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[Seboist]

Xilizhra wrote...

It's your Shepard's fault for screwing things up not theirs.

I will save the galaxy. They will either get out of my way or face the same fate they did in ME1.

Saren thought he was saving the galaxy too and look how things turned out for him.

The Illusive Man has the right idea,you don't.

[Xilizhra]

Seboist wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

It's your Shepard's fault for screwing things up not theirs.

I will save the galaxy. They will either get out of my way or face the same fate they did in ME1.

Saren thought he was saving the galaxy too and look how things turned out for him.

The Illusive Man has the right idea,you don't.

Yes, by working with the Reapers and trying to kill/capture Shepard--oh, wait.

[Ashwraith]

Seboist wrote...

It's your Shepard's fault for screwing things up not theirs.

Depending on the circumstances, I'd say it's both.
At least in the case of a Paragon ending, you've (and by 'you' I of course mean Shepard) just ripped technology that could save lives right out of their hands. For no other reason than you had a moral beef with its origins.
And Cerberus, well.... let's be fair, here, they do have a bit of a problem with Chronic Backstabbing Disorder. I lay that fault more at the feet of the writers than the organization itself, though.
I ASKED FOR MORAL AMBIGUITY, PEOPLE.
MORAL AMBIGUITY.
NOT BOND VILLAINY.
*stranglyhands*

Saphra Deden wrote...

THREE DOG??? How dare you compare me to that mongrel. That... that... evangelist!  That slandering propagandist!

Whoa whoa whoa, it's not my fault you were talking about 'fighting the good fight'! :U



(For the record, I loathe Three Dog. Loathe. Doesn't keep his catchphrase from being stuck in my head.)

Modifié par Ashwraith, 13 août 2011 - 04:41 .

[Seboist]

Xilizhra wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

It's your Shepard's fault for screwing things up not theirs.

I will save the galaxy. They will either get out of my way or face the same fate they did in ME1.

Saren thought he was saving the galaxy too and look how things turned out for him.

The Illusive Man has the right idea,you don't.

Yes, by working with the Reapers and trying to kill/capture Shepard--oh, wait.

See, you TIM haters are so fanatical that you have to INVENT reasons to hate him. The sheer gaul and arrogance of it has me stunned.

[StellarMagic]

Huh... I wonder what'll happen in ME3. Seems we're fighting Cerberus in a lot of the trailers, so...

A.) TIM has been indoctrinated or been convinced that Shepard must be stopped, despite bringing him back to life.

B.) TIM's position as head of Cerberus has been usurped somehow.

I'm betting A... Indoctrinated. He's got reaper cybernetics for eyes, as Reaper influence grows in the galaxy they start indoctrinating him leading to him being a villain in ME3.

EDIT: You know the Devs have confirmed that Cerberus has a kill order out on Shepard in ME3.

Modifié par StellarMagic, 13 août 2011 - 04:40 .

[Seboist]

Ashwraith wrote...

Seboist wrote...

It's your Shepard's fault for screwing things up not theirs.

Depending on the circumstances, I'd say it's both.
At least in the case of a Paragon ending, you've (and by 'you' I of course mean Shepard) just ripped technology that could save lives right out of their hands. For no other reason than you had a moral beef with its origins.
And Cerberus, well.... let's be fair, here, they do have a bit of a problem with Chronic Backstabbing Disorder. I lay that fault more at the feet of the writers than the organization itself, though.
MORAL AMBIGUITY, PEOPLE.
MORAL AMBIGUITY.
NOT BOND VILLAINY.
*stranglyhands*

TIM saved humanity from the Collectors. He's right up there with Mother Teresa and Pope John Paul II as far as I'm concerned.

[Xilizhra]

They serve humanity, not the Reapers. If compliance with the Reaper cause is the best way to save us, then so be it.

Look into my signature for an explanation of that.

TIM understands that salvation comes at a price. If that price is our form, then so be it.

