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[Volus Warlord]

Ryzaki wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

80% of the players used the face customizer. Maybe we could get rid of Sheploo?

YES. Get rid of Sheploo! He needs to go. 

Aw, how could you give up his rape face?

http://t0.gstatic.co...YOk0Au6whWA&t=1

[Someone With Mass]

Ryzaki wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

80% of the players used the face customizer. Maybe we could get rid of Sheploo?

YES. Get rid of Sheploo! He needs to go. 

Maybe we should get rid of the Avenger too. And Morinth.

...

Okay, that last one was half-serious, but still.

[Kachie]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

TheMarshal wrote...

80% of the players used the face customizer. Maybe we could get rid of Sheploo?

YES. Get rid of Sheploo! He needs to go. 

Aw, how could you give up his rape face?

http://t0.gstatic.co...YOk0Au6whWA&t=1

Oh gawd not the rape face

[InvaderErl]

jlb524 wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

I just want them to be careful and not turn everyone into a romantic option for everyone simply for the sake of choice.

I didn't like how DA2 approached that and much preferred the way it was handled in DAO. If they can do something like that again I'm perfectly fine with M/M being in the game.

Because everyone getting equal choice is bad, mkay.

Not everyone in the world is bi. It was just one of the things that made everything in DA2 feel completely meaningless.

I'm not talking about not giving s/s players a good set of options here but if you want to ship everyone with everyone else that's what we have fanfiction for.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 09 juillet 2011 - 09:52 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

C9316 wrote...

So this is a discussion about what players are entitled to now? Gee, just like every other s/s thread! Good job everyone!

Some pro s/s feel BW owes it to them because they didn't make character so and so available when they wanted them. Which isn't true BW owes players nothing. BW only owes it to themselves to make the game they wanted.

[C9316]

jlb524 wrote...

C9316 wrote...
Because when someone doesn't get what they think 'should' be in the game they proceed to complain about it here.

I doubt most people expect that certain characters will be made available for s/s...if they did, why would they keep asking for it?  If you believe it's gonna happen, why keep pestering the devs for it? 

Because people seem to believe if they pester enough they'll be able to somehow bend Bioware to their will. Look at the Tali and Garrus romances, imagine if Bioware hadn't made them romanceable there would be a ton of threads like "Why wasn't Tali romanceable in ME1 or ME2?" or "Make Garrus romanceable in ME3" or my personal favorite "If Tali or Garrus aren't romanceable I'm gonna pass on this game." and why did they make tali and garrus romanceable? Because a bunch of people complained, whined, and spewed petty insults. It's the exact same for s/s romances and about every other feature people want in ME3.

Modifié par C9316, 09 juillet 2011 - 09:56 .

[TheMarshal]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Some pro s/s feel BW owes it to them because they didn't make character so and so available when they wanted them. Which isn't true BW owes players nothing. BW only owes it to themselves to make the game they wanted.

Really?  Are you sure it was 'some pro s/s'?  Are you sure it wasn't nobody?

[Volus Warlord]

Kachie wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...


Aw, how could you give up his rape face?

http://t0.gstatic.co...YOk0Au6whWA&t=1

Oh gawd not the rape face

You know you luv the rape face!

[RobsanX]

If a player doesn't want their Shepard to have a homosexual relationship, then they don't have to. What's so difficult about that concept?

Are people against the s/s relationships actually worried about the choices other players living in other cities/countries are making.

"ZOMG! There's some dude in Birmingham that's having his male Shep romance Garrus! The game is ruined!!!"

[jlb524]

InvaderErl wrote...
Not everyone in the world is bi. It was just one of the things that made everything in DA2 feel completely meaningless.

Not everyone in the world is straight.  It was just one of the things that made everything in ME2 feel completely meaningless.

*also, not everyone in DA2 was bisexual*

InvaderErl wrote...
I'm not talking about not giving s/s players a good set of options here but if you want to ship everyone with everyone else that's what we have fanfiction for.

I can't take this statement seriously from someone with Tali/Garrus in their sig.

Modifié par jlb524, 09 juillet 2011 - 09:59 .

