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Make that three of us.Seboist wrote...
Ultai wrote...
I'm mostly just getting ME3 to complete the story, after that I probably won't be playing much of Bioware's games anymore. I've got Obsidian, Bethesda, Eidos to some extent and CD Projekt Red to fall back on. However I might make an exception for a game involving more stuff with TIM, since he's one of my favorites.
Same here, I'm done with Bioware after ME3.
And I've also already given up on Dragon Age. How did it come to this?
Oh, you so silly.Xilizhra wrote...
The amount of Witcher comparisons has reached critical mass for me. Additionally, Seboist using a gender-specific term as something value-positive instead of value-neutral is bloody idiotic and manages to make the whole post an insult against all women and those men who happen to like Bioware.
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Posté 17 octobre 2011 - 01:39
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TIM values his people and this kind of internal strife is very bad for cell cohesion.
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No consequences whatsoever?Yes, I'm certain in your Witcher pisshole you can can play an unstable speciesist moron with the tact of a bulldozer with no consequences whatsoever.
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Posté 17 octobre 2011 - 04:27
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Bethesda and grey socio-political lore?Ultai wrote...
Seboist wrote...
At this point expecting Bioware to create a game with a mature and grey socio-political lore is like expecting Square-Enix to come up with a Final Fantasy that doesn't involve coming of age stories with androgynous teenage ladyboys.
I'm mostly just getting ME3 to complete the story, after that I probably won't be playing much of Bioware's games anymore. I've got Obsidian, Bethesda, Eidos to some extent and CD Projekt Red to fall back on. However I might make an exception for a game involving more stuff with TIM, since he's one of my favorites.
Who plays Bethesda's games for their writing lol?Agree on Obsidian & Eidos Montreal though, great writing in their games (1 game in case of EM). CDP too but then "Look gamers! We've got ****** for you yay!" kind of spoils the image.
But I'm not gonna be 'abandoning' BioWare. When it comes to writing, I prefer Obs, but BioWare still creates good games/world that provide me tons of fun. And one screwup named DA2 ain't gonna make all their amazing track record suddenly invalid.
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Posté 17 octobre 2011 - 06:18
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The war against the Reapers, not Cerberus.Hah Yes Reapers wrote...
If Cerberus weren't made into the butt of all ME jokes and actually a legitimately successful organization, you'd be right.GodWood wrote...
Oout of character: You're metagaming.Xilizhra wrote...
Oh, I very much doubt I'll lose the war. Despite TIM's best efforts.
In character: You're delusional.
HissAnd the end-game decision might actually be... a decision.
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Posté 17 octobre 2011 - 07:00
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TIM haters are funny...Tehy STILL hapr abouthim not realyl caring about humantiy or people...even after been proven wrong. I quote:
"He will do anything for the sake of humanity in the game, even the horrible things sometimes, if that’s what’s necessary."
He will do anything for the sake of humanity. That sentance alone completely destroys all of hte haters who insists he does it for his own power and crap like that.
"He will do anything for the sake of humanity in the game, even the horrible things sometimes, if that’s what’s necessary."
He will do anything for the sake of humanity. That sentance alone completely destroys all of hte haters who insists he does it for his own power and crap like that.
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I'm not much of a gamer, myself. Didn't even play ME all that often, mostly rewatched the cutscenes. I want to see the conclusion of Shepard's story. But if the end of the series disappoints me, I won't need another game to go to - I'll just leave. I'm quite a ravenous novel reader. That'll always keep me sated.
I think comparisons to other games are very relevant to this discussion. I've heard countless times just how practically impossible it is to create a game with real choices. That real choices create exponentially complicated choice trees. That we shouldn't even bring this up, because we're not game makers, and we have no idea how hard it is. That the illusion of choice is everything we'll ever get, that we should never ask for more, that we should settle for this. That we should wait for the final game of the series to see our choices matter, because it's super hard to make them matter right away, in the same game. And then guess what?
Someone makes a game where choices matter, with two actual equal paths. That tells us, at least, that this sort of thing is not technically impossible. That's something we need to be aware of. Competition is a powerful thing, and the customers benefit from it.