If humanity's life is the price paid for the galaxy to survive, then it will be paid. Cut off a limb to save the body.

See, you TIM haters are so fanatical that you have to INVENT reasons to hate him. The sheer gaul and arrogance of it has me stunned.

Let us hie to the first page, shall we?

Information (Official/Rumors) *Source Links Pending* -SPOILERS-


Mass Effect 3

- The Illusive Man (Cerberus) is pursuing Commander Shepard.

- Cerberus is under Reaper influence/control.

Fascinating.

[Seboist]

Xilizhra wrote...

They serve humanity, not the Reapers. If compliance with the Reaper cause is the best way to save us, then so be it.

Look into my signature for an explanation of that.

TIM understands that salvation comes at a price. If that price is our form, then so be it.

If humanity's life is the price paid for the galaxy to survive, then it will be paid. Cut off a limb to save the body.

See, you TIM haters are so fanatical that you have to INVENT reasons to hate him. The sheer gaul and arrogance of it has me stunned.

Let us hie to the first page, shall we?

Information (Official/Rumors) *Source Links Pending* -SPOILERS-


Mass Effect 3

- The Illusive Man (Cerberus) is pursuing Commander Shepard.

- Cerberus is under Reaper influence/control.

Fascinating.

First off, a galaxy without humans is not a galaxy worth saving, Second of all Mac Walters says that TIM is under his own free will.

[Xilizhra]

First off, a galaxy without humans is not a galaxy worth saving,

Yes, well, the opinions of Seboist alone are not high on my Shepard's list of consideration priorities.

Second of all Mac Walters says that TIM is under his own free will.

I don't doubt it.

[Seboist]

Xilizhra wrote...

First off, a galaxy without humans is not a galaxy worth saving,

Yes, well, the opinions of Seboist alone are not high on my Shepard's list of consideration priorities.

Second of all Mac Walters says that TIM is under his own free will.

I don't doubt it.

You should bow your head in shame for having the nerve to suggest humanity should be sacrificed.

[Xilizhra]

Seboist wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

First off, a galaxy without humans is not a galaxy worth saving,

Yes, well, the opinions of Seboist alone are not high on my Shepard's list of consideration priorities.

Second of all Mac Walters says that TIM is under his own free will.

I don't doubt it.

You should bow your head in shame for having the nerve to suggest humanity should be sacrificed.

I'm a Spectre. My duty is to the greater good of the galaxy.

[Seboist]

Xilizhra wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

First off, a galaxy without humans is not a galaxy worth saving,

Yes, well, the opinions of Seboist alone are not high on my Shepard's list of consideration priorities.

Second of all Mac Walters says that TIM is under his own free will.

I don't doubt it.

You should bow your head in shame for having the nerve to suggest humanity should be sacrificed.

I'm a Spectre. My duty is to the greater good of the galaxy.

The whole point of Shepard becoming a spectre in the first place is to advance human interests. You've betrayed humanity,shame on you son.

[Xilizhra]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If humanity's life is the price paid for the galaxy to survive, then it will be paid. Cut off a limb to save the body.

You can't save the galaxy, but you can save humanity. Cut off a limb to save the body.

The only way to do that would be Reaper victory, and that doesn't count. If we deny the Reapers a new subject race, they'll be down one invasion's worth of resources and the next cycle may do better.

The whole point of Shepard becoming a spectre in the first place is to advance human interests. You've betrayed humanity,shame on you son.

Daughter. And I'll do that so long as human interests are galactic ones.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 13 août 2011 - 04:52 .

[Seboist]

Xilizhra wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If humanity's life is the price paid for the galaxy to survive, then it will be paid. Cut off a limb to save the body.

You can't save the galaxy, but you can save humanity. Cut off a limb to save the body.

The only way to do that would be Reaper victory, and that doesn't count. If we deny the Reapers a new subject race, they'll be down one invasion's worth of resources and the next cycle may do better.

