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[jlb524]

C9316 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

C9316 wrote...
I agree it is perfectly reasonable to voice how you want someone to improve something to keep getting your money, all I'm saying is don't expect something to be given to you just because you think it would 'cool'. If that doesn't satisfy someone they can freely spend their money on something else, if that isn't good enough for some people like you said then that's a shame for them.

Well, "Bioware should do X" and "I expect Bioware to do X" aren't the same thing.

They are on this forum.

Now you are generalizing.  Also, I'm not sure where you are getting this impression from as a whole?  I see a lot of people asking for all kinds of things, but I'm not sure how you get expectation from that.

[Volus Warlord]

IsaacShep wrote...
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Now looks who's not reading to benefit his argument. Where are those demands to have everyone bi bi? Quotes please.

The bi-ness is rarely a direct demand though it is seen on some occasions. It is simply a combination of players expectations.

i.e. Ashley did straight stuff in the past so some people think she's straight. Some players want S/S with Ashley.

If she does homosexual and hetereosexual actions, she is bi. Put 2 and 2 together.

[C9316]

jlb524 wrote...

C9316 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

C9316 wrote...
I agree it is perfectly reasonable to voice how you want someone to improve something to keep getting your money, all I'm saying is don't expect something to be given to you just because you think it would 'cool'. If that doesn't satisfy someone they can freely spend their money on something else, if that isn't good enough for some people like you said then that's a shame for them.

Well, "Bioware should do X" and "I expect Bioware to do X" aren't the same thing.

They are on this forum.

Now you are generalizing.  Also, I'm not sure where you are getting this impression from as a whole?  I see a lot of people asking for all kinds of things, but I'm not sure how you get expectation from that.

Because when someone doesn't get what they think 'should' be in the game they proceed to complain about it here.

[Inquisitor Recon]

KawaiiKatie wrote...
Aaaaaaaaaaand you wonder why the word "homophobe" has been tossed around.

Yeah, Bioware finally including same-sex romances is a step in the direction of equality. If you see this as a negative thing, if you can't understand why gay gamers see this as a victory, you're truly narrow-minded.

You take for granted the ability to play a straight hero. You can pick up any game at the store to experience that. But to play a homosexual hero who saves the galaxy? it's going to be awesome. Lesbians got to experience that with ME1 and ME2, and now homosexual males get to experience it, too. This is an amazing thing that Bioware has done for equality.

But you can view that victory as "pandering" or "forced representation" if you're really that bitter and sad.

Now to be called a homophobe by somebody who thinks they are leading a great civil rights struggle by demanding gay LIs in a video game isn't that hurtful to myself. You remind me of those DRM crusaders.

You're deluded, I'll tell you that much. This has nothing to do about "equality" or what is right, it is simply what you want and the obnoxious S/S group here is willing to hide behind such lies to get it. If you can't relate to a straight hero that's your problem, not mine. Seems most other gay players don't have a problem with that either. Romances in games is for the most part, a relatively recent thing, and the Bioware ones were always somewhat minor. Yet you've helped to blow them way out of proportion.

Bioware did a stupid thing due to how ass-backwards politically correct our culture has become. While you may think it's "amazing" I see it for what it is, and it isn't "amazing". If all you want to do is pat each other on the back, show off obnoxious signatures, and celebrate, why don't you do that in your private group?

Modifié par ReconTeam, 09 juillet 2011 - 09:35 .

[TheMarshal]

Isn't it great being in the majority? We get whatever we want, whenever we want, without having to ask for it. When someone gives us something we want, nobody can accuse them of pandering, 'cause hey, it's merely the smart thing to do, right? Pandering to the majority is just how things are done.

[shepskisaac]

O hai, good to see you ReconTeam. So you agree they shouldn't devote any extra dev time to classes other than Soldier in ME3 since that would be pandering to such a small protion of the players, right?

[Volus Warlord]

ReconTeam wrote...
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Now to be called a homophobe by somebody who thinks they are leading a great civil rights struggle by demanding gay LIs in a video game isn't that hurtful to myself. You remind me of those DRM crusaders.

