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[Aeowyn]

Ashwraith wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

I think that more choice is always better. The complaints just sound a bit hypocritical to me.

In Mass Effect 2, Shepard has to work with Cerberus (ME1/the council, DAO/Grey Wardens, etc.)...awesome!!!
In Mass Effect 3, Cerberus wants to kill Shepard...ruined forever, my last Bioware game

Actually, I was pissed about having to work with Cerberus when I first went into the game. My canon Shep's a Sole Survivor, and I'd dedicated a good portion of my time into shutting their operatrions down in ME1 (nobody messes with my former squadmates and gets away with it! Mama Bear smash!), so I was pretty well invested into hating them. I mean, really quite rabidly invested.

It's just that they grew on me, over time and across subsequent playthroughs. Oh, trust me, I tried to fight it, but it's hard to stay angry at people who are that damn determined to help you and make you feel appreciated. The ambient conversations between the Cerberus crewmembers on board the Normandy also went a long way toward humanizing them in my eyes- it even made me wonder about all the hapless mooks I'd mown down in the previous game.

And, of course, the fact that the Illusive Man is unfailingly polite, wears a three-piece suit (ow, my Achilles Heel!) and sounds like Martin Sheen didn't hurt, but hey, whatchagonnado. >.>

Say what you will about the writing and choices available in ME2, but -for me at least- it says a lot when a game can make you change your mind about something that profoundly. I still wish the choice of whether or not to work with them had been there, but... it all worked out all right in the end.

Hah, this could've been me. My canon Shep is a Sole Survivor too. But then I kept the Base. Then I decided to read up a bit about Cerberus and I realized that they're actually the only ones doing a squat about the missing colonies.
For me Cerberus is a gray area and TIM is a gray character. What would ****** me off about ME3 is if they made TIM just side with the Reapers for revenge or something. It wouldn't make any sense at all. 

Modifié par Aeowyn, 17 octobre 2011 - 05:36 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm unsure if you guys have read Drew Karpyshyn's recent interview, where explicitly stated that it's much more than Cerberus being indoctrinated and/or with the Reapers. It was posted somewhere in General not too long ago.

[Aeowyn]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I'm unsure if you guys have read Drew Karpyshyn's recent interview, where explicitly stated that it's much more than Cerberus being indoctrinated and/or with the Reapers. It was posted somewhere in General not too long ago.

Drew Karpyshyn? He's not in the ME writing team anymore. Or do you mean that interview with Mac Walters?

[Xilizhra]

Oh, trust me, I tried to fight it, but it's hard to stay angry at people who are that damn determined to help you and make you feel appreciated.

I don't see why. In fact, them doing that made me rather suspicious itself. The Alliance and Council never needed to hide or sugarcoat anything; I was already loyal. But the mere fact that my transition was so seamless struck me as highly implausible unless it was deliberate. The entire ship staffed with people, practically, kicked out of the Alliance for being too truthful? Having it be constantly drilled into my mind that I'm their one hope? It's too easy. Too artifical. Manipulative as all-get-out. I never saw Cerberus giving me the slightest real reason to trust them.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I'm unsure if you guys have read Drew Karpyshyn's recent interview, where explicitly stated that it's much more than Cerberus being indoctrinated and/or with the Reapers. It was posted somewhere in General not too long ago.

I'm not sure I'm ready to buy that just yet. It would seem horribly in-character for them to waste a perfectly good character like that, and it's not the first time they've accidentally let something slip and quickly cover it up, only for time to reveal that that which was slipped was indeed true.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Aeowyn wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I'm unsure if you guys have read Drew Karpyshyn's recent interview, where explicitly stated that it's much more than Cerberus being indoctrinated and/or with the Reapers. It was posted somewhere in General not too long ago.

Drew Karpyshyn? He's not in the ME writing team anymore. Or do you mean that interview with Mac Walters?

Yes, Drew himself. He's not working on ME3 but he appeared to know what he was talking about.

[Ashwraith]

Xilizhra wrote...

I don't see why. In fact, them doing that made me rather suspicious itself. The Alliance and Council never needed to hide or sugarcoat anything; I was already loyal. But the mere fact that my transition was so seamless struck me as highly implausible unless it was deliberate. The entire ship staffed with people, practically, kicked out of the Alliance for being too truthful? Having it be constantly drilled into my mind that I'm their one hope? It's too easy. Too artifical. Manipulative as all-get-out. I never saw Cerberus giving me the slightest real reason to trust them.

