The problem is that a female Kossith would enver be good at fighting, since she would never have trained extensively at it. The only exposure to skillful female fighters the Qunari have is from other nations. The devs also said that the Qunari females do fight, when all other options are exhausted, they just believe men are the better fighters.Herr Uhl wrote...
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You have to remember the Kossith race when you think about why they figure men as the better fighters and so on. Kossith males are notably bigger and stronger than female Qunari. The difference between a male Kossith and a female Kossith is simply greater than between the human sexes.
A female that is extraordilarily good at fighting would still be turned down for the warriors to a male that is very good at organization, who would in turn be turned down for said female when it comes to administrative jobs.
Most of their jobs are divided to one sex only for what seems like little reason.
Edit: This would also apply to any elven converts for example. And I don't see why the "no female warriors" is the thing that everyone seems hung up about. Almost all jobs are gender-specific.
The Philosophy Of Qun
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#51
Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 05:19
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#52
Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 05:45
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EmperorSahlertz wrote...
The problem is that a female Kossith would enver be good at fighting, since she would never have trained extensively at it. The only exposure to skillful female fighters the Qunari have is from other nations. The devs also said that the Qunari females do fight, when all other options are exhausted, they just believe men are the better fighters.
They have greater physical abilities and a better heritage? Up until the age of 12 is a testing period so that is where they would show off their skills (males and females), they simply rule out any possibility that any woman could be as apt at fighting as a man or that any man could be as apt at farming as a woman.
And who doesn't fight if someone attacks you?
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Posté 12 juillet 2011 - 10:03
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They rule out that a woman would ever be better at fighting than at an administrative role. It isn't like they think all males will be better fighters, but rather that they think females are always better at some other role than fighting.
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Posté 13 juillet 2011 - 01:59
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There are certain things that one of the sexes is better at than another. The Qunari take that concept and apply it to all of their society. The Qunari seem to subscribe to the idea that the best male warriors (for example) will still be better than the best female warriors so there would not be any point in letting females choose fighting as a profession, it would be inefficient. At the same time, Sten seems perplexed as to why the females just hide in the Chantry in Redcliff, so obviously the Qunari don't think that females are incapable of being competent fighters.
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Posté 13 juillet 2011 - 02:39
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I think that the Qun would demand that those that must fight do so whether their profession is fighter or not.
#56
Posté 13 juillet 2011 - 05:23
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The Qun represents a unified society free of petty rivalries and competition. As the Arishok said, individuals know their role within the Qun and choose to succeeded or fail, within that role. It is a system completely devoid of chaos, and is perfectly ordered according to a few simple tenets.
But the part I don't like? Using mind altering chemicals to lobotomize anyone who doesn't want to join... that part sucks.
It would be interesting if Bioware actually had an interest in showing us some alternate realities in this series, because I've had a few playthroughs where I supported the Qunari, and a few where I went out of my way to oppose them. It made for some interesting interactions within DA2, but I'd like to see the consequences of some of those choices, not a stock scenario that's common to all playthroughs.
But the part I don't like? Using mind altering chemicals to lobotomize anyone who doesn't want to join... that part sucks.
It would be interesting if Bioware actually had an interest in showing us some alternate realities in this series, because I've had a few playthroughs where I supported the Qunari, and a few where I went out of my way to oppose them. It made for some interesting interactions within DA2, but I'd like to see the consequences of some of those choices, not a stock scenario that's common to all playthroughs.
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Posté 13 juillet 2011 - 07:01
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It's not neccesarily that the Qunari thinks a male fighter will always be better than a female fighter, it is also that they think a female will always be better at something else than fighting. Hence it would be wasted potential to let a female join the army.Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
There are certain things that one of the sexes is better at than another. The Qunari take that concept and apply it to all of their society. The Qunari seem to subscribe to the idea that the best male warriors (for example) will still be better than the best female warriors so there would not be any point in letting females choose fighting as a profession, it would be inefficient. At the same time, Sten seems perplexed as to why the females just hide in the Chantry in Redcliff, so obviously the Qunari don't think that females are incapable of being competent fighters.
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Posté 19 juillet 2011 - 05:40
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http://en.wikipedia....epublic_(Plato)
Qunari society is that. the Wiki article is decidedly high-level, but basically, Qunari society is structured nearly IDENTICALLY to that outlined by Plato as the "ideal city-state".