You're deluded, I'll tell you that much. This has nothing to do about "equality" or what is right, it is simply what you want and the obnoxious S/S group here is willing to hide behind such lies to get it. If you can't relate to a straight hero that's your problem, not mine. Bioware did a stupid thing due to how ass-backwards politically correct our culture has become. While you may think it's "amazing" I see it for what it is, and it isn't "amazing".

Haha..

STFU AND ENJOY THE GAYNESS HOMOPHOBE!!! 

[Inquisitor Recon]

IsaacShep wrote...
O hai, good to see you ReconTeam. So you agree they shouldn't devote any extra dev time to classes other than Soldier in ME3 since that would be pandering to such a small protion of the players, right?

Get back to me when you a new argument that is related to the subject at hand rather than a core gameplay element.

[Ryzaki]

Isn't engineer used the least of all the classes? 

Guess ME3 should get rid of that class. 

And the female romance options because for some reason half the amount of romances are only being used by about 20% of the player base. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 09 juillet 2011 - 09:37 .

[KawaiiKatie]

ReconTeam wrote...

Bioware did a stupid thing due to how ass-backwards politically correct our culture has become. While you may think it's "amazing" I see it for what it is, and it isn't "amazing".

Again, your inability to see how much of a step forward it is to allow Shepard to be gay in ME3 proves just how narrow-minded you are. As David Gaider said:

And if there is any doubt why such an opinion might be met with hostility, it has to do with privilege. You can write it off as "political correctness" if you wish, but the truth is that privilege always lies with the majority. They're so used to being catered to that they see the lack of catering as an imbalance. They don't see anything wrong with having things set up to suit them, what's everyone's fuss allabout? That's the way it should be, any everyone else should be used to not getting what they want.

And, you know what? TheMarshal said it rather well, too.

Isn't it great being in the majority? We get whatever we want, whenever we want, without having to ask for it. When someone gives us something we want, nobody can accuse them of pandering, 'cause hey, it's merely  the smart thing to do, right? Pandering to the majority is just how things are done.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 09 juillet 2011 - 09:38 .

[TheMarshal]

80% of the players used the face customizer. Maybe we could get rid of Sheploo?

[AngelicMachinery]

This particular person could care less who the hell is bi, I’m not particularly passionate about one person over the other. They could be new or old, just as long as it’s handled well. Hell, I think dude bro Vega could be an awesome homosexual love interest just because how much that would shatter potential stereotypes, I personally really like both Jack and Ashley? Will I rage if they’re not bi? Nah, you don’t necessarily get what you want but it would be nice if each group had at least one option. Call it pandering or not, if people get so wrapped up in these romances I see no reason why homosexual males should be excluded. Us girls who like girls already have a hawt blue chick with cthulu on her head.

I just can’t understand why some people are simply against the idea of inclusion of it as a whole. I can even understand people who say that “It’s breaking my immersion.” (If they really mean it) I don’t personally see it as such, but, I can’t outright tell them that they’re wrong. The people who I can’t understand are the people who just outright say “No” and say that the other group is acting like it’s “entitled”

Why does it hurt any of the straight audience if male Shepard is getting some space action with a male member of his crew?

Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 09 juillet 2011 - 09:41 .

[Zkyire]

I really wish people would stop going on about this.

They should have never allowed any form of romance options in any of the Mass Effect games if all it's done is make people want this to turn into a bloody dating sim.

What the hell does it matter if any of the characters are straight, bi or gay? Does it affect anyone else but yourself? No.

If someone mods the game to make Shepard invincible; are you going to complain because that isn't what YOUR Shepard is?

Who gives a crap?

Just drop this ridiculous discussion. Over and over and over again it's just the same group of people giving the same, tired, old arguments - nothing new is being added, and nobody is going to change their minds.

Drop it and move onto a topic that actually matters.

[Pups_of_war_76]

TheMarshal wrote...

80% of the players used the face customizer. Maybe we could get rid of Sheploo?

Now that thar is an idea I can get behind. 

[Russalka]

Do people think that the arguments over this are going to change the minds of the developers or sway them in a certain direction? I think they have a certain plan by now and are going to follow through it.

[shepskisaac]

ReconTeam wrote...
Get back to me when you a new argument that is related to the subject at hand rather than a core gameplay element.