I've several alternatives to your statement. Take your pick:
a. it's an insult against all men and women to imply that they're so hyper-sensitive that they'd be offended by something so minor that was never intended as an offense in the first place
b. it takes a delusion of grandeur to speak on behalf of all men and women. "I am humanity"? you aren't even human. shouldn't you asari folks be more relaxed on the matter, doesn't Liara say that "male" and "female" has no real meaning to you
c. whatever percieved insult you might have digged out in a general statement because you feel strongly on the issue, it's not an excuse for personal attacks.
You seem to have it in for Seboist. A slightest innocent remark by him is enough to set you off. Wonder if that's some kind of suppressed foe yay attraction...Well, I'm sure that he, like TIM, is so used to women flipping out that it's like the wind blowing to him, and I'm the only one riled up here. Oops, did I violate some value-neutral rules by using a gender-specific term here? Did I offend humanity with it? I didn't mean to, I swear. I mean only respect for humanity. It's only one specific asari that I had in mind.
And that's fine if you don't care. Other people here will. You're not the only one here. To demand in an insulting fashion that someone shut up simply because you don't like the direction of the conversation is egomanic. If you feel it's off-topic, just point it out calmly.
I'm super civil, here. See, Ashwraith? I don't want to disappoint you. Tell me this was super civil, because I can't tell.
I'll contribute to the thread peace by shutting up about choices, I've said what I wanted anyway.
I think comparisons to other games are very relevant to this discussion. I've heard countless times just how practically impossible it is to create a game with real choices. That real choices create exponentially complicated choice trees. That we shouldn't even bring this up, because we're not game makers, and we have no idea how hard it is. That the illusion of choice is everything we'll ever get, that we should never ask for more, that we should settle for this. That we should wait for the final game of the series to see our choices matter, because it's super hard to make them matter right away, in the same game. And then guess what?
Someone makes a game where choices matter, with two actual equal paths. That tells us, at least, that this sort of thing is not technically impossible. That's something we need to be aware of. Competition is a powerful thing, and the customers benefit from it.
Additionally, Seboist using a gender-specific term as something value-positive instead of value-neutral is bloody idiotic and manages to make the whole post an insult against all women and those men who happen to like Bioware.
I've several alternatives to your statement. Take your pick:
a. it's an insult against all men and women to imply that they're so hyper-sensitive that they'd be offended by something so minor that was never intended as an offense in the first place
b. it takes a delusion of grandeur to speak on behalf of all men and women. "I am humanity"? you aren't even human. shouldn't you asari folks be more relaxed on the matter, doesn't Liara say that "male" and "female" has no real meaning to you
c. whatever percieved insult you might have digged out in a general statement because you feel strongly on the issue, it's not an excuse for personal attacks.
You seem to have it in for Seboist. A slightest innocent remark by him is enough to set you off. Wonder if that's some kind of suppressed foe yay attraction...Well, I'm sure that he, like TIM, is so used to women flipping out that it's like the wind blowing to him, and I'm the only one riled up here. Oops, did I violate some value-neutral rules by using a gender-specific term here? Did I offend humanity with it? I didn't mean to, I swear. I mean only respect for humanity. It's only one specific asari that I had in mind.
And I might even care if
And that's fine if you don't care. Other people here will. You're not the only one here. To demand in an insulting fashion that someone shut up simply because you don't like the direction of the conversation is egomanic. If you feel it's off-topic, just point it out calmly.
I'm super civil, here. See, Ashwraith? I don't want to disappoint you. Tell me this was super civil, because I can't tell.
I'll contribute to the thread peace by shutting up about choices, I've said what I wanted anyway.
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Posté 17 octobre 2011 - 07:09
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laecraft wrote...
I'm super civil, here. See, Ashwraith? I don't want to disappoint you. Tell me this was super civil, because I can't tell.
Fear not, m'friend. That was, in fact, super civil.
It gets the Ash Seal of Approval.
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(I am mondo easy to please if you couldn't tell
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I've also been up since six this morning so I think I'm gonna go pass out and worry about eloquence and debate and choices in the morning g'night
*whump*)
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Posté 17 octobre 2011 - 07:13
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Ashwraith wrote...
Do not make me get the spray bottle, people, I will do it.
I poked a hole in it, now there's no more water.
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Posté 17 octobre 2011 - 07:31
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Bethesda and grey socio-political lore?