Obviously everything has an inspiration, and Mary of course didn't write the Qunari in a vacuum. She obviously read Plato!
Qunari society is that. the Wiki article is decidedly high-level, but basically, Qunari society is structured nearly IDENTICALLY to that outlined by Plato as the "ideal city-state".
Obviously everything has an inspiration, and Mary of course didn't write the Qunari in a vacuum. She obviously read Plato!
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Posté 19 juillet 2011 - 06:40
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Skydiver8888 wrote...
http://en.wikipedia....epublic_(Plato)
Qunari society is that. the Wiki article is decidedly high-level, but basically, Qunari society is structured nearly IDENTICALLY to that outlined by Plato as the "ideal city-state".
Obviously everything has an inspiration, and Mary of course didn't write the Qunari in a vacuum. She obviously read Plato!
I wonder what the small weak Elven and Human converts do? Probably all the dirty nasty dangerous jobs maybe?
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Posté 19 juillet 2011 - 06:50
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EmperorSahlertz wrote...
It's not neccesarily that the Qunari thinks a male fighter will always be better than a female fighter, it is also that they think a female will always be better at something else than fighting. Hence it would be wasted potential to let a female join the army.
They may once have thought about it, now they just do it. Sten is utterly without context when confronted with a femWarden. He does not comprehend a woman who is also a warrior. He doesn't question so much whether she wouldn't have better served in some other role, but that she exists at all. It really is a telling conversation.
I object to a philosophy that so rules people's lives that they are not even supposed to understand the alternatives.
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Posté 19 juillet 2011 - 07:24
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Not knowing how foreigners do things is hardly unique to the Qun. Most of the other races don't know or care about how the other civilizations practices unless it is directly relevant to their own.
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Posté 19 juillet 2011 - 03:44
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Jedi Master of Orion wrote...
Not knowing how foreigners do things is hardly unique to the Qun. Most of the other races don't know or care about how the other civilizations practices unless it is directly relevant to their own.
Most people know that things are different in other places, even if they aren't educated as to the specifics. You do not address the point that the Qun does not teach that it is the best alternative, but that it is the only way of life. Otherwise Sten would not be so confused.
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Posté 19 juillet 2011 - 03:54
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I imagine that's just Sten's personal perspective to be honest. If all the Qunari believe that everyone behaved like them already, why would they feel the need to spread the Qun? There are certain things about poeple's life that they take for granted, those were Sten's. He wasn't the only person to be confused about how or why certain people believe or behave as they do. Heck some of the dwarves were even confused about the notion of the sky.
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Posté 19 juillet 2011 - 06:09
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The Qun is like a bee hive or ant nest. They function very well and do an excellent job of surviving. But I would hardly call it a model for human society. I would not want to give up my freedom and individuality in order to become a cog in a giant machine. No matter how well the machine might seem to work.
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Posté 19 juillet 2011 - 06:41
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In regards to dialogue. I was always amused by the Elf studying in the library in the Magi Origin. He says how he is trying to understand who elves are. You can basically imply that he is who is so what else is there to know? To a point it's sadly ironic. The Elf is so focused on his own race that he isn't even able to understand that it's not the race but just who you are that is important. The main thing about Qunari is the idea that all who are not members of the Qun are unintelligent, weak and so on. While it does give them a chance to be surprised when someone poses a threat? That confidence likely blinds them to opportunities and advantages they could possibly see otherwise.
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Posté 20 juillet 2011 - 06:05
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As stated by others, I like the idea of self control, and everyone having a place in society. My pros for The Qun ends there however.
It's kind of ironic actually, a lot of the stereotypes against The Chantry (and real life Theologies at that) are in fact actual truths about the Qun. They're completely intollerant towards those of other beliefs, and they infact have every intention of one day forcing others to convert to their beliefs and systems and die. Sten said so himself, and the entirety of Act 2 showed it.
It's kind of ironic actually, a lot of the stereotypes against The Chantry (and real life Theologies at that) are in fact actual truths about the Qun. They're completely intollerant towards those of other beliefs, and they infact have every intention of one day forcing others to convert to their beliefs and systems and die. Sten said so himself, and the entirety of Act 2 showed it.