Hahahahahaha nope, this is perfectly related. If you believe developement time shouldn't be devoted to features that are unpopular, you agree on this in classes case as well Sorry, you've came up with this theory, your problem not mine Unless of course this opinion of yours on unpopular content applies only to gay romances for you

[jlb524]

C9316 wrote...
Because when someone doesn't get what they think 'should' be in the game they proceed to complain about it here.

Again, that's simply asking for a feature you like to be included (and personally thing 'should' be included for whatever reasons).

Expecting it to be included is...thinking it will likely occur.

I doubt most people expect that certain characters will be made available for s/s...if they did, why would they keep asking for it?  If you believe it's gonna happen, why keep pestering the devs for it? 

I'm not sure if you've followed the old 'Fight for the Love' movement, but months ago, we were in the position of not expecting s/s content to be included at all.  Therefore, a thread was created asking for it's inclusion in general.

Now that s/s romances have been confirmed in general, we expect them to be present in ME3 and the requests for s/s content to be added in general have stopped.  We just don't know how many or with whom, so of course, people are speculating on this and requesting that their fave character be open in ME3.

[Russalka]

Have any of the people who call this a dating sim ever played one?

[Someone With Mass]

It's not like you can just say "no" and walk away if there are characters that makes you uncomfortable, or outright ignore them, right?

People are whining constantly about the lack of choices in Mass Effect, and when they get them, they continue to whine. That's how I learned to ignore those people, since it's like talking to a wall.

[InvaderErl]

I just want them to be careful and not turn everyone into a romantic option for everyone simply for the sake of choice.

I didn't like how DA2 approached that and much preferred the way it was handled in DAO. If they can do something like that again I'm perfectly fine with M/M being in the game.

[Volus Warlord]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

I really wish people would stop going on about this.

They should have never allowed any form of romance options in any of the Mass Effect games if all it's done is make people want this to turn into a bloody dating sim.

What the hell does it matter if any of the characters are straight, bi or gay? Does it affect anyone else but yourself? No.

If someone mods the game to make Shepard invincible; are you going to complain because that isn't what YOUR Shepard is?

Who gives a crap?

Just drop this ridiculous discussion. Over and over and over again it's just the same group of people giving the same, tired, old arguments - nothing new is being added, and nobody is going to change their minds.

Drop it and move onto a topic that actually matters.

Haha.. Bioware are the ones letting their games become dating sims. Hell, it's apparently become a core element to their games. Players see a character in a Bioware game and there first thought is whether or not they can **** them.  It was their choice in the first place. The current bickering is merely an extension of the ****hole they opened up. Don't like the Romance Wars? Take it up with Bioware.

Modifié par Volus Warlord, 09 juillet 2011 - 09:45 .

[Kachie]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

This particular person could care less who the hell is bi, I’m not particularly passionate about one person over the other. They could be new or old, just as long as it’s handled well. Hell, I think dude bro Vega could be an awesome homosexual love interest just because how much that would shatter potential stereotypes, I personally really like both Jack and Ashley? Will I rage if they’re not bi? Nah, you don’t necessarily get what you want but it would be nice if each group had at least one option. Call it pandering or not, if people get so wrapped up in these romances I see no reason why homosexual males should be excluded. Us girls who like girls already have a hawt blue chick with cthulu on her head.

I just can’t understand why some people are simply against the idea of inclusion of it as a whole. I can even understand people who say that “It’s breaking my immersion.” (If they really mean it) I don’t personally see it as such, but, I can’t outright tell them that they’re wrong. The people who I can’t understand are the people who just outright say “No” and say that the other group is acting like it’s “entitled”

Why does it hurt any of the straight audience if male Shepard is getting some space action with a male member of his crew?

It doesn't it hurt the straight audience... If you asked me, they're uncomfortable with the idea of it being a possibility.

Btw, I love the hawt blue chick with cthulu on her head comment x3

[Ryzaki]

TheMarshal wrote...

80% of the players used the face customizer. Maybe we could get rid of Sheploo?

YES. Get rid of Sheploo! He needs to go. 

[jlb524]

InvaderErl wrote...

I just want them to be careful and not turn everyone into a romantic option for everyone simply for the sake of choice.

I didn't like how DA2 approached that and much preferred the way it was handled in DAO. If they can do something like that again I'm perfectly fine with M/M being in the game.

Because everyone getting equal choice is bad, mkay.