[jlb524]

C9316 wrote...
Because people seem to believe if they pester enough they'll be able to somehow bend Bioware to their will. Look at the Tali and Garrus romances, imagine if Bioware hadn't made them romanceable there would be a ton of threads like "Why wasn't Tali romanceable in ME1 or ME2?" or "Make Garrus romanceable in ME3" or my personal favorite "If Tali or Garrus isn't romanceable I'm gonna pass on this game." and why did they make tali and garrus romanceable? Because a bunch of people complained, whined, and spewed petty insults. It's the exact same for s/s romances and about every other feature people want in ME3.

Yes, and that's no different from anything else that's asked for or complained about (like, being forced to work for Cerberus in ME2) as you say.

These kind of things will happen on a game forum...we know BW reads these forums for suggestions and feedback.  The DA2 forums tend to be nothing but a complaint fest. Do you want to put a moratorium on fans making requests and criticisms and just have these forums discuss the things that do exist and pat BW on the back for them?

[Bnol]

KawaiiKatie wrote...
Yeah, Bioware finally including same-sex romances is a step in the direction of equality. If you see this as a negative thing, if you can't understand why gay gamers see this as a victory, you're truly narrow-minded.

You take for granted the ability to play a straight hero. You can pick up any game at the store to experience that. But to play a homosexual hero who saves the galaxy? it's going to be awesome. Lesbians got to experience that with ME1 and ME2, and now homosexual males get to experience it, too. This is an amazing thing that Bioware has done for equality.

But you can view that victory as "pandering" or "forced representation" if you're really that bitter and sad.

For me, and I would assume many others, it isn't about having gay and bi characters introduced to ME, but rather it is established ME characters just becoming bi for the third game.  This is a problem both in terms of character continuity and in terms of how romances are developed in ME games.  In ME1 you could easily find yourself in a romance just by being friendly.  Further, the romanceable characters had less to say to the same sex shepard than the opposite sex shepard, because a lot of the dialogue was saved for the romance option.  I personally started a "romance" with all characters just so I could delve into their characters, I don't want to have to start a S/S romance with everyone as well just to learn more about them.  Obviously, that is an overall design problem with relationships in ME, but it is all we have to go off of when judging ME3.

In terms of the argument that we don't know/have enough information to know that they are not bi.  We don't know anything for certain, but we do have evidence of their sexual orientation and can make some basic assumptions.  I am a straight man, but I don't go around telling people I am straight or disproving that I am gay or bi.  Instead I just form romantic and have sexual relations with women. People can fairly accurately assume I am a straight man from those actions.  Further, since the majority of people are straight, most people tend to assume that default unless given evidence otherwise.  If either the ME1 or ME2 romance options were bi then the option or evidence should have presented itself. 

[InvaderErl]

jlb524 wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...
Not everyone in the world is bi. It was just one of the things that made everything in DA2 feel completely meaningless.

Not everyone in the world is straight.  I was just one of the things that made everything in ME2 feel completely meaningless.

*also, not everyone in DA2 was bisexual*

That practically 9/10ths of the team that Hawke assembled in DA2 was bisexual felt forced as hell. To be honest I wish they would even drop the bi in some cases and go all the way with someone outright being homosexual but I'm not in a position to do that.

jlb524 wrote...

I can't take this statement seriously from someone with Tali/Garrus in their sig.

So essentially you don't have a response so you're going to resort to personal attacks. Nice.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 09 juillet 2011 - 10:04 .

[Rockworm503]

Russalka wrote...

I can't get passed your avi....  I'm probably gonna have nightmares.

[Kachie]

All I wish to have.... and hope to have... are blue babies.. with Liara..

[TheMarshal]

Kachie wrote...

All I wish to have.... and hope to have... are blue babies.. with Liara..

*hi5!!*  

[Russalka]

Rockworm503 wrote...

I can't get passed your avi....  I'm probably gonna have nightmares.

RuPaul for President 2012

Modifié par Russalka, 09 juillet 2011 - 10:07 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

IsaacShep wrote...
Hahahahahaha nope, this is perfectly related. If you believe developement time shouldn't be devoted to features that are unpopular, you agree on this in classes case as well Sorry, you've came up with this theory, your problem not mine Unless of course this opinion of yours on unpopular content applies only to gay romances for you

No it isn't related. If only 7% of player use the engineer class that is still a far greater number than those you claim to represent. Plus as I have already explained, the classes are core content. If I agree with my statement about LIs I must agree about classes? What is this, 5th grade logic?