Well, see, that's why you are you and not me. If that makes any sense.
Everybody interprets the game differently. Doesn't necessarily make me deluded, or you overly paranoid; I just happened to get attached to the antagonists because I got a look at something from a different perspective.*
Happens all the time- hell, people are still debating alternate character interpretations in classical literature.

Ultimately, the only people who really know what's what about Cerberus and its leader are the writers. All we can do is speculate, based on what we're presented with.





*-Much like how, seeing something from the direction of a person quoting me, I realize I made a typo in that last post. >.>
*dashes off to fix*

[Sebby]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

It feels to me that Cerberus being shifted into the role of enemy was done in part as fan service because they were more unpopular than anticipated.

That's plausible. We've seen how Garrus and Tali have been made eternal sidekicks due to fan pandering.

If that were true then why was Wrex limited to a cameo role in 2 after being named the best sidekick in gaming by an xbox mag?

If Wrex is that popular then his near non-existant support thread on here doesn't show it.

[Sebby]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

I don't see it that way - I think it's completely realistic that TIM used you as a pawn and threw you away no matter how much you may have done for him.

I can believe that but only if you give TIM sensible motivation to do that. So far he has no reason to turn on Shepard.

Remember, this is the same Shepard who in ME1 wrecked several Cerberus bases as well as the turians did (better, actually). This is the same TIM who refused to retaliate against Anderson in the wake of the turian attack

TIM also doesn't mind paying big bucks to hire people who have previously harmed the organization like Zaeed and Kasumi.

[Xilizhra]

They would serve him better put to use than dead. This is presumably no longer the case with Shepard.

[Sebby]

I wouldn't be surprised if Drew was one of those responsible for calling Cerberus "space n*azis" in the game's early files.

[Xilizhra]

expresses his disbelief that TIM has fans.

Allow me to express my disbelief that he disbelieves it. Everyone has fans. Hell, look at all the people who support the templars in DA2--and I'd side with Cerberus a thousand times over before the templars. You think I hate Cerberus? You've seen nothing.

[DiebytheSword]

Seboist wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

It feels to me that Cerberus being shifted into the role of enemy was done in part as fan service because they were more unpopular than anticipated.

That's plausible. We've seen how Garrus and Tali have been made eternal sidekicks due to fan pandering.

If that were true then why was Wrex limited to a cameo role in 2 after being named the best sidekick in gaming by an xbox mag?

If Wrex is that popular then his near non-existant support thread on here doesn't show it.

Wrex doesn't need a popularity thread.  He'll drag your clan to glory, whether you like it or not.

[Sebby]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Drew is a Paragon wuss, but I still like him and I'm a proud Space Nazi.

I raise my right hand up high whenever my Shepard starts talking to TIM.

[Ashwraith]

Oh man, now it's in my head and IT WILL NEVER LEAVE. D:

[Kaiser Shepard]

laecraft wrote...

LOL at the last two comments.

okay, I can't stop laughing here. Finally it's getting lighthearted.

Ditto, but only for Sebo's comment. Doesn't quite equal Saph's bus comment from the other day, but it's close enough.

Edit: The song Ash just posted is quite awesome as well.

As for Wrex, perhaps we should start his support thread, one with some heavy renegade influences...

Xilizhra wrote...

expresses his disbelief that TIM has fans.

Allow me to express my disbelief that he disbelieves it. Everyone has fans. Hell, look at all the people who support the templars in DA2--and I'd side with Cerberus a thousand times over before the templars. You think I hate Cerberus? You've seen nothing.

I think I've seen more than enough already in those s/s-romance topics, thank you very much. And no one's really surprised you're rabidly anti-Templar; you never had what it took to get things done.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 18 octobre 2011 - 12:56 .

[Sebby]

Meh, DA's templars aren't as cool as Witcher's Order of the Flaming Rose who curb-stomp dwarves and elves.

[Xilizhra]

I think I've seen more than enough already in those s/s-romance topics, thank you very much. And no one's really surprised you're rabidly anti-Templar; you never had what it took to get things done.

Call it a hunch, but I think I'll have more done than you by the end of ME3.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

I think I've seen more than enough already in those s/s-romance topics, thank you very much. And no one's really surprised you're rabidly anti-Templar; you never had what it took to get things done.

Call it a hunch, but I think I'll have more done than you by the end of ME3.

If so, that's mere developer bias.

But still, every alien species gone is us accomplishing an equal number of things more than you ever could.