Agree on Obsidian & Eidos Montreal though, great writing in their games (1 game in case of EM). CDP too but then "Look gamers! We've got ****** for you yay!" kind of spoils the image.
But I'm not gonna be 'abandoning' BioWare. When it comes to writing, I prefer Obs, but BioWare still creates good games/world that provide me tons of fun. And one screwup named DA2 ain't gonna make all their amazing track record suddenly invalid.
True about Bethesda, however Oblivion's plot is more appealing than DA2 at this point.
I wish I could find the interview that was done recently, but from what I gathered from one of Mac Walter's responses is that he won't be done with TIM anytime soon. I'll just have to keep digging for it. I can't say I like how he goes about things, but I'd be pretty disappointed if he was killed off in some way.
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Posté 17 octobre 2011 - 07:36
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Even Bioware's own DA:O had better handled choices than ME. There wasn't this nonsense of Shepard being able to play both sides of a conflict and still ending up having his cake and eating it since everything exists in a bubble. There you faced a dilemma of who to support between werewolves vs elves, templar vs mages, the two opposing dwarf factions,etc and then you fight alongside your chosen ally against their enemy. I wish we would have a situation like that with Geth vs Quarian but I'm not counting on it...
I also liked how certain squadmates like Wynne and Leliana would actually turn against the Warden if s/he screwed them and what they hold dear over. That's contrary to what we have in ME where the squadmates amount to being a gaggle of b*tches who submit to Shepard's every whim no matter how much s/he screws them or their people over (ex. Wrex,Zaeed and Tali).
I also liked how certain squadmates like Wynne and Leliana would actually turn against the Warden if s/he screwed them and what they hold dear over. That's contrary to what we have in ME where the squadmates amount to being a gaggle of b*tches who submit to Shepard's every whim no matter how much s/he screws them or their people over (ex. Wrex,Zaeed and Tali).
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Posté 17 octobre 2011 - 07:55
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Lotion Soronnar wrote...
TIM haters are funny...Tehy STILL hapr abouthim not realyl caring about humantiy or people...even after been proven wrong. I quote:
"He will do anything for the sake of humanity in the game, even the horrible things sometimes, if that’s what’s necessary."
He will do anything for the sake of humanity. That sentance alone completely destroys all of hte haters who insists he does it for his own power and crap like that.
I know right? He's a billionaire who's stuck hiding in the shadows on a constantly moving space station and on the run from the authorities (Both human and alien) when he could be chilling in a mansion in Bekenstein sipping on expensive liquor and banging a different high class woman each night but he's TOTALLY in it for himself.
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Thank you, Ashwraith. Now that I've got your approval, it reassures me that I'm not totally off the handle, inspires me and puts me in a lyrical mood. I'll carry on, then.
To bring this back to TIM. Tangentially, on the notion of "real man," and the fools who invented it. I don't know about "real" part, because TIM's quite fictional. But we have, in fact, at least one definition of "Man" I can reference to. Although it's more of a definition of Human, the way I see it. Semantics! So I'm going to do something I almost never do - appeal to an authority. Rudyard Kipling, to be more precise.
Here's his definition of Man, and it's quite a strict one. And it's not simply about gender or appearance - no, it's much more demanding than that. If you meet all these conditions, it really doesn't matter anymore which gender you are, and if you're wearing high heels and makeup and catsuit - you're indeed a Man.
TIM fits this definition, and so does Shepard - male or female one. But not many other peole in the game do. So here's in honor of TIM and Shepard.
Saphra, close your eyes.
If
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on";
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!
To bring this back to TIM. Tangentially, on the notion of "real man," and the fools who invented it. I don't know about "real" part, because TIM's quite fictional. But we have, in fact, at least one definition of "Man" I can reference to. Although it's more of a definition of Human, the way I see it. Semantics! So I'm going to do something I almost never do - appeal to an authority. Rudyard Kipling, to be more precise.
Here's his definition of Man, and it's quite a strict one. And it's not simply about gender or appearance - no, it's much more demanding than that. If you meet all these conditions, it really doesn't matter anymore which gender you are, and if you're wearing high heels and makeup and catsuit - you're indeed a Man.
TIM fits this definition, and so does Shepard - male or female one. But not many other peole in the game do. So here's in honor of TIM and Shepard.