KawaiiKatie wrote...
Again, your inability to see how much of a
step forward it is to allow Shepard to be gay in ME3 proves just how
narrow-minded you are. As David Gaider said:

Yes I am narrow-minded when it comes to dealing with the stupidity of society like we see here. David Gaider's mad ramblings aren't going to convince me otherwise. The DA2 route sucked despite what the S/S crowd thinks. This isn't about "equality" or any of the other buzzwords you like to hide behind. It's something a fraction of overentitled players want and expect, despite it being a poor use of development resources on Bioware's part.

But it seems most of you can't be reasoned with. Volus Warlord summed up exactly what you're saying. Needless to say, i hope Bioware takes the most sensible route and doesn't make any pre-existing characters bisexual.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 09 juillet 2011 - 10:05 .

[jlb524]

InvaderErl wrote...

Everyone that was romancable in DA2 was bisexual and it felt forced as hell. To be honest I wish they would even drop the bi in some cases and go all the way with someone outright being homosexual but I'm not in a position to do that.

I could say everyone being open to every race/class/morality in DA:O was forced as hell.  Because...it was, using that reasoning....which makes the DA:O romances just as 'unrealistic' and full of fail.

InvaderErl wrote...
So essentially you don't have a response so you're going to resort to personal attacks. Nice.

It's not really a personal attack...I was stating the truth.  The presence of 'fanfic' didn't prevent Tali and Garrus fans from asking BW for romances with them in ME2....and why should it?  The presence of 'fanfic' didn't stop them from getting these romances either.  Therefore, I can't take a known Talimancer who says 'stfu and just go write fanfic' seriously...at all.

Modifié par jlb524, 09 juillet 2011 - 10:06 .

[Volus Warlord]

RobsanX wrote...

If a player doesn't want their Shepard to have a homosexual relationship, then they don't have to. What's so difficult about that concept?

Are people against the s/s relationships actually worried about the choices other players living in other cities/countries are making.

"ZOMG! There's some dude in Birmingham that's having his male Shep romance Garrus! The game is ruined!!!"

Haha.. no, sir, it is not that at all.

If I read a review of a game that had S/S romance in it, there is simply no way in hell I would buy that game. I do not and will not financially support that. I don't want to see in games and will not reward games that have content of that nature in them. I wouldn't donate money to a "gay rights" lobby, I won't buy a game that has "gay rights lobby" stamped all over it. Which IMO is what ME3 is gonna end up being. If this goes, I'll have no part in it. Why am I in this forum then? Because I loved ME2 and for a time was looking forward to ME3. But this whole "**** you we're putting in S/S into ME3" crowd has effectively replaced my enthusiasm with contempt. I 've effectively gone from a day 1 buyer to someone who doesn't want to touch it.

But what the hell, I'm just a homophobe!

[shepskisaac]

Bnol wrote...
If either the ME1 or ME2 romance options were bi then the option or evidence should have presented itself.

Kaidan and Ashley would've been available as s/s romance options if it wasn't for the time constraints. Similar way they wanted Tali for LI in ME1 but due to the fact they didn't know how the public would accept it, it was lower on the priority list. But they've implemented what they didn't manage to next chance they had, in ME2. Why can't they do the same with Kaidan and Ashley's s/s romances?

[catabuca]

ReconTeam wrote...
 .. some stuff ...

someone needs a hug

come here ... come on ... *outstretches her arms* ... it'll make it all better

[Rockworm503]

jlb524 wrote...

I can't take anything someone with a Merril sig seriously.... That sounds stupid for some reason.

[bleetman]

Volus Warlord wrote...

But what the hell, I'm just a homophobe!

You know, sometimes, such accusations actually have merit. This is one of those times.

[KawaiiKatie]

ReconTeam wrote...

David Gaider's mad ramblings aren't going to convince me otherwise. The DA2 route sucked despite what the S/S crowd thinks. This isn't about "equality" or any of the other buzzwords you like to hide behind. It's something a fraction of overentitled players want and expect, despite it being a poor use of development resources on Bioware's part.

But it seems most of you can't be reasoned with. Volus Warlord summed up exactly what you're saying. Needless to say, i hope Bioware takes the most sensible route and doesn't make any pre-existing characters bisexual.

Actually, David Gaider sums up what I'm trying to say, and he's a respected author and eloquent speaker. You, though? Your best representative more on the level of George W. Bush. Keepin' gays outta yer game and puttin' food on yer families.