The whole point of Shepard becoming a spectre in the first place is to advance human interests. You've betrayed humanity,shame on you son.

Daughter. And I'll do that so long as human interests are galactic ones.

Race traitor! You'll be swinging from a noose for that treason!

[Xilizhra]

Try me.

[Ashwraith]

StellarMagic wrote...

Huh... I wonder what'll happen in ME3. Seems we're fighting Cerberus in a lot of the trailers, so...

A.) TIM has been indoctrinated or been convinced that Shepard must be stopped, despite bringing him back to life.

B.) TIM's position as head of Cerberus has been usurped somehow.

I'm betting A... Indoctrinated. He's got reaper cybernetics for eyes, as Reaper influence grows in the galaxy they start indoctrinating him leading to him being a villain in ME3.

EDIT: You know the Devs have confirmed that Cerberus has a kill order out on Shepard in ME3.

Personally, I find option B more intriguing. While canon has made it pretty clear that TIM does have a connection with the Reapers... well, so does Shepard, in a sense*. I could just be in denial, but it seems like an enormous wallbanger for the Illusive Man, whose entire m.o. up to this point has run counter to that of the Reapers, to suddenly switch sides and go 'SCREW IT I'M JUST GONNA DUMP ELEVEN BILLION CREDITS AND ALL OF THAT WORK DOWN THE DRAIN'.

To my mind, an internal power struggle makes much more sense.

...Plus it sets up a perfect Enemy Mine situation, wherein you have the chance to either help TIM retake his organization (and gain an ally in the process), or eliminate both in one fell swoop (and get rid of two potential threats).




*looks at the posts above hers*

Oh, dear, I think Ash's Voice of Reason is being overwhelmed. :U
MAN THE LIFEBOATS

Modifié par Ashwraith, 13 août 2011 - 05:03 .

[Seboist]

It's been heavily hinted that Shepard is full of Reaper tech from Lazarus and that something big is going to happen in ME3 because of it.

[Xilizhra]

Personally, I find option B more intriguing. While canon has made it pretty clear that TIM does have a connection with the Reapers... well, so does Shepard, in a sense*. I could just be in denial, but it seems like an enormous wallbanger for the Illusive Man, whose entire m.o. up to this point has run counter to that of the Reapers, to suddenly switch sides and go 'SCREW IT I'M JUST GONNA DUMP ELEVEN BILLION CREDITS AND ALL OF THAT WORK DOWN THE DRAIN'.
To my mind, an internal power struggle makes much more sense.

I don't see why. TIM spent all of ME2 thinking that the Reapers just wanted to kill humanity; now he realizes that the Reapers want to make humanity into one of them. A living god.

[Ashwraith]

Seboist wrote...

It's been heavily hinted that Shepard is full of Reaper tech from Lazarus and that something big is going to happen in ME3 because of it.

Dammit, I was going to put that under the liitle asterisks in my post.
I knew I was forgetting something.

Also, eh, like I said: 's'just my opinion.
I wouldn't want to be paste. With my luck, I'd wind up having to share runtimes with all the unbelievably obnoxious people. The ones who poke you when you're trying to concentrate. And think juvenile humor is the highest form of wit.


nooooooooo ლ(◕n◕ ლ)

Modifié par Ashwraith, 13 août 2011 - 05:11 .

[Seboist]

Ashwraith wrote...

Seboist wrote...

It's been heavily hinted that Shepard is full of Reaper tech from Lazarus and that something big is going to happen in ME3 because of it.

Dammit, I was going to put that under the liitle asterisks in my post.
I knew I was forgetting something.

TIM wouldn't approve of this forgetfulness.

[Ashwraith]

Seboist wrote...

TIM wouldn't approve of this forgetfulness.

I also left the Normandy's parking brake on. For twelve consecutive jumps.
TIM is used to it by now. >.>