Saphra, close your eyes.
If
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you;
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or, being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or, being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise;
If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with triumph and disaster
And treat those two imposters just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with wornout tools;
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on";
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch;
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!
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I wish I could find the interview that was done recently, but from what I gathered from one of Mac Walter's responses is that he won't be done with TIM anytime soon. I'll just have to keep digging for it. I can't say I like how he goes about things, but I'd be pretty disappointed if he was killed off in some way.
Hmm, wonder if you're referring to this one JeffZero transcribed?
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OXM: "Which of the characters in the game do you feel closest to?"
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Mac Walters: I also have to say the Illusive Man, and it's partly [because of] working with Martin sheen, having this great voice -- but Casey also had a very strong vision for who the Illusive Man would be. I love characters that are a bit gray, that are not obviously evil or obviously good -- they're somewhere in between. So from that perspective, he's a lot of fun to write. That's one of the reasons why, when we had options [for which characters to focus on] in the books, I wanted to go back into this guy's past and explore. I find him a fascinating character and would love to do more on him -- we haven't given away all the tidbits."
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It seems he's planning to write more on TIM's past. I would have preferred it to be about TIM's future. If TIM survives to star in the new series, well, I'd want to see it.
There's also this one, brought to us by Vertigo_1, but it doesn't mention TIM's future:
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Mac Walters: If it’s a major major character like say The Illusive Man, the vision will come from someone like Casey himself. He’s got a specific vision for it and it’s up to him and the artists to sort that out. Then I’ll write for that persona that they’re creating.
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Wonder if you meant something else...
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Posté 17 octobre 2011 - 09:28
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Even Bioware's own DA:O had better handled choices than ME. There wasn't this nonsense of Shepard being able to play both sides of a conflict and still ending up having his cake and eating it since everything exists in a bubble. There you faced a dilemma of who to support between werewolves vs elves, templar vs mages, the two opposing dwarf factions,etc and then you fight alongside your chosen ally against their enemy. I wish we would have a situation like that with Geth vs Quarian but I'm not counting on it...
I also liked how certain squadmates like Wynne and Leliana would actually turn against the Warden if s/he screwed them and what they hold dear over. That's contrary to what we have in ME where the squadmates amount to being a gaggle of b*tches who submit to Shepard's every whim no matter how much s/he screws them or their people over (ex. Wrex,Zaeed and Tali).
Agreed. I'm getting quite sick of the ME universe hating me because I'm trying to be as pragmatic as possible. One can only hope that actions will have real consequences in ME3, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Posté 17 octobre 2011 - 09:49
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DA:O was twice as complex and branched-out as ME1 and ME2 combined. Not even its "sequel" came close to it in that regard.
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Posté 17 octobre 2011 - 10:33
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Pretty absurd that Shepard doesn't have to worry about antagonizing the Krogan for freeing the Rachni or the Quarians for empowering the Geth with the rewrite. It just shows that Paragon and Renegade just boils down to whether or not you want your Shepard to be Space Jesus or Space Troll.
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Posté 17 octobre 2011 - 10:39
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I'm a TIM fan. I adore him. The more I played Renegade, the more fun I had, because it was just simply human to me. Frankly, I get quite tired of all the "humanity" hate among Mass Effect fans. If that makes me a Cerberus fangirl so be it. I don't really care. I do hope however, that we get TIM to be a worthy opponent for Paragon-Shepards and a powerful ally for Renegades. I would hate for some of my Renegade -Sheps to feel betrayed by him and therefore having to seek revenge.
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Posté 17 octobre 2011 - 11:28
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The lack of choices is very relevant to having to fight Cerberus which is related to TIM.
I suppose you complained about the lack of choices in ME2 as well (...and how much "effort" was put into railroading us into working with Cerberus)?
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Posté 17 octobre 2011 - 11:31
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Barquiel wrote...
laecraft wrote...
The lack of choices is very relevant to having to fight Cerberus which is related to TIM.
I suppose you complained about the lack of choices in ME2 as well (...and how much "effort" was put into railroading us into working with Cerberus)?
The lack of choice will in a way be more damning in ME3 than in the other two.
Wouldn't it be nice to have you work for both factions then in ME3 let you choose which team to stay on?
